Re: Dual Boot System
Does any one have experience with a common /boot for a dual OS system?
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Robin Laing wrote:
> On 2014-04-17 01:31, Javier Perez wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur
>> That is exactly the scenario that I want to avoid by having separate /home
>> and soft-linking the Data partition.
>>
>> I wonder should I set /var on the HDD to save wear and tear on the SSD?
>>
>> JP
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Arthur Dent > >wrote:
>>
>
>
> I ran a shared home and ran into issues with configuration files between
> the different versions of OS and applications. Since most are in a .{app}
> file within the /home/{user} directory.
>
> Since then, I have a /home/{user}/Data directory. I even shared the Data
> directory within Windows using the ext windows addon. This meant that all
> files were shared.
>
> Now this was a system with minimal users so it was easy.
>
> It takes a bit of work on a new install but it is quite easy to maintain.
>
> Robin
>
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Re: Dual Boot System
On 2014-04-17 01:31, Javier Perez wrote:
Hi Arthur
That is exactly the scenario that I want to avoid by having separate /home
and soft-linking the Data partition.
I wonder should I set /var on the HDD to save wear and tear on the SSD?
JP
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Arthur Dent wrote:
I ran a shared home and ran into issues with configuration files between
the different versions of OS and applications. Since most are in a
.{app} file within the /home/{user} directory.
Since then, I have a /home/{user}/Data directory. I even shared the
Data directory within Windows using the ext windows addon. This meant
that all files were shared.
Now this was a system with minimal users so it was easy.
It takes a bit of work on a new install but it is quite easy to maintain.
Robin
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Re: Dual Boot System
Hi Arthur That is exactly the scenario that I want to avoid by having separate /home and soft-linking the Data partition. I wonder should I set /var on the HDD to save wear and tear on the SSD? JP On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Arthur Dent wrote: > On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 00:43 -0500, Javier Perez wrote: > > My Idea is to have sda=SSD, sdb=HDD > > > > > > /dev/sda1 = /boot, about 1G > > > > /dev/sda2 = / Ubuntu 50G aprox > > > > /dev/sda3 = / Fedora 50G aprox > > > > /dev/sda4 = swap * (I know i know, let's forget about extended/logical > > for the moment) > > > > /dev/sdb1= /MyData (to be available under both OS > > > > > > Then for both Ubuntu and Fedora, mount /home/myusername/MyData > > > > > > I worry about having /home as a separate disk and mounting it at boot > > time because I do not know if both Ubuntu and Fedora will always have > > the same version of KDE or GNOME or give the same meaning to the > > variables inside the hidden directories. Seems to me it could create > > the kind of bugs that would be pernicious and very difficult to > > troubleshoot. > > > > > > Is having a common /boot a good idea? > > I can't speak for having a common /boot, but I can (speaking personally) > advise against having a common /home. I fell foul of this a few years > ago. Back then Fedora and Ubuntu had a different user numbering schema > (Fedora assigned the first user as no. 500 whereas Ubuntu had 1000. Now, > I think, these at least are common, but even having chown'ed all my > files and set up each system to have a common user numbering schema I > still ran into problems. As you rightly point out the different > configurations of Gnome kept fighting and changing the settings. It may > be different now - I don't know and I'm certainly not going to > experiment... > > What I think I would do (and I stress I am no expert) is to have a > smallish /home in each disto and have a large "data" partition to which > both distros have access and use soft links to access the files therein. > (Again - just double-check that you are using the same user number in > both distros). > > Hopefully someone who knows better than me will chime in with some > proper advice later... > > HTH > > Mark > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- -- /\_/\ |O O| pepeb...@gmail.com Javier Perez While the night runs toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual Boot System
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 00:43 -0500, Javier Perez wrote: > My Idea is to have sda=SSD, sdb=HDD > > > /dev/sda1 = /boot, about 1G > > /dev/sda2 = / Ubuntu 50G aprox > > /dev/sda3 = / Fedora 50G aprox > > /dev/sda4 = swap * (I know i know, let's forget about extended/logical > for the moment) > > /dev/sdb1= /MyData (to be available under both OS > > > Then for both Ubuntu and Fedora, mount /home/myusername/MyData > > > I worry about having /home as a separate disk and mounting it at boot > time because I do not know if both Ubuntu and Fedora will always have > the same version of KDE or GNOME or give the same meaning to the > variables inside the hidden directories. Seems to me it could create > the kind of bugs that would be pernicious and very difficult to > troubleshoot. > > > Is having a common /boot a good idea? I can't speak for having a common /boot, but I can (speaking personally) advise against having a common /home. I fell foul of this a few years ago. Back then Fedora and Ubuntu had a different user numbering schema (Fedora assigned the first user as no. 500 whereas Ubuntu had 1000. Now, I think, these at least are common, but even having chown'ed all my files and set up each system to have a common user numbering schema I still ran into problems. As you rightly point out the different configurations of Gnome kept fighting and changing the settings. It may be different now - I don't know and I'm certainly not going to experiment... What I think I would do (and I stress I am no expert) is to have a smallish /home in each disto and have a large "data" partition to which both distros have access and use soft links to access the files therein. (Again - just double-check that you are using the same user number in both distros). Hopefully someone who knows better than me will chime in with some proper advice later... HTH Mark -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual Boot System
On 4/16/2014 10:46 PM, Javier Perez wrote: It is not a bad idea per se. The thing is that the reason I installed Ubuntu is because at some time (I think it was Fedora 16 or 17, don't remember now) Fedora could not set the right resolution for my display, 1920x1080, but Ubuntu indeed could do it without problem. Virtualizing it would defeat the purpose of having it work as an alternate OS in case of problems with Fedora. install Ubuntu as the host may help.? I think it would be easier to manage them as guest and host setup. have fun...:-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual Boot System
Hi again: Well your scheme is not bad. 50 GB for each OS is a lot, even if you don't store a lot of information in logs for run a server or something like that. I never use to install the \boot in a separate partition. I install the root (\) of each one inside it's own partition and the GRUB do the rest. About the swap it is not bad, is useful for can hibernate the PC (in portable pcs is very useful to do that). But also for manage very big files such as videos, or raw photographies with very high resolution. In the sdb I'll merge the \home for both systems. I was working with more than one GUI such as gnome, openbox, lxde, xfce and I never had troubles or bugs with that, but sincerely I never tried with KDE, I don't like it. Regards -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual Boot System
It is not a bad idea per se. The thing is that the reason I installed Ubuntu is because at some time (I think it was Fedora 16 or 17, don't remember now) Fedora could not set the right resolution for my display, 1920x1080, but Ubuntu indeed could do it without problem. Virtualizing it would defeat the purpose of having it work as an alternate OS in case of problems with Fedora. JP On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Edward M wrote: > On 4/16/2014 8:49 PM, Javier Perez wrote: > >> Hi >> I need some advice here regarding partitioning my home system. >> >> My home system is a triple boot system: Windows 2K, Fedora 20 and Ubuntu >> 12.04 LTS >> I have three disks, one devoted to each operating system. >> The first disk has two partitions, one for the OS (win2k), the rest for >> data to be shared while on the other OSs including my personal directory >> The second disk has like 4 partitions (Fedora /, /boot, /home, /swap) >> The third disk has only three partitions (Ubuntu /, /boot, /swap) >> >> My plan is to get one SSD to keep the OS (both Fedora and Ubuntu). >> Instead of keeping Win2k on a drive that I rarely use (just for some >> games), I plan to virtualize the disk under VirtualBox. >> >> Given that both Fedora 20 and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS use grub2, my idea for >> partitioning is >> 1. One largish /boot partition, about 1 GB, to hold both the Fedora and >> Ubuntu boot images. >> 2. Separate / partitions, one for Fedora, the other for Ubuntu, about 25 >> to 30G each >> 3. Keep a /home subdirectory on each of the partitions on (2), but link a >> "My Data" subdirectory to the filesystem under /home/myusername/ through >> fstab. "My Data" would come from another HDD (like 1 TB aprox). The idea is >> to keep the /home/myusername subdirectories apart and not let them mix >> because Fedora and Ubuntu save diferent data on the home directories, then >> have a subdirectory with my real data common to both systems. >> >> Is this setup workable? Is there a better solution? I'd rather not have >> to buy two SSDs >> because the OS take just about 50G and I still have a lot of free space >> in that partition >> >> >How about continue using your existing HDDs and install Fedora as > the host OS and then install Ubuntu and windows >as guests in VirtualBox? mostly a thought...:-) > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- -- /\_/\ |O O| pepeb...@gmail.com Javier Perez While the night runs toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual Boot System
My Idea is to have sda=SSD, sdb=HDD /dev/sda1 = /boot, about 1G /dev/sda2 = / Ubuntu 50G aprox /dev/sda3 = / Fedora 50G aprox /dev/sda4 = swap * (I know i know, let's forget about extended/logical for the moment) /dev/sdb1= /MyData (to be available under both OS Then for both Ubuntu and Fedora, mount /home/myusername/MyData I worry about having /home as a separate disk and mounting it at boot time because I do not know if both Ubuntu and Fedora will always have the same version of KDE or GNOME or give the same meaning to the variables inside the hidden directories. Seems to me it could create the kind of bugs that would be pernicious and very difficult to troubleshoot. Is having a common /boot a good idea? JP On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus < arad...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello: > > Well I have few experience with dual systems, and I don't understand your > idea. You can have a SSD Hard Disk wherein you install one or more OS. You > don't need to have a lot of physical hard disk for that. In fact in only > one you can get two OS doing the right partions in a common hard disk that > still uses the MBR. > > You can add an SSD HD and inside install both: Fedora and Ubuntu. You can > create two primary partitions for that. The size of each one depends of the > amount of software you'll need to install and use. I install and proof a > lot of software in Ubuntu, so 20 GB are enough for me. If I don't need so > much, 10 GB is ok. For upgrade easily I use to install the \home in an > independent partition, that partition is huge because the most of all the > information will be stored inside it. > > My suggestion is to install the OS in the SSD one an the home and other > stuff inside another HDD. You can share the \home and the swap between > diferent gnu/linux distros. > > Good luck > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > > -- -- /\_/\ |O O| pepeb...@gmail.com Javier Perez While the night runs toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual Boot System
On 4/16/2014 8:49 PM, Javier Perez wrote: Hi I need some advice here regarding partitioning my home system. My home system is a triple boot system: Windows 2K, Fedora 20 and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS I have three disks, one devoted to each operating system. The first disk has two partitions, one for the OS (win2k), the rest for data to be shared while on the other OSs including my personal directory The second disk has like 4 partitions (Fedora /, /boot, /home, /swap) The third disk has only three partitions (Ubuntu /, /boot, /swap) My plan is to get one SSD to keep the OS (both Fedora and Ubuntu). Instead of keeping Win2k on a drive that I rarely use (just for some games), I plan to virtualize the disk under VirtualBox. Given that both Fedora 20 and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS use grub2, my idea for partitioning is 1. One largish /boot partition, about 1 GB, to hold both the Fedora and Ubuntu boot images. 2. Separate / partitions, one for Fedora, the other for Ubuntu, about 25 to 30G each 3. Keep a /home subdirectory on each of the partitions on (2), but link a "My Data" subdirectory to the filesystem under /home/myusername/ through fstab. "My Data" would come from another HDD (like 1 TB aprox). The idea is to keep the /home/myusername subdirectories apart and not let them mix because Fedora and Ubuntu save diferent data on the home directories, then have a subdirectory with my real data common to both systems. Is this setup workable? Is there a better solution? I'd rather not have to buy two SSDs because the OS take just about 50G and I still have a lot of free space in that partition How about continue using your existing HDDs and install Fedora as the host OS and then install Ubuntu and windows as guests in VirtualBox? mostly a thought...:-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual Boot System
Hello: Well I have few experience with dual systems, and I don't understand your idea. You can have a SSD Hard Disk wherein you install one or more OS. You don't need to have a lot of physical hard disk for that. In fact in only one you can get two OS doing the right partions in a common hard disk that still uses the MBR. You can add an SSD HD and inside install both: Fedora and Ubuntu. You can create two primary partitions for that. The size of each one depends of the amount of software you'll need to install and use. I install and proof a lot of software in Ubuntu, so 20 GB are enough for me. If I don't need so much, 10 GB is ok. For upgrade easily I use to install the \home in an independent partition, that partition is huge because the most of all the information will be stored inside it. My suggestion is to install the OS in the SSD one an the home and other stuff inside another HDD. You can share the \home and the swap between diferent gnu/linux distros. Good luck -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
