Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-29 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 28 June 2017, fred roller sent:
> a ways back a Microsoft official said (paraphrasing 'cause I can't
> find the reference) that they didn't mind Office, OS and the like
> being loaded illegally.  Eventually the user will have to purchase the
> software as they become more dependent on it.

Drug pusher tactics...

But it's right, the more a person uses the software, the more they paint
themselves into the corner to continue using it.  Best to start off with
something that isn't onerous.

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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread fred roller
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:23 PM, William Oliver 
wrote:

> I'm starting to get a little thing on my screen complaining that my
> copy of Windows isn't "activated."
>

As I mentioned earlier "A non-registered OS will simply not draw updates
and not nerf the system enough to prevent simple work from being
completed."  This is not meant to set up a fully functioning system but
rather give you a place to make conversions for Linux use or simple tasks -
a work around.  It will complain but should not stop you from doing what
you need.  If you need a fully functional system then the investment maybe
warranted.  The few times I have needed a licensed copy around I bought a
refirb system with the WinOS.  Installed Linux without turning on so the
new system never registered then used the license in the virtual machine of
the same machine.
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread William Oliver
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 14:13 -0700, Mike Wright wrote:
> On 06/28/2017 11:28 AM, Doug wrote:
> > 
> > It won't let you download a Windows iso unless you are running
> > Windows,
> > and it sort of looks like it will only let you download the same
> > kind of
> > windows (7,8,10) as you already have. What good is that?
> 
> I don't know where you tried to get it from.  Just downloaded it onto
> an 
> Ubuntu box; no questions asked except languages preferred and 32/64.
> 


I'm starting to get a little thing on my screen complaining that my
copy of Windows isn't "activated."  Everything still runs, though.  It
tells me to go to Settings, where there's a line for activation.  If I
click on it, it complains that I don't have a valid license or product
key, and that I'm at risk for viruses and other security threats.


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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread fred roller
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:47 PM, John Morris  wrote:

> > My understanding was that only an Original Equipment Manufacturer can
> > sell/supply those OEM versions of the OS
>

When I was building the "legal" requirement for OEM was mobo+processor.
That said, a ways back a Microsoft official said (paraphrasing 'cause I
can't find the reference) that they didn't mind Office, OS and the like
being loaded illegally.  Eventually the user will have to purchase the
software as they become more dependent on it.
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 22:18 +0930, Tim wrote:

> My understanding was that only an Original Equipment Manufacturer can
> sell/supply those OEM versions of the OS, and only to go with a
> particular PC (one of those "not to be sold separately" conditions).
> With only a retail package being something that could be sold as
> standalone.

That is the official line.  But NewEgg will openly sell it so I doubt
Microsoft doesn't know and at least quietly approve of the practice.
After all, they sell motherboards, cases, etc. People building up their
own computer ain't going to pay full boxed set retail price for Windows
and NewEgg would like to be the one who sells them their copy of
Windows.  Everybody knows these facts so Microsoft doesn't say anything.
They don't even force them to only sell a copy on the same ticket with a
motherboard.

Microsoft knows their model is busted.  That is why they are still
letting everyone with Win7/8 to upgrade to Win10 for free. That is why
they basically gave away Windows for free on netbooks until they could
quietly kill the whole product category.  The fake copy I bought forced
phone activation but that was just some friction in the gears to
discourage it, they still want to get the activation.  They know their
only hope is moving Windows to an Android model where they give away the
OS and rake off thirty thick and juicy points from all content sales in
the Store.

For work we bought a few from them to run our accounting VMs on.  Just
system builder Windows packs, nothing else on the invoice; no problem.
Not playing with eBay stuff when a BSA audit is possible.  I just wasn't
willing to personally pay as much for a Windows license as the machine
it was going onto was probably worth.  So I rolled the dice and for now
it counts as a win.


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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread Mike Wright

On 06/28/2017 11:28 AM, Doug wrote:


It won't let you download a Windows iso unless you are running Windows,
and it sort of looks like it will only let you download the same kind of
windows (7,8,10) as you already have. What good is that?


I don't know where you tried to get it from.  Just downloaded it onto an 
Ubuntu box; no questions asked except languages preferred and 32/64.

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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 06/28/2017 11:28 AM, Doug wrote:


On 06/27/2017 11:04 PM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 27 June 2017, fred roller sent:

This link will get you the win10 .iso image to burn, should be free of
charge.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

It won't let you download a Windows iso unless you are running Windows,
and it sort of looks like it will only let you download the same kind of
windows (7,8,10) as you already have. What good is that?


That is the Windows 10 download page, so that's all that's available 
there.  But if you follow the prompts, you get a direct download link 
for an ISO file.

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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread Doug


On 06/27/2017 11:04 PM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 27 June 2017, fred roller sent:

This link will get you the win10 .iso image to burn, should be free of
charge.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

It won't let you download a Windows iso unless you are running Windows,
and it sort of looks like it will only let you download the same kind of
windows (7,8,10) as you already have. What good is that?

--doug

Have they changed to a new business model?  Some kind of try before you
buy scheme?

(I really don't want to use Windows, but I'm curious about why there's a
free download.)


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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 28 June 2017, John Morris sent:
> And as for the earlier recomendation to get a Windows license off
> eBay, be very careful.  I tried that for a machine I was repurposing
> as a beater for one of the grandkids.  It never had a Windows COA
> (built to run Linux) so I needed a license so he could dual boot to
> play games. Got a sealed Win7 Pro OEM "system builder" pack for <$40
> from a U.S. seller that looks identical in every way to a known good
> one (bought from NewEgg) but it required phone activation so it
> probably isn't kosher. 

My understanding was that only an Original Equipment Manufacturer can
sell/supply those OEM versions of the OS, and only to go with a
particular PC (one of those "not to be sold separately" conditions).
With only a retail package being something that could be sold as
standalone.

Not that I give a damn, any time I've used Windows, it always gave me so
much grief that I just don't want to have anything to do with using it.
It's the perfect counter-example to:  Look it it this way, it can't
possibly get any worse.

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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-28 Thread vendor

On 2017-06-28 00:04, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 27 June 2017, fred roller sent:

This link will get you the win10 .iso image to burn, should be free of
charge.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO


Have they changed to a new business model?  Some kind of try before you
buy scheme?

(I really don't want to use Windows, but I'm curious about why there's 
a

free download.)



I was surprised, too -- it's running fine in Virtualbox for me.  I did a 
quick search and found a couple of sites that suggest that this is a 
place set up primarily for Windows users who have trouble upgrading and 
have to do a clean install.  Most of the sites I looked at say that a 
product key will *eventually* be required.  See, for instance, 
http://www.redmondpie.com/download-windows-10-pro-iso-file-without-product-key-from-microsoft/. 
  If I go to the Microsoft web site directly and follow the menu options 
to get Windows 10, I get to a page that says it's $110.


I vaguely remember something like that happening to me in the past, 
where I had some piece of Microsoft software that I was using, and then 
about a month in it started demanding a product key.


It may be that Microsoft has simply decided not to enforce this.  I keep 
hearing rumors that they want Windows 10 to be used as widely as 
possible, and are considering making it free.  Who knows...


I guess I'll find out, eventually.

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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2017-06-27 at 13:59 -0400, ven...@billoblog.com wrote:

> Cool!  I just downloaded and installed it.  It installed without a hitch 
> with Virtualbox, though Microsoft insisted I create an account -- which 
> I've never done before.   I didn't know that Win 10 was free from 
> Microsoft.

It will work for a time, then demand you activate.  If you don't it will
go to a degraded mode where some things don't work and eventually limit
how long it runs.  Word around the campfire is a Windows 7/8 license key
of the same type (home/pro) will still activate Win10.

And as for the earlier recomendation to get a Windows license off eBay,
be very careful.  I tried that for a machine I was repurposing as a
beater for one of the grandkids.  It never had a Windows COA (built to
run Linux) so I needed a license so he could dual boot to play games.
Got a sealed Win7 Pro OEM "system builder" pack for <$40 from a U.S.
seller that looks identical in every way to a known good one (bought
from NewEgg) but it required phone activation so it probably isn't
kosher.  eBay has a serious problem with counterfeit merchandise of all
kinds.


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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 27 June 2017, fred roller sent:
> This link will get you the win10 .iso image to burn, should be free of
> charge. 
> 
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO 

Have they changed to a new business model?  Some kind of try before you
buy scheme?

(I really don't want to use Windows, but I'm curious about why there's a
free download.)

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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread vendor

On 2017-06-27 11:02, fred roller wrote:

This link will get you the win10 .iso image to burn, should be free of
charge.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

Virtual software on Fedora is free of charge.  For simple programs you
should not need a stand alone system.  If, however, you do need a full
system then there are plenty of refirbs for cheap.

-- Fred



Cool!  I just downloaded and installed it.  It installed without a hitch 
with Virtualbox, though Microsoft insisted I create an account -- which 
I've never done before.   I didn't know that Win 10 was free from 
Microsoft.


It's funny, I started using Linux back 20 years ago or so.  Back then, 
you always had to have a copy of Windows on your box because there was 
always *something* that wouldn't work or run or whatever.  Over the 
years, I've slowly used Windows less and less, and this last time I 
installed, I didn't bother making my machine dual boot -- I never "have" 
to go to Windows, except for font issues in presentations and such for 
compatibility at meetings.  My brother-in-law was having problems with 
his laptop the other day and asked me to help him.


It was running Windows 10.  I turned it on and could hardly recognize 
it.  I didn't know where anything was.  It took me over two hours of 
reading tutorials and doing searches to make enough sense of things and 
get him going (after all, tasks are tasks no matter what your OS is...) 
.  And even then I still don't know how to do a number of system things 
that I used to be able to do as late as Windows 7.  I told myself I 
really ought to get a book on Windows 10 administration and get on the 
ball, but my eyes just glazed over.  I thought systemd was adding too 
much complexity and too many layers of BS.  It's got nothing on 
Microsoft.  Windows 10 seems pretty opaque to me.


But there it is, sitting in a window.  Thanks for the link.

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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread fred roller
This link will get you the win10 .iso image to burn, should be free of
charge.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

Virtual software on Fedora is free of charge.  For simple programs you
should not need a stand alone system.  If, however, you do need a full
system then there are plenty of refirbs for cheap.

-- Fred
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:02:07 -0400
ven...@billoblog.com wrote:

> Do you know if those OEM $39 
> distros will actually work in Virtualbox?

I bought the cheapest OEM Windows 7 I could find from
a legitimate source (I don't remember how much I paid,
I think it was 50 or 60 bucks). I was able to install it
fine using virt-manager. This was before Windows 10,
so when Windows 10 came around, I upgraded the VM,
which took forever, but worked, so I now have a Windows 10
virtual machine.

I use a read only qcow2 base image with the running
system in a read/write qcow2, so if I ever have any
problems, I can just revert back to the base.

Whenever I happen to feel like killing time, I can boot directly
in the base, apply Windows updates, and make a new more
up-to-date base image.

I use the redhat virtual disk and network drivers and such
to get good performance and cut & paste support, etc (I
swear they move the "official" location to find them every
two or three weeks though, so don't ask me where they are
now :-).

The only thing that doesn't work with qemu is 3D graphics
(there are various rumors of projects to provide it, but
I don't think anything real exists yet). This isn't usually
a problem, but it did prevent me from running the software
for my 3D scanner in a virtual machine because it insisted
on open GL.
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread vendor

On 2017-06-27 08:49, fred roller wrote:

Glad you found your solution.  I will agree with Tom on building a
basic virtual windows machine for these odd non-crossover.  You don't
need to register it as, in your case and a few times I have needed
similar, one can simply fire up the vm and use for a simple purpose.
A non-registered OS will simply not draw updates and not nerf the
system enough to prevent simple work from being completed.  In my
cases, typically was to convert it to something I could use on the
Linux system.  The money is still with the WinMac user but Linux
continues to grow and users like you create demand for a more
universal solution such as PDF or non-platform dependent software.

-- Fred


I went on ebay and looked at win 7 distros for sale.  It seemed to come 
in two flavors, one flavor came with a busted disk drive for about $40 
and another without a busted disk drive for about $100. Both kinds said 
they came with appropriate certificates, etc.  I wasn't sure if both 
could be thrown on a Virtualbox disk.  I use Virtualbox for an old win 
XP distro I have for previewing LibreOffice presentations on PowerPoint 
to make sure fonts are OK. Unfortunately the e-transcript sofware 
requires Win 7 and above.


I've had that virtual disk for years -- I just keep copying it over when 
I install new versions of Fedora or Debian. I'm sure it's not secure, 
but I only use it for about 10 minutes at a time, and not when connected 
to the intenet.  It's been so long since I've used Windows for anything 
other than basic wordprocessing at work, I don't have a clue what will 
and will not install on a virtual disk.  Do you know if those OEM $39 
distros will actually work in Virtualbox?  I really don't want to pay a 
hundred bucks for a distro I use once every two or three years.


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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread fred roller
Glad you found your solution.  I will agree with Tom on building a basic
virtual windows machine for these odd non-crossover.  You don't need to
register it as, in your case and a few times I have needed similar, one can
simply fire up the vm and use for a simple purpose.  A non-registered OS
will simply not draw updates and not nerf the system enough to prevent
simple work from being completed.  In my cases, typically was to convert it
to something I could use on the Linux system.  The money is still with the
WinMac user but Linux continues to grow and users like you create demand
for a more universal solution such as PDF or non-platform dependent
software.

-- Fred
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-27 Thread vendor
Apparently, it's very proprietary.  I've asked around and all the 
lawyers I know say you have to download the e-transcript software, which 
only runs on Mac or Windows.


I ended up calling the lawyer, and they translated into a PDF for me.

Thanks for trying!

billo


On 2017-06-20 16:51, stan wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:13:00 -0400
William Oliver  wrote:


> Summary - probably a text file viewable in any text editor, even
> less.
>
> [snip]

Nope.  Yeah, I saw that site.  It's not readable in vim, kate, more,
less, etc.  Kate complains of unrecogizable encoding.  Gedit
complains of invalid characters.  I was kind of hoping to be able to
look at in Linux, and not move to Windows and Notepad++.


I apologize for besmirching your search skills.  :-)

If Tom's suggestion doesn't work, it is probably in exe format.  If you
can contact whoever sent it to you, you could ask them to send it as a
text file instead of a ptx exe file.  If they created it, they must
have the commercial product that would allow that.

If you can't get it in a text format, then it is probably going to need
that windows tool to read it.  As a long shot you could try unzip on it
to see if the encoding is just a compression step.
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-21 Thread Tim

On 21/6/2017 6:21 am, stan wrote:

If Tom's suggestion doesn't work, it is probably in exe format.


If it is an exe, then the "file" command ought to identify it as one.
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread stan
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:13:00 -0400
William Oliver  wrote:

> > Summary - probably a text file viewable in any text editor, even
> > less.
> > 
> > [snip]  
> 
> Nope.  Yeah, I saw that site.  It's not readable in vim, kate, more,
> less, etc.  Kate complains of unrecogizable encoding.  Gedit
> complains of invalid characters.  I was kind of hoping to be able to
> look at in Linux, and not move to Windows and Notepad++.

I apologize for besmirching your search skills.  :-)

If Tom's suggestion doesn't work, it is probably in exe format.  If you
can contact whoever sent it to you, you could ask them to send it as a
text file instead of a ptx exe file.  If they created it, they must
have the commercial product that would allow that.

If you can't get it in a text format, then it is probably going to need
that windows tool to read it.  As a long shot you could try unzip on it
to see if the encoding is just a compression step.
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:22:05PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >windows viewer. Windows virtual machines are handy for this
> >sort of nonsense (I've never gotten wine to successfully
> >run any windows program :-).
> That may be because wine is mostly intended to run games.

That's certainly not true of Codeweavers, the commercial company which
does about two-thirds of the work on Wine (and puts most of that work
upstream first).

-- 
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:13:00 -0400
William Oliver wrote:

> Nope.  Yeah, I saw that site.  It's not readable in vim, kate, more,
> less, etc.  Kate complains of unrecogizable encoding.  Gedit complains 
> of invalid characters.  I was kind of hoping to be able to look at in
> Linux, and not move to Windows and Notepad++.

If it is just a question of it being something like a Windows
16 bit text file, there is "iconv" for converting between
any number of encoding formats. (Of course since there are
an infinite number of them, guessing which format the source
is in can be hard). Just as one example I use this to convert
text files my TiVo claims are utf-8, but which are really
windows encoded file so they really are utf-8:

iconv -f windows-1252 -t utf-8 < input > output
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread Joe Zeff

On 06/20/2017 12:11 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

Or if it is some proprietary legal doc format, you might need
to install a windows virtual machine so you can run their free
windows viewer. Windows virtual machines are handy for this
sort of nonsense (I've never gotten wine to successfully
run any windows program :-).


That may be because wine is mostly intended to run games.
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread William Oliver
On Tue, 2017-06-20 at 11:10 -0700, stan wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:44:20 -0400
> William Oliver  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry to bother the fedora list, but I'm not sure where to ask.  I
> > have a trial transcript in .ptx format I need to look at.  Does
> > anybody know of any tool in Fedora/Linux that can read these?
> 
> I think you need to sharpen your search-foo.  :-)
> 
> Summary - probably a text file viewable in any text editor, even
> less.
> 
> [snip]

Nope.  Yeah, I saw that site.  It's not readable in vim, kate, more,
less, etc.  Kate complains of unrecogizable encoding.  Gedit complains 
of invalid characters.  I was kind of hoping to be able to look at in
Linux, and not move to Windows and Notepad++.

billo
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:10:59 -0700
stan wrote:

> When in the PTX format, E-Transcript files can be opened with
> E-Transcript Manager or for free, though in read-only mode, with
> E-Transcript Viewer. Since they're probably text-only files, you might
> also find a text editor like Notepad++ useful in reading the PTX file.
> The similar .PTZ E-Transcript Bundle files can be opened with these
> programs too.

Or if it is some proprietary legal doc format, you might need
to install a windows virtual machine so you can run their free
windows viewer. Windows virtual machines are handy for this
sort of nonsense (I've never gotten wine to successfully
run any windows program :-).
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Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread stan
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:44:20 -0400
William Oliver  wrote:

> Sorry to bother the fedora list, but I'm not sure where to ask.  I
> have a trial transcript in .ptx format I need to look at.  Does
> anybody know of any tool in Fedora/Linux that can read these?

I think you need to sharpen your search-foo.  :-)

Summary - probably a text file viewable in any text editor, even less.

From https://www.lifewire.com/ptx-file-2622809

Your PTX file may instead be an E-Transcript file. These files are
often used to store courtroom hearing transcripts, and can be in either
the PTX format or in a self-contained EXE file; the former is normally
used so that the file can be sent over email (EXE files are usually
blocked by email servers).

When in the PTX format, E-Transcript files can be opened with
E-Transcript Manager or for free, though in read-only mode, with
E-Transcript Viewer. Since they're probably text-only files, you might
also find a text editor like Notepad++ useful in reading the PTX file.
The similar .PTZ E-Transcript Bundle files can be opened with these
programs too.
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Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?

2017-06-20 Thread William Oliver

Sorry to bother the fedora list, but I'm not sure where to ask.  I have
a trial transcript in .ptx format I need to look at.  Does anybody know
of any tool in Fedora/Linux that can read these?

Thanks,

billo
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