Re: [Fwd: Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news]-addendum
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 15:37 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Forwarded Message > From: Aaron Konstam > To: Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news > Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:21:41 -0500 > > On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 08:32 -0700, Craig White wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > > > > > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > > > > > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > > > > > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > > > > > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of > > > > > root from home. > > > > > > > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > > > > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. > > > > > > No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate LVM > > > partitions for /root and > > > /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed > > > miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was > > > frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to > > > have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that > > > done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop > > > which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning > > > application confusing. > > > > /home and /root are not connected to each other and could only become > > part of the same partition if the / filesystem were part of the > > partition as that is the connection between them. Of course > > putting /, /root and /home in the same LVM partition is actually the > > default so what you are trying to do is nonsensical. But since you > > admitted that what you are trying to do doesn't make any sense it seems > > there is really no reason to complain that what your are trying to do > > won't work. > > > > Craig > But your conclusion that / is in the same partition as /root and /home > does not correspond to what one sees in Figure 7.27 in the Installation > Guide (see my other post) so your assertion makes no sense either. > > I should point out the fallacy with your analysis. If /, /root and /home are > in the same partition > then the size of the partition would be larger than the sum of the size of > /root and /home. But they are exactly the same. I completely don't understand what you are saying or what point you are trying to make. I'm sorry that I got involved - I'll let it go. Good luck. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 13:33 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 15:21 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 08:32 -0700, Craig White wrote: > > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > > > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > > > > > > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > > > > > > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > > > > > > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > > > > > > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation > > > > > > of > > > > > > root from home. > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > > > > > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. > > > > > > > > No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate > > > > LVM partitions for /root and > > > > /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed > > > > miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was > > > > frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to > > > > have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that > > > > done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop > > > > which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning > > > > application confusing. > > > > > > /home and /root are not connected to each other and could only become > > > part of the same partition if the / filesystem were part of the > > > partition as that is the connection between them. Of course > > > putting /, /root and /home in the same LVM partition is actually the > > > default so what you are trying to do is nonsensical. But since you > > > admitted that what you are trying to do doesn't make any sense it seems > > > there is really no reason to complain that what your are trying to do > > > won't work. > > > > > > Craig > > But your conclusion that / is in the same partition as /root and /home > > does not correspond to what one sees in Figure 7.27 in the Installation > > Guide (see my other post) so your assertion makes no sense either. > > give me a link to the figure you are referring to > > Craig Google for F13 Installation gide and look at Figure 7.27. (In section 7.20). You will see if / is in the partition that it is displayed on the screen. And the size of the partition would be greater than the sum of the sizes of /root and /home. It is not in my display, so / is not part of the partition. -- === Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of good news soon. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
[Fwd: Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news]-addendum
Forwarded Message From: Aaron Konstam To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:21:41 -0500 On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 08:32 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > > > > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > > > > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > > > > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > > > > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of > > > > root from home. > > > > > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > > > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. > > > > No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate LVM > > partitions for /root and > > /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed > > miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was > > frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to > > have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that > > done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop > > which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning > > application confusing. > > /home and /root are not connected to each other and could only become > part of the same partition if the / filesystem were part of the > partition as that is the connection between them. Of course > putting /, /root and /home in the same LVM partition is actually the > default so what you are trying to do is nonsensical. But since you > admitted that what you are trying to do doesn't make any sense it seems > there is really no reason to complain that what your are trying to do > won't work. > > Craig But your conclusion that / is in the same partition as /root and /home does not correspond to what one sees in Figure 7.27 in the Installation Guide (see my other post) so your assertion makes no sense either. I should point out the fallacy with your analysis. If /, /root and /home are in the same partition then the size of the partition would be larger than the sum of the size of /root and /home. But they are exactly the same. -- === "Looks clean and obviously correct to me, but then _everything_ I write always looks obviously correct yo me." - Linus === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 15:21 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 08:32 -0700, Craig White wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > > > > > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > > > > > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > > > > > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > > > > > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of > > > > > root from home. > > > > > > > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > > > > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. > > > > > > No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate LVM > > > partitions for /root and > > > /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed > > > miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was > > > frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to > > > have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that > > > done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop > > > which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning > > > application confusing. > > > > /home and /root are not connected to each other and could only become > > part of the same partition if the / filesystem were part of the > > partition as that is the connection between them. Of course > > putting /, /root and /home in the same LVM partition is actually the > > default so what you are trying to do is nonsensical. But since you > > admitted that what you are trying to do doesn't make any sense it seems > > there is really no reason to complain that what your are trying to do > > won't work. > > > > Craig > But your conclusion that / is in the same partition as /root and /home > does not correspond to what one sees in Figure 7.27 in the Installation > Guide (see my other post) so your assertion makes no sense either. give me a link to the figure you are referring to Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 08:32 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > > > > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > > > > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > > > > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > > > > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of > > > > root from home. > > > > > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > > > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. > > > > No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate LVM > > partitions for /root and > > /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed > > miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was > > frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to > > have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that > > done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop > > which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning > > application confusing. > > /home and /root are not connected to each other and could only become > part of the same partition if the / filesystem were part of the > partition as that is the connection between them. Of course > putting /, /root and /home in the same LVM partition is actually the > default so what you are trying to do is nonsensical. But since you > admitted that what you are trying to do doesn't make any sense it seems > there is really no reason to complain that what your are trying to do > won't work. > > Craig But your conclusion that / is in the same partition as /root and /home does not correspond to what one sees in Figure 7.27 in the Installation Guide (see my other post) so your assertion makes no sense either. -- === Jesus is my POSTMASTER GENERAL ... === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 08:21 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 13:37 +0930, Tim wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:56 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > > > I think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but > > > although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty > > > confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. > > > > I've never found it so. Create or pick your partition you're going to > > manipulate, play with the other options showing in the window, including > > the drop down list of mount points to be associated with it (somewhere > > at the top right of the screen, if I remember correctly). As I recall, > > you can even type in additional mount point names. > > > > I'd be surprised if there wasn't a walk-through of the steps in the > > install guide pages. > I guess you will have to be ready to be surprised. Well, it turns out the process is better explained in the Installation Guide than in the Quick Installation Guide but ass you can see from my other post clarity has not been complete. -- === One picture is worth more than ten thousand words. -- Chinese proverb === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > > > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > > > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > > > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > > > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of > > > root from home. > > > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. > > No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate LVM > partitions for /root and > /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed > miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was > frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to > have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that > done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop > which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning > application confusing. /home and /root are not connected to each other and could only become part of the same partition if the / filesystem were part of the partition as that is the connection between them. Of course putting /, /root and /home in the same LVM partition is actually the default so what you are trying to do is nonsensical. But since you admitted that what you are trying to do doesn't make any sense it seems there is really no reason to complain that what your are trying to do won't work. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sun, 2010-06-06 at 13:37 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:56 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > I think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but > > although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty > > confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. > > I've never found it so. Create or pick your partition you're going to > manipulate, play with the other options showing in the window, including > the drop down list of mount points to be associated with it (somewhere > at the top right of the screen, if I remember correctly). As I recall, > you can even type in additional mount point names. > > I'd be surprised if there wasn't a walk-through of the steps in the > install guide pages. I guess you will have to be ready to be surprised. -- === Most people can do without the essentials, but not without the luxuries. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 08:56 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > I think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but > although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty > confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. I've never found it so. Create or pick your partition you're going to manipulate, play with the other options showing in the window, including the drop down list of mount points to be associated with it (somewhere at the top right of the screen, if I remember correctly). As I recall, you can even type in additional mount point names. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a walk-through of the steps in the install guide pages. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On 06/05/2010 09:56 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but > although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty > confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. >> I found the installer partition tool beyond obvious. Its not as powerful as gparted but it is simple, straightforward and everything is clear. To me others I know that used it anyway. That being the case, perhaps you can elucidate what you found confusing so those that can make it better can understand what may need improving ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 11:36 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 18:35 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: > > I believe the OP means "/" which is the "root". > > Only they can answer that, but since they mentioned the separation of > root from home, I do not think so. And I cannot imagine that anyone > could have difficulty separating / from /home using the usual > partitioning tool, it's *very* easy. I think I admitted that what I wanted to do made little sense but although separating / from /home in fdisk it is easy, it is pretty confusing to do in the GUI partitioner in the installer. > > /root, on the other hand, is not a mount point, it's a directory in /, > and that's how it should be. /root needs to be available to the root > user when they log on in all modes, including single, where only the > minimum of partitions are mounted (i.e. most, if not all, of fstab is > ignored). > > -- > [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > -- === In the next world, you're on your own. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 09:19 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of > > root from home. > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. No, the basic disk structure created by the partitioner has separate LVM partitions for /root and /home. I wanted to combine them to a single LVM partition. I failed miserably. It does not make much sense what I wanted to do but I was frustrated that I couldn't do it. What I really wanted to do is to have the partitions other than swap in a single partition. I got that done but I am apprehensive about being able to do it again on my laptop which also has a Windows XP partition. I find the whole GUI partitioning application confusing. -- === Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 18:35 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: > I believe the OP means "/" which is the "root". Only they can answer that, but since they mentioned the separation of root from home, I do not think so. And I cannot imagine that anyone could have difficulty separating / from /home using the usual partitioning tool, it's *very* easy. /root, on the other hand, is not a mount point, it's a directory in /, and that's how it should be. /root needs to be available to the root user when they log on in all modes, including single, where only the minimum of partitions are mounted (i.e. most, if not all, of fstab is ignored). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition >> installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. >> This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish >> from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I >> challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of >> root from home. > > Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be > inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. > I believe the OP means "/" which is the "root". -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - goodnewws and bad news
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:42 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > 2. For more than 15 years I have found that the GUI partition > installer hard to use and in F13 it is even more impossible to use. > This is mainly because the various options are hard to distinguish > from one another. I know someone will say it was easy fo them but I > challenge them in the basic configuration to remove the separation of > root from home. Do you mean the root user space (typically /root)? That shouldn't be inside /home, and that's not a partitioning issue. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
