Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. I really didn't understand if you are mis understanding something? Which new name and which same game? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thursday 22 December 2011 17:28:59 Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > Me ducks for cover > > Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an > albatross. LOL! :-D Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 22/12/11 14:32, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never listened. ;-) Craig And my dad used to say, "If I've told you once, I've told you a million times: don't exaggerate." Sometimes he threw a "dammit" in. You know, I think Roger is another in the long line of those that have proven the axiom "If you don't like the length or absurdness of a thread, don't comment as it will only add to the length and/or increase the absurdness geometrically." :-) 'Aaaand Loving it (Maxwell Smart) Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from > the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to > that device, you're going to get an address from the same block. Not on my ISP. There's two or three distinctly different IP blocks, and you can get any of them. i.e. The first two quads of the IPv4 address are very different. I would say that comes about from them having to obtain more IPs for all their new customers, during these days of less IPs being available. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > Me ducks for cover Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an albatross. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Craig White wrote: >> conversation is my button, applied with gusto. >> Roger > evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of > delete button. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone > company's switch. Now a ways, router are used more often, some boxy type of thing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 07:56 PM, Craig White wrote: it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Maybe, but I'm sure that Sgt. Detritus could manage it, and that Diamond is in a class by himself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 03:11 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, > > > smiling in a diabolic way... // > > > > Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-) > > Nah, that wouldn't be a challenge. :-D The main thing I was trying was to get > *others* to label me as a troll, so that I could obtain my deserved place on > this list alongside with some other Great Trolls, but unfortunately I failed > every time. it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Then there was the troll king, Karl and if his was intentional, well... then he had a tremendous gift. The highest you could ever achieve would be 3rd place all time and it seems obvious that you lack the inner rage to qualify. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 > Craig White wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. >>> couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) >>> >>> couple of hundred = hyperbole >> >> I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they >> never listened. >> >> ;-) >> >> Craig >> >> > And my dad used to say, "If I've told you once, I've told you a > million times: don't exaggerate." Sometimes he threw a "dammit" in. > You know, I think Roger is another in the long line of those that have proven the axiom "If you don't like the length or absurdness of a thread, don't comment as it will only add to the length and/or increase the absurdness geometrically." :-) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in "Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 11:46 AM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never listened. ;-) Craig I (grieviously) fear that wasn't hyperbole, but a quantum fluctuation which permitted Roger to remember the future. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > > > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. > > > > couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) > > > > couple of hundred = hyperbole > > I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they > never listened. > > ;-) > > Craig > > And my dad used to say, "If I've told you once, I've told you a million times: don't exaggerate." Sometimes he threw a "dammit" in. -- cmg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, > > smiling in a diabolic way... // > > Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-) Nah, that wouldn't be a challenge. :-D The main thing I was trying was to get *others* to label me as a troll, so that I could obtain my deserved place on this list alongside with some other Great Trolls, but unfortunately I failed every time. I'm more like a troll wannabe, but never actually making the cut. ;-) What can I do, my trolling skills just aren't good enough for people on this list... They seem to see through my intentions, and refuse to grant me with a genuine troll label, no matter how hard I try to convince them that I deserve it. ;-) But thanks for the thought, it encourages me to keep trying. :-D Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. > > couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) > > couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never listened. ;-) Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in "Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 22/12/11 11:58, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my button, applied with gusto. Roger evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of delete button. Craig Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in > a > diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in "Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:58:08 Antonio Olivares wrote: > > Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux. Wait, is there really any GNU in the Android? I thought that Android was a textbook example of a Linux-based non-GNU OS... ;-) // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // :-> Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: > > > As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." > > > > > The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation > conversation is my button, applied with gusto. > Roger evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of delete button. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 08:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: >> only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, >> which brings down dsl modem. > > I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly > long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew > it. There's a good chance that you'll get another lease on the same IP, > but not always. If the modem goes down briefly, or there's a short loss > of signal, you'll still have the same IP. If you want to be (almost) > sure your IP changes, leave it off for at least fifteen minutes. Why I > qualified that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader. -=- so i have been told. i do not know how long the lease is, but i do know that it is longer than 30 days. i used to have dsl modem power brick plugged in wall outlet. i realized my error a good while back when i lost mains and i was downloading a large file and had about 10 minutes remaining. if i had brick plugged into ups, i could have halted dl and resumed when mains can back up. it was not a torrent. :-( i did correct my error. now, from time to time when i 'pull plugs', i get a new ip and really not concerned how long i hold ip. now, sometimes i pull dsl line just to refresh ip and avoid 'crazies' hacking ip blocks. -+- On 12/21/2011 08:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: >> even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; >> >>(adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) > > Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should > comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone > company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what > it's called. (It's been eight years since I needed to know.) However, > if you think of it as a dumb router that does nothing except DHCP and > passing packets, you'll be close enough. The point is, that device has > a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out. > Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get > an address from the same block. -=- not a problem. first jump is run to a rather large cabinet at side of a street, about 8 blocks away, where it goes from copper to fiber. then connects to a 'central office' about 5 miles away. what is in between me and 'co', i have no idea. [see attached for a tracerute] when i first signed up with aDSL, i did not get speed i am paying for, so i call at&t to have a check run to see what/where problem was. as it turns out, i am at end of a run, approx 3k20 feet of copper. :-( so instead of 138 kbps, i average around 86 kbps. fiber is in my future. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ [geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute redhat.com traceroute to redhat.com (209.132.183.81), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 * home (192.168.1.254) 3.144 ms 4.321 ms 2 adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1) 45.383 ms 55.195 ms 62.922 ms 3 70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41) 74.638 ms 84.621 ms 92.382 ms 4 12.81.52.42 (12.81.52.42) 109.896 ms 117.709 ms 127.206 ms 5 12.81.52.48 (12.81.52.48) 136.988 ms 146.687 ms 156.473 ms 6 12.81.32.130 (12.81.32.130) 166.468 ms 174.450 ms 182.877 ms 7 12.81.32.107 (12.81.32.107) 147.361 ms 147.429 ms 149.462 ms 8 74.175.192.198 (74.175.192.198) 147.560 ms 147.359 ms 149.449 ms 9 cr1.nsvtn.ip.att.net (12.122.148.14) 151.558 ms 153.646 ms 155.813 ms 10 cr2.attga.ip.att.net (12.122.28.105) 155.677 ms 151.678 ms 155.691 ms 11 attga04jt.ip.att.net (12.122.84.149) 147.626 ms 147.593 ms 147.491 ms 12 192.205.37.166 (192.205.37.166) 187.310 ms 177.580 ms 169.962 ms 13 * * * 14 phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146) 194.939 ms phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.142) 192.929 ms phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146) 190.742 ms 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 63-232-247-146.dia.static.qwest.net (63.232.247.146) 109.593 ms !X * * [geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute fedoraproject.com traceroute to fedoraproject.com (209.132.176.120), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 home (192.168.1.254) 1.665 ms 4.706 ms 4.670 ms 2 adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1) 41.403 ms 51.153 ms 60.905 ms 3 70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41) 72.689 ms 82.599 ms 92.309 ms 4 12.
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my button, applied with gusto. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 2011/12/21 10:56, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote:
I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler.
Can this just stop.
Clive
No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him
in anger.
There is also the philosophical question regarding mentioning Stalin,
Caligula, Temujin, or others if their ilk would do the same as the
mention of Hitler.
- That way REAL quickly {O,o}
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 10:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: <> > As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." > > Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this > list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. > Even all of the responses seem nearly the same. Not only that, the > "new" person was also from the same country. -=- thank you for posting that. there is more to 'their' post than just same country, which i will not go into on list. due to some other more important things that are pressing on my mind, i was almost starting to believe that i was about to 'lose it'. then when i looked back thru 'their' post, i started regaining confidence. now reading your post again, i am convinced that i was not wrong. more importantly, i am not 'losing it'. 8-D the "new person" has more repeating than just of their questions. it is interesting that 'they' *think* changing the posting name will change 'them'. what is really sorrowful is that 'they' seems to believe that 'they' have to ask 'their' questions in personae. where in, had 'they' just come forward to start, or even in personae, and listened to suggestions of making up 'their' own minds by using a live cd/dvd, 'they' could have picked 2, 3, 4 or how ever many distribs they want and have had them checked out by now and decided on what to use. but, i guess that would have been too logical and reasonable. 8-D later. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. Thank you, Patrick. I knew it had a simple name, but after eight years of not needing to think about it I'd forgotten. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone > company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what > it's called. It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what it's called. (It's been eight years since I needed to know.) However, if you think of it as a dumb router that does nothing except DHCP and passing packets, you'll be close enough. The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get an address from the same block. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew it. There's a good chance that you'll get another lease on the same IP, but not always. If the modem goes down briefly, or there's a short loss of signal, you'll still have the same IP. If you want to be (almost) sure your IP changes, leave it off for at least fifteen minutes. Why I qualified that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 11:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <> > Your IP address is not necessarily constant. -=- only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) even yahoo mail and gmail 'block' their clients, tho in different ways. > And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, -=- no reason to. i am not trying to hide like some others do. > but we're getting way OT now. -=- as so designated in 'Subject'. 'end of story'. :-) -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 09:19 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. +1 And what if he/she might be using some anonymous web surfing tool like 'TOR'? I was ignoring this since the beginning. But now the truly zombie nature of the thread is starting to mess with my zen thing... Stop polluting the archives. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:40 +, Clive Hills wrote: > I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Gratuitous invocations don't count. > > Can this just stop. > Clive -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Clive Hills wrote: > Can this just stop. What to be stopped? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tim wrote: > Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration. For one thing, > they're a slow medium. So don't be put off trying a proper installation > if the demonstration isn't that good. Oh yes, but I can install from Live CD only and then just update the system after installation, is it fine, I guess. > Yes, it is a good idea to try more than one distro to see which is > better suited for you. But I haven't seen anybody mention the other > important thing: See what technical support you can get for each, and > which you prefer out of that. > e.g. I find this mailing list very good. I haven't thought much of the > Ubuntu forums, back when I was looking at it. > If you can't use the distro all by yourself, and need help, you want it > to be useful to you. Well, important point mentioned. (I guess) all the three have good supporting mailing lists, however, I have not compared. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that SUSE > uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist similar > deals, the public simply never will know about. > b) whom to consider the devil is (mostly) a religous matter. > c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not close > friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least to some > extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore. > There are a lot of answers, I could provide, if I wanted, but I am not > interested in yet another flamewar ;) > Back to OP's original question: > To absolute beginners, from a mere usability POV, I in first place recommend > Ubuntu, then openSUSE, then (with larger gap inbetween) followed by Fedora, > ... Debian on last place. > If "freedom of software" is your "highest aim", then Debian should be your > first choice, followed by Fedora, then a gap, then openSUSE, followed by > Ubuntu on last place. > From a mere technical standpoint, Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE all are on > comparable levels and stages of development. Very well said, I see. Really came to know the Debian has largest pool of software. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:34 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I > really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the > use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to > judge a distro. Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration. For one thing, they're a slow medium. So don't be put off trying a proper installation if the demonstration isn't that good. Yes, it is a good idea to try more than one distro to see which is better suited for you. But I haven't seen anybody mention the other important thing: See what technical support you can get for each, and which you prefer out of that. e.g. I find this mailing list very good. I haven't thought much of the Ubuntu forums, back when I was looking at it. If you can't use the distro all by yourself, and need help, you want it to be useful to you. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
> c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux > definitely are not close friends, Microsoft's attitude > towards Linux has changed at least to some extend. Also, the > real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore. > Yes, indeed times are changing. I hear that Microsoft's attitude towards the "cancer", which was/is linux, now they are contributing to the linux kernel because they were caught using GPL code and now they have to give back :) Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux. For every phone sold with Android, M$ makes money on it and it charges whether the phone has M$ software on it or not. M$ does not lose, it will find a way to win :( Regards, Antonio -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 02:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with
Microsoft...
I really didn't understand this sentence and its
hidden (may be) meaning.
Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not
actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')
Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use
openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
--
This is entirely up to you :) You decide. If you like OpenSUSE, use it.
Exactly.
Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right?
Well,
a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that
SUSE uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist
similar deals, the public simply never will know about.
b) whom to consider the devil is (mostly) a religous matter.
c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not
close friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least
to some extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not
Microsoft, anymore.
If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?
There are a lot of answers, I could provide, if I wanted, but I am not
interested in yet another flamewar ;)
Back to OP's original question:
To absolute beginners, from a mere usability POV, I in first place
recommend Ubuntu, then openSUSE, then (with larger gap inbetween)
followed by Fedora, ... Debian on last place.
If "freedom of software" is your "highest aim", then Debian should be
your first choice, followed by Fedora, then a gap, then openSUSE,
followed by Ubuntu on last place.
From a mere technical standpoint, Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE all are
on comparable levels and stages of development.
Ralf
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > This is entirely up to you :) You decide. If you like OpenSUSE, use it. > Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right? > If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora? This community is > for Fedora users, not OpenSUSE. But you decide which version of linux you > want to use. Well, the download would be complete within 2-3 hours of Fedora and Ubuntu and sure I am seeing the LIVE CDs first of all the three and then install one and start using, hopefully and at first preference: Fedora. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
> >>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with
> Microsoft...
>
> >> I really didn't understand this sentence and its
> hidden (may be) meaning.
>
> > Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
>
> > http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
>
> > necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not
> actual) on its development
> > ('intellectual property concerns')
>
> Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use
> openSUSE because
> of this deal? Thanks.
> --
This is entirely up to you :) You decide. If you like OpenSUSE, use it.
Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right?
If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora? This community is
for Fedora users, not OpenSUSE. But you decide which version of linux you want
to use.
Regards,
Antonio
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) > Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it > you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. +1 And what if he/she might be using some anonymous web surfing tool like 'TOR'? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 06:12 +, g wrote: > On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > <> > > > Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, > -=- > > my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect > that Canadians are Americans living in Canada. just as Mexicans are > Americans living in Mexico. I wasn't asking, just making a point. > i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out > distinction as to what part. Let's not go there. It's a good way to pass the time with a few beers, but never produces any useful result. > my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. Mine is Irish and I have the sunburn to prove it. > > and is only loosely correlated with your location. > -=- > > if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 01:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from Windows XP, I am bored using it, many viruses and also high cost to maintain. Apart from it, I came to know that there are many linux and more specifically distributions. So really speaking, I am a bit confused between them, want to give try to Fedora but a picture of opensuse comes in mind, then some other distribution...While I know that these are fedora mailing list and anyone is going to give directions for only Fedora, but can one honestly tell me the differences between Fedora and opensuse? I came to know from some people that not to try Ubuntu (I don't know why they said so) and said that most of the people in Ubuntu mailing lists are more of dumbs, so I have claimed this question here only but I am really new -- what you guys think the best, please do tell me Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I would be confused more. As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. Even all of the responses seem nearly the same. Not only that, the "new" person was also from the same country. One thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned "New" members to the list are (or should be) encouraged to *check the archives* at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/ to see if a question has come up recently. They can also search the archives. This can save them, and others a whole lot of time rather than going over the same thingespecially things that are very much slanted towards opinion. -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in "Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > All the best, Thanks Paul. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html > It's up to you to draw your conclusions. > Some people consider this "agreement" to be the "dawn of mankind", "SUSE > betraying/threatening the freedoms of Linux" and "SUSE having contracted > with the devils of the 'evil empire'". > To other people (apparently SUSE itself) it's a "valuable feature" and > valuable advantage SUSE Linux has over its competitors. > To most end-users, this contract is not of much practical importance, but is > more a political thing. Yes but I have started the torrent download of -- Fedora and Ubuntu (LTS) for this time, after the completion would definitely start for 11.4 openSUSE too and would see from the LIVE CDs which suit me the most, which I assume either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to judge a distro. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 07:54 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler wrote:
Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft...
I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning.
Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')
Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
It's up to you to draw your conclusions.
Some people consider this "agreement" to be the "dawn of mankind", "SUSE
betraying/threatening the freedoms of Linux" and "SUSE having contracted
with the devils of the 'evil empire'".
To other people (apparently SUSE itself) it's a "valuable feature" and
valuable advantage SUSE Linux has over its competitors.
To most end-users, this contract is not of much practical importance,
but is more a political thing.
Ralf
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 11:07 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I also wish people would use turn signals when driving and have adjusted to the reality that I am wishing on a star .. and all I care about is not having an accident. Your wish is nice and I really didn't know that off topics run here too, but more of the interest, I got the suggestions. At least more than 50% of the answers (hope I am true) were related with the query ! Thick skin helps at times ... All the best, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your > questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just do > it rather than try to figure out what is best from a distance. Okay sure, I guess I start the torrent download, and thanks again for the suggestions. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
I guess I have to just pick one at random whether it is Fedora, or openSUSE or Ubuntu. Thanks. Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just do it rather than try to figure out what is best from a distance. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without > declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a > one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I also wish > people would use turn signals when driving and have adjusted to the reality > that I am wishing on a star .. and all I care about is not having an > accident. Your wish is nice and I really didn't know that off topics run here too, but more of the interest, I got the suggestions. At least more than 50% of the answers (hope I am true) were related with the query ! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another > look at what you should be using. http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html Seeing this, my heart is tilted more towards other distros. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 10:58 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g wrote: i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out distinction as to what part. my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Americans, this is not the right place, I assume you are a bit more confused with you life, so putting any frustration here itself. Further you are impersonating me to someone else, I don't know what is your intention but I asked the question here to get some good answers like many persons here have suggested, but you seem more to be a troll who is interested in other topics, and starting a debate which serves no purpose to the mailing lists of Fedora, so I hope you please ... Further, please guys, if I am wrong, let me know! Thanks. And God Bless Ram. Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I also wish people would use turn signals when driving and have adjusted to the reality that I am wishing on a star .. and all I care about is not having an accident. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Until you are familiar enough with any version of Linux, this "issue" is > academic as you can't determine whether it applies to you or not. > You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another > look at what you should be using. Choice of os is best based on experience > rather than theory / advice. Correct, and thanks for this suggestion, reading the whole of the list, I guess I just pick one at random, use it for at least 6 months and then give a try to some other one. You are right that people here have different experiences so they tell accordingly, I guess I have to just pick one at random whether it is Fedora, or openSUSE or Ubuntu. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 10:54 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')
Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
Until you are familiar enough with any version of Linux, this "issue" is
academic as you can't determine whether it applies to you or not.
You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take
another look at what you should be using. Choice of os is best based on
experience rather than theory / advice.
Hope it goes well,
Paul
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g wrote: > i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out > distinction as to what part. > my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Americans, this is not the right place, I assume you are a bit more confused with you life, so putting any frustration here itself. Further you are impersonating me to someone else, I don't know what is your intention but I asked the question here to get some good answers like many persons here have suggested, but you seem more to be a troll who is interested in other topics, and starting a debate which serves no purpose to the mailing lists of Fedora, so I hope you please ... Further, please guys, if I am wrong, let me know! Thanks. And God Bless Ram. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler wrote:
>>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft...
>> I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning.
> Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
> http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
> necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
> ('intellectual property concerns')
Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > If you want to learn linux, then go and get Slackware! > If you want hand holding and flash + codecs get Mint based on Ubuntu, If you > want 2 learn Fedora then stay and use it. If you want to use OpenSUSE you > can do it too. > If you just want to get a feel for either system get a livecd and run it from > each system. Then try to decide for yourself which systems works better for > you. OpenSUSE slept with the devil in the M$ deal, but it is a good system > and if that does not bother you? You can also go for Arch Linux, Gentoo > Linux or other source based distro in which you really get to learn linux and > not let the distro creators what they want* and you get to decide what you > want*! > Fedora is an excellent system but you have to try it on your own and get to > like it. Well, thanks for the suggestions, I really would have to see the Live CDs. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Craig White wrote: >> fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. > possibly - but just out of curiosity, do you have any installed from or > have enabled rpmfusion-nonfree repo? >> suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. > I think he asked about openSuSE which is a bit different and to be > honest, I have never used openSuSE and it's been years since I used SuSE > but saying that Ubuntu is for simple oos minded users is a > characterization that I just don't agree with. It's just a different > Linux distribution and seems reasonably easy to work with - like any > Fedora/Red Hat derived system. >> in other words, if you have to keep asking about the two and do not >> realize differance yet, go with suse/ubuntu or stay with oos. > The real truth is that it's stupid to accept other people's > characterizations of one distribution over another since everyone looks > for different things and only through first hand experience can one > actually know. Really good answers and I see from Live CDs then. I was confused since I was someone told me about openSUSE but I read about its deal with MS. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > <> > > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. > > > i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. > > i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out > effort to administer them to keep them running. > > fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. > > suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. > > > in other words, if you have to keep asking about the two and do not > realize differance yet, go with suse/ubuntu or stay with oos. > > > if you try to use fedora, you will be posting to this list continuously > trying to get fedora to work. > > fedora will take a lot more on your part than oos/suse/ubuntu. > And remember you are mis understanding a new person, he is new and please use good language. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > <> > > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. > > > i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. > > i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out > effort to administer them to keep them running. > > fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. > > suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. > > > in other words, if you have to keep asking about the two and do not > realize differance yet, go with suse/ubuntu or stay with oos. > > > if you try to use fedora, you will be posting to this list continuously > trying to get fedora to work. > > fedora will take a lot more on your part than oos/suse/ubuntu. I am sorry, I didn't get what is back? And I am new, I also never expect replies like you have given. But thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <> > Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, -=- my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect that Canadians are Americans living in Canada. just as Mexicans are Americans living in Mexico. i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out distinction as to what part. my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. > and is only loosely correlated with your location. -=- if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) while yours, on the other hand, tends to have a miss leading to it. }> Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([190.200.176.238]) }>by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s12sm11017854anl.9.2011.12.20.19.38.41 }>(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); }>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:38:42 -0800 (PST) }> Message-ID: <1324438596.10703.10.ca...@bree.homelinux.com> }> From: Patrick O'Callaghan where 192.168.1.8 would tend to indicate your router interface. 190.200.176.238 may be part of your lan. yet it identifies as; CANTV Servicios, Venezuela VE-CSVE-LACNIC Ram�n Cabello Segunda Avenida de los Palos Grandes, 000, Entre Av. Fr 1060 - Caracas - MI VE your message id shows 'bree.homelinux.com' which is hosted by; Hostmaster, DynDNS hostmas...@dyndns.com Dynamic Network Services, Inc. 150 Dow St. Manchester, NH 03101 US with an email address from gmail.com so, just where you are could be a 'toss up'. :-) > I can't image why you would think that, nor can I imagine why it would > matter. -=- it was not you and i realize such after sending. and as you say, it really does not matter. > My comment was meant to apply to the members of the list, not > just myself. -=- understood. > I'm afraid the "mouse" epithet is over my head. -=- just a comment used when a singular person repeatedly, tho you did not, uses term 'we', and was intended jokingly. being that you are not familiar with term, you would not catch it. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 01:05 AM, Craig White wrote: > On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 18:31 +, g wrote: > >> i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out >> effort to administer them to keep them running. > > ??? > -=- what '???' ? >> fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. > > possibly - but just out of curiosity, do you have any installed from or > have enabled rpmfusion-nonfree repo? > -=- no. only software i have installed, other than what is in standard distribution of fedora and sl, are cad and eda related. none of which came from rpmfusion-nonfree repo. fact is, i do not have rpmfusion-nonfree in my repo lists. curiously, why do you ask? >> suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. > > I think he asked about openSuSE which is a bit different and to be > honest, -=- made be that i over simplified. suse, opensuse, are they not from same group of attachmate group? which is associated with microsoft and it's consortium's. > I have never used openSuSE and it's been years since I used SuSE > but saying that Ubuntu is for simple oos minded users is a > characterization that I just don't agree with. It's just a different > Linux distribution and seems reasonably easy to work with - like any > Fedora/Red Hat derived system. -=- for you and i, fedora/red hat are easy. for many oos users who try one linux distrib and then another, i would say that many more end up with suse or ubuntu do so because they are simpler and easier for them to use, not in that they are simpletons. and not just because of fedora's short eol. > >> in other words, if you have to keep asking about the two and do not >> realize differance yet, go with suse/ubuntu or stay with oos. > > The real truth is that it's stupid to accept other people's > characterizations of one distribution over another since everyone looks > for different things and only through first hand experience can one > actually know. -=- i agree. yet he keeps on asking. being that op has been told many times to get 'live' and make his own decision, and not doing so, he is leaning in wrong direction and more like that if he fails, it will not be his fault, but fault of others because 'they' told him what to use. then has a 'scape goat' to blame his short comings on. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 01:53 +, g wrote: > On 12/21/2011 12:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > <> > > > Which country would that be? (rhetorical question of course). There are > > lots of list members from lots of different countries. Don't assume > > we're all from the same place. > -=- > > true. but if any are in wonder, they can always have a look at my > email address. Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, and is only loosely correlated with your location. > others wise, United States of America. > > > from another post in past few weeks, i thought you and "mouse in your pocket" > had moved to u.s.a. I can't image why you would think that, nor can I imagine why it would matter. My comment was meant to apply to the members of the list, not just myself. I'm afraid the "mouse" epithet is over my head. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 12:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <> > Which country would that be? (rhetorical question of course). There are > lots of list members from lots of different countries. Don't assume > we're all from the same place. -=- true. but if any are in wonder, they can always have a look at my email address. others wise, United States of America. from another post in past few weeks, i thought you and "mouse in your pocket" had moved to u.s.a. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 01:17 +, g wrote: > On 12/21/2011 12:21 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > <> > > >> are you against our constitution? > > > Seems the government is :( Patriot Act! Bin Laden is apparently dead, US > > Navy Seals ran > > # rm -rf /bin/laden > -=- > > the "USA PATRIOT Act" is not against our constitution. > > it *is* against _terrorism_. > > > > now that matter is taken care of, can we repeal patriot act? > -=- > > i hope never. it is needed and should stay in place. I thoroughly disagree but this is not the place for this discussion so I will defer and hope that you will too. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/21/2011 12:21 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
<>
>> are you against our constitution?
> Seems the government is :( Patriot Act! Bin Laden is apparently dead, US
> Navy Seals ran
> # rm -rf /bin/laden
-=-
the "USA PATRIOT Act" is not against our constitution.
it *is* against _terrorism_.
> now that matter is taken care of, can we repeal patriot act?
-=-
i hope never. it is needed and should stay in place.
>> granted, this is a fedora tech support list, but where do
>> you believe
>> red hat would be without our constitution?
>>
> Constitution has no reference to direct or indirect to red hat/fedora or
> other Linux/GNU/Linux Distribution right? If I am wrong please point me
> to where it is?
-=-
if the U.S.A. was without the "United States Constitution", would we have
computers? would we have had unix and now linux? would we have this fedora
tech support list?
would you and i be corresponding? i do not believe so.
> Everyone has rights, some just have more than others :(
-=-
not so much with this list as it is with others.
> People have right to post almost anything that they want, there are some
> exceptions and some things that are way from Left Field.
-=-
true. yet we/some still respond. negatively and positively.
>
> e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0;
> religions, worst damnation of mankind;
> "If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would
> probably never had happened." Linus Torvalds
>
>
> Now question, which one of the above statements/signatures would be
> inappropriate here?
-=-
by etiquette guide lines, none of them.
without the "United States Constitution", all of them.
> As for the original question, many folks have provided excellent answers
> and the OP has the right to decide for (him|her)self which one or ones
> he/she would try out.
-=-
this has been pointed out many times to op, and in reply to his/her/it's
many personae.
yet, he/she/it continues to ask.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 18:31 +, g wrote: > i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out > effort to administer them to keep them running. ??? > > fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. possibly - but just out of curiosity, do you have any installed from or have enabled rpmfusion-nonfree repo? > > suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. I think he asked about openSuSE which is a bit different and to be honest, I have never used openSuSE and it's been years since I used SuSE but saying that Ubuntu is for simple oos minded users is a characterization that I just don't agree with. It's just a different Linux distribution and seems reasonably easy to work with - like any Fedora/Red Hat derived system. > > in other words, if you have to keep asking about the two and do not > realize differance yet, go with suse/ubuntu or stay with oos. The real truth is that it's stupid to accept other people's characterizations of one distribution over another since everyone looks for different things and only through first hand experience can one actually know. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 16:21 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr.
> > Zeitler. Putting
> > > his quote at the start of every message is equivalent
> > to:
> > -=-
> >
> > 2 things that make this country so great are;
> >
> > freedom of speech.
> >
> > freedom of religious belief.
> >
> >
> > are you against our constitution?
>
> Seems the government is :( Patriot Act! Bin Laden is apparently dead, US
> Navy Seals ran
> # rm -rf /bin/laden
>
> now that matter is taken care of, can we repeal patriot act?
> >
> >
> > granted, this is a fedora tech support list, but where do
> > you believe
> > red hat would be without our constitution?
> >
> Constitution has no reference to direct or indirect to red hat/fedora or
> other Linux/GNU/Linux Distribution right? If I am wrong please point me to
> where it is?
>
> >
> >
> > what you wrote is your belief and your right to do so, just
> > as it is
> > zeitler's right to.
> >
> > --
>
> Everyone has rights, some just have more than others :(
>
> People have right to post almost anything that they want, there are some
> exceptions and some things that are way from Left Field.
>
>
> e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0;
> religions, worst damnation of mankind;
> "If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably
> never had happened." Linus Torvalds
>
>
> Now question, which one of the above statements/signatures would be
> inappropriate here?
>
> As for the original question, many folks have provided excellent answers and
> the OP has the right to decide for (him|her)self which one or ones he/she
> would try out.
signatures are like bumper stickers... easy and cheap attempts to adopt
someone else's witty (hopefully) musings and somehow be made more noble
by adopting the tag. The only signature I have seen in the past 10 years
that I actually liked was simply...
:wq
and I would steal it except that I am an emacs person
Craig
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 23:03 +, g wrote: > 2 things that make this country so great are; Which country would that be? (rhetorical question of course). There are lots of list members from lots of different countries. Don't assume we're all from the same place. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 21:29 +, Alan Cox wrote: > > Of course, such messages could be interpreted as eyeballs paying for > > offered help; a personalized Google business model - I give you help > > for free, you give me your attention on my message. > > Or you could just treat it as that persons little .sig quirk of their > own, just like all the others people have Not quite all. I did once object to this because he insists on putting it at the start of every message, where one can hardly avoid seeing it. I don't think I've ever seen another poster on this or any other list do that, and frankly IMHO it's a bit much. There are plenty of objectionable .sigs around, but at least you don't have to look at them. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
> > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr.
> Zeitler. Putting
> > his quote at the start of every message is equivalent
> to:
> -=-
>
> 2 things that make this country so great are;
>
> freedom of speech.
>
> freedom of religious belief.
>
>
> are you against our constitution?
Seems the government is :( Patriot Act! Bin Laden is apparently dead, US Navy
Seals ran
# rm -rf /bin/laden
now that matter is taken care of, can we repeal patriot act?
>
>
> granted, this is a fedora tech support list, but where do
> you believe
> red hat would be without our constitution?
>
Constitution has no reference to direct or indirect to red hat/fedora or other
Linux/GNU/Linux Distribution right? If I am wrong please point me to where it
is?
>
>
> what you wrote is your belief and your right to do so, just
> as it is
> zeitler's right to.
>
> --
Everyone has rights, some just have more than others :(
People have right to post almost anything that they want, there are some
exceptions and some things that are way from Left Field.
e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0;
religions, worst damnation of mankind;
"If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably
never had happened." Linus Torvalds
Now question, which one of the above statements/signatures would be
inappropriate here?
As for the original question, many folks have provided excellent answers and
the OP has the right to decide for (him|her)self which one or ones he/she would
try out.
Regards,
Antonio
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
Do what thou wilt
shall be the whole of the Law.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler wrote:
>
>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft...
>
> I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning.
Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')
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[OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 09:08 PM, stan wrote: <> > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. Zeitler. Putting > his quote at the start of every message is equivalent to: -=- 2 things that make this country so great are; freedom of speech. freedom of religious belief. are you against our constitution? granted, this is a fedora tech support list, but where do you believe red hat would be without our constitution? what you wrote is your belief and your right to do so, just as it is zeitler's right to. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 2011/12/20 13:29, Alan Cox wrote:
Mae fy hofrenfad i yn llawn llysywod
Your hovercraft is too full of eels? (Thank Google for that humor.)
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 1:59 PM, Ted Roche wrote: Are you suggesting, "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send?" We could do worse. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > > Or you could just treat it as that persons little .sig quirk of their > own, just like all the others people have > > Alan > --- > Mae fy hofrenfad i yn llawn llysywod > -- Are you suggesting, "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send?" We could do worse. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:08:53 -0700 stan wrote: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:07:34 -0800 > Paul Allen Newell wrote: > > > As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. > > Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list > > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. Zeitler. Putting > his quote at the start of every message is equivalent to: Well your email starts "Tue, 20", which is Tueday aka Tiwesdæg which is celebrating a proto-Germanic god and from there-in it gets silly. > People are welcome to their beliefs, but a technical mailing list > doesn't seem to be the place to proselytize or air those beliefs. I trust there will be no comments about Merry Christmas (now or in January according to sect), people will remember that the new year is an arbitary construct that differs between cultures on the list. > Of course, such messages could be interpreted as eyeballs paying for > offered help; a personalized Google business model - I give you help > for free, you give me your attention on my message. Or you could just treat it as that persons little .sig quirk of their own, just like all the others people have Alan --- Mae fy hofrenfad i yn llawn llysywod -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:07:34 -0800 Paul Allen Newell wrote: > As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. > Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. Zeitler. Putting his quote at the start of every message is equivalent to: Every Christian starting their messages with 'Jesus is Lord'. Every Muslim starting their messages with 'Allah Akbar'. Every Hindu starting their messages with 'Hare Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama'. Every Buddhist starting their messages with 'Form is emptiness, emptiness is form'. Every Taoist starting their messages with 'The Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao'. etc., etc. If your religion or belief system is not mentioned above, I didn't mean to slight you, I'm probably just not familiar with it. People are welcome to their beliefs, but a technical mailing list doesn't seem to be the place to proselytize or air those beliefs. Of course, such messages could be interpreted as eyeballs paying for offered help; a personalized Google business model - I give you help for free, you give me your attention on my message. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 12:07 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list Thank you, Paul. I doubt, however, that Darryl meant to take things that far off-topic or realized what might happen. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:45:54 -0500 "Darryl L. Pierce" wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: > > Do what thou wilt > > shall be the whole of the Law. > > What is the law? > No spill blood. > Who makes the rules? > Someone else. > :D I think the full quote is - An it harm no other, Do what thou wilt Shall be the whole Of the law. Sort of libertarian. But Aleister Crowley gives me the creeps, so I shun his writings, and thus I'm not the best person to interpret his utterances. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 11:58 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/20/2011 11:45 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D I'll tell you what, people, how about if we stop this line of discussion right here before it gets into a Holy War. If nothing else, I'm almost sure nobody on this list wants me to start talking about the 613 Commandments. In the unlikely event that I'm wrong, email me off list for an explanation because I'm simply Not Going There on this list. As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 11:45 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D I'll tell you what, people, how about if we stop this line of discussion right here before it gets into a Holy War. If nothing else, I'm almost sure nobody on this list wants me to start talking about the 613 Commandments. In the unlikely event that I'm wrong, email me off list for an explanation because I'm simply Not Going There on this list. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: > Do what thou wilt > shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc. Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ pgpfkwUcVY1Zg.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 20.12.2011, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just > wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and > for rest of the distributions more. Do a saerch and locate all the distribution of your interest. Download a live CD and try them all. Then decide. Nearly all of the available distributions are great, so it'll be a matter of taste and needs. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
> Well said, but I just wanted to learn the Linux from the > basics -> > right from the first step. So if Fedora really gives all > such issues, > should I go to openSUSE? > -- If you want to learn linux, then go and get Slackware! If you want hand holding and flash + codecs get Mint based on Ubuntu, If you want 2 learn Fedora then stay and use it. If you want to use OpenSUSE you can do it too. If you just want to get a feel for either system get a livecd and run it from each system. Then try to decide for yourself which systems works better for you. OpenSUSE slept with the devil in the M$ deal, but it is a good system and if that does not bother you? You can also go for Arch Linux, Gentoo Linux or other source based distro in which you really get to learn linux and not let the distro creators what they want* and you get to decide what you want*! Fedora is an excellent system but you have to try it on your own and get to like it. Regards, Antonio -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: <> the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out effort to administer them to keep them running. fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. in other words, if you have to keep asking about the two and do not realize differance yet, go with suse/ubuntu or stay with oos. if you try to use fedora, you will be posting to this list continuously trying to get fedora to work. fedora will take a lot more on your part than oos/suse/ubuntu. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better. So I installed Linux. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > Do what thou wilt > shall be the whole of the Law. Yeah correct but since I was confused and new, so suggestions put a great deal of work for me, after all community members are so much experienced! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: >> Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just >> wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and >> for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I >> would be confused more. > Why is it negative about Ubuntu? I am OS agnostic run all three on different > machines. Fedora may give issues if you have non-free hardware. I gave up on > Fedora on my main PC which has Nvidia GTX 470. Tried three fresh installs > all failed. Using fedora on laptop and openSUSE and Ubuntu on main PC. It > also depends on your level of comfort with GNU/Linux. Ubuntu has some > advantages such as PPAs where you can easily install apps. Fedora repository > misses some apps such as arista. So, if you are the one who needs a lot of > applications, Fedora may not work for you. Also, if you want to learn more > about GNU/Linux then go Fedora/openSUSE way. > Base of Ubuntu is Debian so, there is no harm as long as you are using Gnome > 3 Shell or KDE. > Try all and use what works for you. Ok well, my purpose is just to learn linux, and in fact I was really confused. I heard people saying that Fedora is too technical. So okay you are true that one should go with the one is okay. But from openSUSE and ubuntu which according to you should be given preference? Asking since I really don't know, I know I can try both but what your suggestions are? Is openSUSE good for learning Linux? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Notably Fedora has some features that may make it not suitable for everyone. > Fedora versions are only supported for 13 months, so you will be looking > at doing upgrades once (or twice if you don't want to skip releases) a > year. > Fedora cannot include software covered by patents and hence doesn't come > with support for some commonly used codecs. Fedora also doesn't include > proprietary drivers. While the open source drivers have gotten better > and will be reaching a few important milestones around F17, if you want > to get the most out of your video card you are going to want to use > proprietary drivers. rpmfusion provides support for many codecs and > for proprietary drivers. Using the codecs may or may not be strictly > legal in your juristriction. > I wouldn't write off using Ubuntu for some use cases. They provide long > term support for some of their releases. You could also use their upstream > distro, Debian. > If you want a Red Hat derived distro without buying support, you can look > at CentOS or Scientific Linux. Those have long life cycles that avoid > having to do yearly release changes. > Also note that using poor security practices under Linux can get your > system owned, just like under Windows. Well said, but I just wanted to learn the Linux from the basics -> right from the first step. So if Fedora really gives all such issues, should I go to openSUSE? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > Hello community, > > This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from > Windows XP, > opensuse comes in mind, then some other distribution... Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... charles zeitler. -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On 12/20/2011 06:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I would be confused more. Why is it negative about Ubuntu? I am OS agnostic run all three on different machines. Fedora may give issues if you have non-free hardware. I gave up on Fedora on my main PC which has Nvidia GTX 470. Tried three fresh installs all failed. Using fedora on laptop and openSUSE and Ubuntu on main PC. It also depends on your level of comfort with GNU/Linux. Ubuntu has some advantages such as PPAs where you can easily install apps. Fedora repository misses some apps such as arista. So, if you are the one who needs a lot of applications, Fedora may not work for you. Also, if you want to learn more about GNU/Linux then go Fedora/openSUSE way. Base of Ubuntu is Debian so, there is no harm as long as you are using Gnome 3 Shell or KDE. Try all and use what works for you. Swapnil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 22:48:48 +0530, "Rameshwar Kr. Sharma" wrote: > > Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just > wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and > for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I > would be confused more. To help us make recommendations, it would be helpful to know how you are planning to use the system. Notably Fedora has some features that may make it not suitable for everyone. Fedora versions are only supported for 13 months, so you will be looking at doing upgrades once (or twice if you don't want to skip releases) a year. Fedora cannot include software covered by patents and hence doesn't come with support for some commonly used codecs. Fedora also doesn't include proprietary drivers. While the open source drivers have gotten better and will be reaching a few important milestones around F17, if you want to get the most out of your video card you are going to want to use proprietary drivers. rpmfusion provides support for many codecs and for proprietary drivers. Using the codecs may or may not be strictly legal in your juristriction. I wouldn't write off using Ubuntu for some use cases. They provide long term support for some of their releases. You could also use their upstream distro, Debian. If you want a Red Hat derived distro without buying support, you can look at CentOS or Scientific Linux. Those have long life cycles that avoid having to do yearly release changes. Also note that using poor security practices under Linux can get your system owned, just like under Windows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
