Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 15:23 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 12:04 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: On 05/23/2013 12:00 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 14:40 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. Do file a bug report Where should I file it: evolution bugzilla, gnome keyring bugzilla, general KDE bugzilla, general Gnome bugzilla? I know developers frown on filing bug reports in more than one place. (Please excuse the late reply.) Hard to say without you giving details about what your workaround was. In my experience, gnome developers generally use upstream bugzilla almost exclusively fedora kde-sig usually recommends: * if you think it a distro-specific issue, use bugzilla.redhat.com * if you think it an upstream issue, use bugs.kde.org * and if in doubt, try distro/downstream bugzilla first. None of your suggestions seems exactly appropriate. The workaround is simply to autostart seahorse at the beginning of each session, double click on its Login padlock icon, and enter my login password. Having done this, evolution can get the password for the smtp server from the keyring. Under Gnome (as I remember it) the Login keyring is automatically enabled at login time. In the past (before Fedora-18, I think), when I attempted to send the first email of a session a popup box would appear (probably put up by the gnome-keyring system) to request my login password. More recently, this has not happened, so evolution simply hangs if the keyring is not opened manually. Sounds like gnome-keyring-pam not functioning properly, thats the piece that's supposed to auto-unlock your gnome-keyring on login. -- rex See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907156 Try yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update gcr John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/17/2013 09:45 PM, Anthony wrote: One of the things I really like about Ubuntu is the concept behind the software center. Canonical has poorly implemented it but the idea behind it is pretty solid. That got me wondering...why doesn't Fedora have a similar product? Yes, I'm aware of Yum Extender but that's not a 'proper' software store. I mean a full fledged store, complete with backend processing and tracking. Perhaps this is something that would be better for the dev list but I thought I'd float it here before going there just to see the general feel of the community. Thoughts? Thanks, Anthony Papillion There are some very interesting ideas in this thread that are probably worth having a session on at Flock. I've added a workshop proposal to http://flock-lmacken.rhcloud.com/proposals (as a proxy; I'm not necessarily the right person to run that discussion, but maybe to moderate it). If this is an interesting topic to you, please try to make it to Flock! http://www.flocktofedora.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGfX/oACgkQeiVVYja6o6NoAACdEafwsEA6S9eLIV6Py2DibNU0 8woAoIR3uoN37RbIQK3sqUotDkRQrYO3 =Bzf6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 14:40 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. Do file a bug report Where should I file it: evolution bugzilla, gnome keyring bugzilla, general KDE bugzilla, general Gnome bugzilla? I know developers frown on filing bug reports in more than one place. (Please excuse the late reply.) jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
On 05/23/2013 12:00 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 14:40 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. Do file a bug report Where should I file it: evolution bugzilla, gnome keyring bugzilla, general KDE bugzilla, general Gnome bugzilla? I know developers frown on filing bug reports in more than one place. (Please excuse the late reply.) Hard to say without you giving details about what your workaround was. In my experience, gnome developers generally use upstream bugzilla almost exclusively fedora kde-sig usually recommends: * if you think it a distro-specific issue, use bugzilla.redhat.com * if you think it an upstream issue, use bugs.kde.org * and if in doubt, try distro/downstream bugzilla first. -- rex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 12:04 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: On 05/23/2013 12:00 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 14:40 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. Do file a bug report Where should I file it: evolution bugzilla, gnome keyring bugzilla, general KDE bugzilla, general Gnome bugzilla? I know developers frown on filing bug reports in more than one place. (Please excuse the late reply.) Hard to say without you giving details about what your workaround was. In my experience, gnome developers generally use upstream bugzilla almost exclusively fedora kde-sig usually recommends: * if you think it a distro-specific issue, use bugzilla.redhat.com * if you think it an upstream issue, use bugs.kde.org * and if in doubt, try distro/downstream bugzilla first. None of your suggestions seems exactly appropriate. The workaround is simply to autostart seahorse at the beginning of each session, double click on its Login padlock icon, and enter my login password. Having done this, evolution can get the password for the smtp server from the keyring. Under Gnome (as I remember it) the Login keyring is automatically enabled at login time. In the past (before Fedora-18, I think), when I attempted to send the first email of a session a popup box would appear (probably put up by the gnome-keyring system) to request my login password. More recently, this has not happened, so evolution simply hangs if the keyring is not opened manually. jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
HI On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: None of your suggestions seems exactly appropriate. He did say, when in doubt file it in distro bugzilla and that's what you should do here. File it against KDE in Red Hat bugzilla and it can be reassigned if necessary to the right component later on. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 12:04 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: On 05/23/2013 12:00 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 14:40 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. Do file a bug report Where should I file it: evolution bugzilla, gnome keyring bugzilla, general KDE bugzilla, general Gnome bugzilla? I know developers frown on filing bug reports in more than one place. (Please excuse the late reply.) Hard to say without you giving details about what your workaround was. In my experience, gnome developers generally use upstream bugzilla almost exclusively fedora kde-sig usually recommends: * if you think it a distro-specific issue, use bugzilla.redhat.com * if you think it an upstream issue, use bugs.kde.org * and if in doubt, try distro/downstream bugzilla first. None of your suggestions seems exactly appropriate. The workaround is simply to autostart seahorse at the beginning of each session, double click on its Login padlock icon, and enter my login password. Having done this, evolution can get the password for the smtp server from the keyring. Under Gnome (as I remember it) the Login keyring is automatically enabled at login time. In the past (before Fedora-18, I think), when I attempted to send the first email of a session a popup box would appear (probably put up by the gnome-keyring system) to request my login password. More recently, this has not happened, so evolution simply hangs if the keyring is not opened manually. Sounds like gnome-keyring-pam not functioning properly, thats the piece that's supposed to auto-unlock your gnome-keyring on login. -- rex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
Hi On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.netwrote: On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. Do file a bug report Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora? [ somewhat OT ]
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 18:58 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. If only. I recently spent about a day figuring out why evolution wouldn't send emails on a KDE desktop. The reason is a disagreement between evolution, gnome-keyring, and the KDE infrastructure. I have a workaround but no fix. please do share (either your workaround here), or (preferred) a bug report, as already suggested by others. This really should all just work. (gnome-kerying applications generally do just work on kde in my experience, anything else is a bug... somewhere) -- rex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. Agreed, though I'd argue the foreign part is minimal or negligble. kde (with oxygen-gtk style) works hard to provide good integration for gtk applications. -- rex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
On 18 May 2013 06:12, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: KDE's apper supports AppStream already, so KDE will have similar functionality once the extra metadata is available in Fedora. IF. I gave up trying to get the Fedora infrastructure to provide AppStream metadata a couple of years ago. Richard. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
On 18/05/13 07:52, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: I assume this is only going to benefit gnome user, What about the rest of fedora community? Why would you assume that? You are free to run it any desktop environment you want. Isnt part of gnome development? -- Erik Concordia parvæ res crescunt discordia maximæ dilabuntur -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
Hi On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: Isnt part of gnome development? Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application in terms of dependencies and can be run in any other desktop environment and vice versa. The only things tied to a specific DE are things that extend the DE itself in some way (GNOME Shell extensions, Plasma applets etc) Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
On 18/05/13 19:58, Richard Hughes wrote: On 18 May 2013 18:27, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Any GNOME application is pretty much the same as any GTK application Agreed. gnome-software just requires gtk3-devel at the moment so it'll work fine in LXDE/XFCE and will work fine in KDE if looking a little foreign. Thanks. -- Erik Concordia parvæ res crescunt discordia maximæ dilabuntur -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
On Fri, 17 May 2013 20:45:24 -0500 Anthony wrote: One of the things I really like about Ubuntu is the concept behind the software center. Canonical has poorly implemented it but the idea behind it is pretty solid. One of the things I find unacceptably stoopid about Ubuntu is the software center :-). It is so bad in the latest 13.04 that ubuntu has essentially become unusable. I wanted to install the ssh server in an ubuntu virtual machine at work. Typing ssh in the search field gives me books about ssh from amazon, a few GUI tools that presumably use ssh somehow (though it certainly didn't seem relevant from the information provided), but no choice to install the dadgum ssh server on the system. I wouldn't mention ubuntu as even a bad example of a potentially good idea :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
Hi On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Anthony wrote: One of the things I really like about Ubuntu is the concept behind the software center. Canonical has poorly implemented it but the idea behind it is pretty solid. That got me wondering...why doesn't Fedora have a similar product? Richard Hughes from Red Hat has started working on a app center http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-is-ready-to-unleash-the-beast-an-app-center/ http://worldofgnome.org/richard-hughes-about-gnome-software/ It might use the tagging info from Fedora tagger https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger/ etc and aims to provide a distribution neutral interface using the PackageKit API (not the user interface). I haven't checked the current status of it but it should be release soon. PackageKit -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
On 18/05/13 05:46, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Anthony wrote: One of the things I really like about Ubuntu is the concept behind the software center. Canonical has poorly implemented it but the idea behind it is pretty solid. That got me wondering...why doesn't Fedora have a similar product? Richard Hughes from Red Hat has started working on a app center http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-is-ready-to-unleash-the-beast-an-app-center/ http://worldofgnome.org/richard-hughes-about-gnome-software/ It might use the tagging info from Fedora tagger https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger/ etc and aims to provide a distribution neutral interface using the PackageKit API (not the user interface). I haven't checked the current status of it but it should be release soon. I assume this is only going to benefit gnome user, What about the rest of fedora community? -- Erik Concordia parvæ res crescunt discordia maximæ dilabuntur -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote: I assume this is only going to benefit gnome user, What about the rest of fedora community? KDE's apper supports AppStream already, so KDE will have similar functionality once the extra metadata is available in Fedora. It would be up to Xfce and LXDE to implement their own software center if they want one; it isn't really the GNOME devs' fault if they don't. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: A Software Center for Fedora?
Hi On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: I assume this is only going to benefit gnome user, What about the rest of fedora community? Why would you assume that? You are free to run it any desktop environment you want. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
