Re: Password In The Clear

2013-07-19 Thread poma
On 19.07.2013 20:52, Mark LaPierre wrote:
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> Does anyone else question the wisdom of sending out passwords "in the
> clear" in unencrypted email?

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/security.html


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Re: Password In The Clear

2013-07-19 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:52:56PM -0400, Mark LaPierre wrote:
> Does anyone else question the wisdom of sending out passwords "in
> the clear" in unencrypted email?

Wise or not, the sign-up form states that pretty clearly:

> Do not use a valuable password as it will occasionally be emailed back
> to you in cleartext.

It also states that this password isn't very useful to begin with. ;-)
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Re: Password In The Clear

2013-07-19 Thread Joe Zeff

On 07/19/2013 03:15 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

I figured that, since mailman sent my password in the clear, I would
take the opportunity to change my password.  The password in the email
was my old password.


That's what I thought, but it was worth asking, Just In Case.
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Re: Password In The Clear

2013-07-19 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 07/19/2013 03:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 07/19/2013 11:52 AM, Mark LaPierre wrote:




Does anyone else question the wisdom of sending out passwords "in the
clear" in unencrypted email?


I'm not going to check, but I do hope that you didn't sent your real
password to the entire list.


No, I'm not quite that stupid, but I'm trying.

My wife says that I'm really trying.

I figured that, since mailman sent my password in the clear, I would 
take the opportunity to change my password.  The password in the email 
was my old password.


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Password In The Clear

2013-07-19 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 07/18/2013 11:59 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

> SNIP 

You can also visit your membership page at

 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/options/users/marklapier%40aol.com


On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such
as your email address and whether you get digests or not.  As a
reminder, your membership password is

 Fedora13List

If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner
at

 users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org



Does anyone else question the wisdom of sending out passwords "in the 
clear" in unencrypted email?


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Re: Password In The Clear

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:52:56PM -0400, Mark LaPierre wrote:
> Does anyone else question the wisdom of sending out passwords "in
> the clear" in unencrypted email?

This is a known problem with mailman. However, it's actually not as bad as
it sounds -- or rather, it's worse than you think, and mailman is just not
papering over the problem. That's because mailman treats "can see an email
mailman sent" as authentication. It doesn't really matter if there's a
password or a long hash. As long as you can intercept someone's email, you
can control their mailing list subscriptions.

That's why there's a warning about not using a "real" password.

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Re: Password In The Clear

2013-07-19 Thread Joe Zeff

On 07/19/2013 11:52 AM, Mark LaPierre wrote:




Does anyone else question the wisdom of sending out passwords "in the
clear" in unencrypted email?


I'm not going to check, but I do hope that you didn't sent your real 
password to the entire list.

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