Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 29 October 2013 04:47, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 22:55 +0100, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: I don't know it is a correct design in that case. FF doesn't check file content and only trusts that HTTP headers are set correctly. But it is FF and not Fedora issue anymore. And that is how they're supposed to work, and how it really should be done, for reasons of sanity. When you ignore headers, and just pass data to browsers to sort out what do with this yourself, things screw up, right royally. For one thing, it's why Windows is so vulnerable. Nasty stuff bypasses sensible handling, and is allowed to execute, because that's what Windows does with binary program files (it executes them). This isn't an argument for using content type rather than autodetection, the content type could be manipulated as part of an attack. What you go on to say about the problem of knowing what you've got: There are any number of different types of files (function-wise) that are the same file-type (construction-wise), so they need correct identification by what's sending it, as it will be the only thing that would correctly know what it is. This and the general problem of correctly identifying the type of every data type and version under the sun is the reason to not try and snoop the data type. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 29.10.2013 09:17, Ian Malone wrote: On 29 October 2013 04:47, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 22:55 +0100, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: I don't know it is a correct design in that case. FF doesn't check file content and only trusts that HTTP headers are set correctly. But it is FF and not Fedora issue anymore. And that is how they're supposed to work, and how it really should be done, for reasons of sanity. When you ignore headers, and just pass data to browsers to sort out what do with this yourself, things screw up, right royally. For one thing, it's why Windows is so vulnerable. Nasty stuff bypasses sensible handling, and is allowed to execute, because that's what Windows does with binary program files (it executes them). This isn't an argument for using content type rather than autodetection, the content type could be manipulated as part of an attack. What you go on to say about the problem of knowing what you've got: There are any number of different types of files (function-wise) that are the same file-type (construction-wise), so they need correct identification by what's sending it, as it will be the only thing that would correctly know what it is. This and the general problem of correctly identifying the type of every data type and version under the sun is the reason to not try and snoop the data type. OK, I know all that argumentation about security but as you've mentioned HTTP headers could be easily manipulated. Content recognition must be done somewhere, in that case on web server, in order to set headers correctly. There always would be need for content inspection. So what is better: check content on server side or client side? From client perspective the later is safer because it doesn't have to trust some remote entity. My sample URL showed that even GitHub isn't perfect and sets improper headers for some files (or it does it by choice). Finally, client software and web browsers should not be fragile to miscellaneous and manipulated content - they just should recognizes it as such. Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 29 October 2013 09:07, Mateusz Marzantowicz mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl wrote: On 29.10.2013 09:17, Ian Malone wrote: On 29 October 2013 04:47, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: There are any number of different types of files (function-wise) that are the same file-type (construction-wise), so they need correct identification by what's sending it, as it will be the only thing that would correctly know what it is. This and the general problem of correctly identifying the type of every data type and version under the sun is the reason to not try and snoop the data type. OK, I know all that argumentation about security but as you've mentioned HTTP headers could be easily manipulated. Content recognition must be done somewhere, in that case on web server, in order to set headers correctly. There always would be need for content inspection. So what is better: check content on server side or client side? From client perspective the later is safer because it doesn't have to trust some remote entity. My sample URL showed that even GitHub isn't perfect and sets improper headers for some files (or it does it by choice). Finally, client software and web browsers should not be fragile to miscellaneous and manipulated content - they just should recognizes it as such. This is irrelevant, they are two different things: security and the intended interpretation of the data. Security in this context comes down to being suspicious that what you get may not be what it claims to be. The client does not (should not) *trust* the content type. But the correct application to handle a particular content type is best placed to decide whether it's genuine, not your web browser. Trying to read and detect an array of types would open the door to more vulnerabilities. Scanning for viruses or known attacks is not content detection in this sense. As Tim pointed out even just for text you can't trivially tell whether it should be interpreted as plain text, html, svg, C etc. without trying to do complex parsing. There is *not* a need for content detection if the server is working correctly, it should know from context what it's serving. You've found a bug with github, that's their issue to fix, not every web browser's to bodge. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 29 October 2013 10:36, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: As Tim pointed out even just for text you can't trivially tell whether it should be interpreted as plain text, html, svg, C etc. without trying to do complex parsing. There is *not* a need for content detection if the server is working correctly, it should know from context what it's serving. You've found a bug with github, that's their issue to fix, not every web browser's to bodge. https://rawgithub.com/ https://rawgithub.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Tim: For one thing, it's why Windows is so vulnerable. Nasty stuff bypasses sensible handling, and is allowed to execute, because that's what Windows does with binary program files (it executes them). Ian Malone: This isn't an argument for using content type rather than autodetection, the content type could be manipulated as part of an attack. I don't agree that it it's not, but you do mention yet another problem. An example of what I meant, was Windows being passed data that it says is a MIDI file. Windows thinks MIDI is benign, so allows it (likewise with users that see a MIDI file, and think its safe to double-click on it). But rather than palm the data off to a MIDI handling program, like it should do. It snoops the file, finds out that it's an executable binary, and does what it usually does - executes it. And runs the attack. If, on the other hand, it behaved properly, and passed the attacking binary onto the MIDI player, the MIDI player would have rejected the file, and no attack would have happened. This isn't a made up example, by the way. It was a very common, and very long-lived, attack vector in HTML spam mail. One that I used to see, time and time again, on mailing lists that did inadequate registration checks, and on usenet. The usual approach was to try and include the fake MIDI file as music that was supposed to automatically play in the background when the message was displayed. So all a user had to do was read the message to be attacked. I can't think of an example in the opposite direction (where obeying the MIME type declaration would be an exploit). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 21:53, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 21:36, Reindl Harald wrote: Part of my FF config regarding file associacion is genuine and was never modified. I know I can change this or that, but appropriate entries are there ane still don't work correctly. It happens only for some servers and files and *why* did you *not* state this in your original post? because for me it was obvious that when I wrote that despite I have CLEAN new profile FF still wants to open doc in gedit. I'll be more precise next time. *some servers and files* is NOT general and *that* is the difference so I guess it might be related to wrong headres but I'm not sure so test it to be sure and if it are wrong Content-Type headers bale the server-admin or fool who wrote a web-application sending wrong headers and in that case the whole thread should not have been started at all I started this thread here to see if anybody else is suffering from this problem. I don't know what is the cause of my problem and if I'm the only person affected. so at least provide a sample URL how should someone know how his FF acts on a specific URL and if the Contet-Type header is plaintext the behavior is *correct* Opening doc and gz files with correct app is something that should work on desktop system without much configuration *some servers and files* is NOT general signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true --2013-10-28 22:32:57-- https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving github.com (github.com)... 192.30.252.129 Connecting to github.com (github.com)|192.30.252.129|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/raw/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc [following] --2013-10-28 22:32:57-- https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/raw/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc Reusing existing connection to github.com:443. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: https://raw.github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc [following] --2013-10-28 22:32:58-- https://raw.github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 22:58, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:34, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] Thank you for your help. It means that content of downloaded file is irrelevant for FF. *otherwise* it would be a bug and the behavior is correct FF *must not* look in the content a browser which does is broken in case of a specified mime-type http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18337630/what-is-x-content-type-options-nosniff http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg622941%28v=vs.85%29.aspx blame the idiot which sends text/plain instead application/msword from the broken web-application and not the messenger signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 23:26, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 23:02, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:58, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:34, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] Thank you for your help. It means that content of downloaded file is irrelevant for FF. *otherwise* it would be a bug and the behavior is correct FF *must not* look in the content a browser which does is broken in case of a specified mime-type Could you provide some RFC or other standard to back that statement? *why did you remove the links i posted as example* http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18337630/what-is-x-content-type-options-nosniff http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg622941%28v=vs.85%29.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_sniffing MIME sniffing was, and still is, used by some web browsers, including notably Microsoft's Internet Explorer, in an attempt to help web sites which do not correctly signal the MIME type of web content display correctly. your URL *does* it sends a mime-type! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME_type https://www.google.at/search?q=mime-sniff http://www.h-online.com/security/features/Risky-MIME-sniffing-in-Internet-Explorer-746229.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 29.10.2013 10:07, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 29.10.2013 09:17, Ian Malone wrote: This isn't an argument for using content type rather than autodetection, the content type could be manipulated as part of an attack. in that case you are already lost and if the server had an intrusion and is attacking you be sure sooner or later someone will attack your local code doing the mime-sniffing itself OK, I know all that argumentation about security but as you've mentioned HTTP headers could be easily manipulated. could they? only in two cases and in *both* you are already lost * the server was hacked and is attacking users * a successful man-in-the-middle Content recognition must be done somewhere, in that case on web server, in order to set headers correctly. and that is the right place There always would be need for content inspection not on the client except for local saved files So what is better: check content on server side or client side? on the server side - period From client perspective the later is safer because it doesn't have to trust some remote entity. *lol* if you do not trust the remote entity aka server how should your client make it safe by magic? My sample URL showed that even GitHub isn't perfect and sets improper headers for some files (or it does it by choice) because GitHub and some others are failing in basics does not mean that the client has to fix their errors Finally, client software and web browsers should not be fragile to miscellaneous and manipulated content - they just should recognizes it as such maybe windows is the solution for this non-existing problem the majority of users has no problem by some random servers which are broken, you can *always* save a file and open it local or in doubt if the server is that broken close the web-page and go to some trustable source signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 29.10.2013 13:30, schrieb Ian Malone: On 29 October 2013 10:36, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: As Tim pointed out even just for text you can't trivially tell whether it should be interpreted as plain text, html, svg, C etc. without trying to do complex parsing. There is *not* a need for content detection if the server is working correctly, it should know from context what it's serving. You've found a bug with github, that's their issue to fix, not every web browser's to bodge. https://rawgithub.com/ https://rawgithub.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc fine, that does not explain why they are sending the wrong Content-Type for the other URL, the one below with raw=true is expected to send application/msword too instead text/plain https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true the main question is why someone is starting a thread blaming Firefox because a broken website and insist in blame Firefox while it was multiple times explained how the www works and why Linux does handle htings not the same crippeled way like Windows if someone wants to have the behavior of Windows/MSIE he is free to buy, install and use it, the rest of the world continues not to guess if the mime-type from a server was only a joke - period signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 29.10.2013 13:40, Reindl Harald wrote: the main question is why someone is starting a thread blaming Firefox because a broken website and insist in blame Firefox while it was multiple times explained how the www works and why Linux does handle htings not the same crippeled way like Windows if someone wants to have the behavior of Windows/MSIE he is free to buy, install and use it, the rest of the world continues not to guess if the mime-type from a server was only a joke - period 1. That someone is me. 2. I wasn't aware that this is not FF issue when I started this thread. It was happening with different file types and servers. FF was my fist shoot. Then you helped me better understand that issue with content type. 3. I don't know why you're so excited when it comes to Windows. It could have been Mac as well but I use windows more often but still rarely than Linux. In fact I use Windows so infrequently that I had no chance to face all that wrong content type issues. I know that now. 4. I don't insist in blaming any software, you're exaggerating. 5. I don't know what is the behavior of MSIE because I don't use it. You gave me link that pointed me to MSDN and MSIE related article. PERIOD :-) Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Mateusz Marzantowicz writes: Why, Firefox on Fedora 19 wants to open all different sort of files of well known types with gedit? Dunno. Mine doesn't. It's ridiculous that torrent files, zip and gz archives and even doc file are suggested to be opened with gedit. Agreed. Quite a preposterous proposition. Creating new FF profile doesn't resolve this issue. Is it that hard to recognize file type and open it with correct application? No, it's not. Now, you can slaughter me but Firefox on Windows suggests apps correctly so it's more likely Fedora related bug. Well, maybe, if you call blowing away /usr/share/misc/magic a bug, rather than an accident. That would be one way to end up in a similar situation. I'm sure there are other ways for this to be screwed up, also. Any way to fix it? I'm sure there is. But unless you expect someone to hack into your machine, and figure out what your problem is, the only one who can fix this would be you. pgpQjExu48Vif.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Why, Firefox on Fedora 19 wants to open all different sort of files of well known types with gedit? It's ridiculous that torrent files, zip and gz archives and even doc file are suggested to be opened with gedit. Creating new FF profile doesn't resolve this issue. Is it that hard to recognize file type and open it with correct application? Now, you can slaughter me but Firefox on Windows suggests apps correctly so it's more likely Fedora related bug. Any way to fix it? Open Firefox Preferences. Click on Applications. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Mateusz Marzantowicz writes: Any way to fix it? I'm sure there is. But unless you expect someone to hack into your machine, and figure out what your problem is, the only one who can fix this would be you. Michael Cronenworth had a better response. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class, whom I teach not to run with scissors, that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword. -- Lily -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28.10.2013 16:35, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Why, Firefox on Fedora 19 wants to open all different sort of files of well known types with gedit? It's ridiculous that torrent files, zip and gz archives and even doc file are suggested to be opened with gedit. Creating new FF profile doesn't resolve this issue. Is it that hard to recognize file type and open it with correct application? Now, you can slaughter me but Firefox on Windows suggests apps correctly so it's more likely Fedora related bug. Any way to fix it? Open Firefox Preferences. Click on Applications. Is it the best you can do? If you don't know how to help, please don't write such useless responses. Part of my FF config regarding file associacion is genuine and was never modified. I know I can change this or that, but appropriate entries are there ane still don't work correctly. It happens only for some servers and files so I guess it might be related to wrong headres but I'm not sure. Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
Am 28.10.2013 21:30, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 16:35, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Why, Firefox on Fedora 19 wants to open all different sort of files of well known types with gedit? It's ridiculous that torrent files, zip and gz archives and even doc file are suggested to be opened with gedit. Creating new FF profile doesn't resolve this issue. Is it that hard to recognize file type and open it with correct application? Now, you can slaughter me but Firefox on Windows suggests apps correctly so it's more likely Fedora related bug. Any way to fix it? Open Firefox Preferences. Click on Applications. Is it the best you can do? If you don't know how to help, please don't write such useless responses. Part of my FF config regarding file associacion is genuine and was never modified. I know I can change this or that, but appropriate entries are there ane still don't work correctly. It happens only for some servers and files and *why* did you *not* state this in your original post? so I guess it might be related to wrong headres but I'm not sure so test it to be sure and if it are wrong Content-Type headers bale the server-admin or fool who wrote a web-application sending wrong headers and in that case the whole thread should not have been started at all signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28.10.2013 21:36, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 21:30, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 16:35, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Why, Firefox on Fedora 19 wants to open all different sort of files of well known types with gedit? It's ridiculous that torrent files, zip and gz archives and even doc file are suggested to be opened with gedit. Creating new FF profile doesn't resolve this issue. Is it that hard to recognize file type and open it with correct application? Now, you can slaughter me but Firefox on Windows suggests apps correctly so it's more likely Fedora related bug. Any way to fix it? Open Firefox Preferences. Click on Applications. Is it the best you can do? If you don't know how to help, please don't write such useless responses. Part of my FF config regarding file associacion is genuine and was never modified. I know I can change this or that, but appropriate entries are there ane still don't work correctly. It happens only for some servers and files and *why* did you *not* state this in your original post? because for me it was obvious that when I wrote that despite I have CLEAN new profile FF still wants to open doc in gedit. I'll be more precise next time. so I guess it might be related to wrong headres but I'm not sure so test it to be sure and if it are wrong Content-Type headers bale the server-admin or fool who wrote a web-application sending wrong headers and in that case the whole thread should not have been started at all I started this thread here to see if anybody else is suffering from this problem. I don't know what is the cause of my problem and if I'm the only person affected. Opening doc and gz files with correct app is something that should work on desktop system without much configuration. Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
for me that comes up with asking to save or open with gedit.. although, i assume there's a config attribute to point to the app i'd like to have open the file... i'm running ff24.. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl wrote: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28/10/13 22:22, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Whether you like it or not FF doesn't recognise doc files (see Edit - Preferences - Applications) it asks you what to do. You can then look up libreoffice and the doc will display correctly. Admittedly it IS cumbersome but I believe FF works as designed. -- Erik -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28.10.2013 22:44, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 28/10/13 22:22, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Whether you like it or not FF doesn't recognise doc files (see Edit - Preferences - Applications) it asks you what to do. You can then look up libreoffice and the doc will display correctly. Admittedly it IS cumbersome but I believe FF works as designed. Thanks, I don't know it is a correct design in that case. FF doesn't check file content and only trusts that HTTP headers are set correctly. But it is FF and not Fedora issue anymore. Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28.10.2013 22:34, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true --2013-10-28 22:32:57-- https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving github.com (github.com)... 192.30.252.129 Connecting to github.com (github.com)|192.30.252.129|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/raw/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc [following] --2013-10-28 22:32:57-- https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/raw/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc Reusing existing connection to github.com:443. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: https://raw.github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc [following] --2013-10-28 22:32:58-- https://raw.github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] Thank you for your help. It means that content of downloaded file is irrelevant for FF. Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: I don't know it is a correct design in that case. FF doesn't check file content and only trusts that HTTP headers are set correctly. But it is FF and not Fedora issue anymore. Sometimes that is what one wants, e.g. an HTML or postscript file. Either could be regarded as plain text or as something to process. That is what the HTTP headers are for. What annoys me are text files labeled binary/application. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class, whom I teach not to run with scissors, that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword. -- Lily -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28.10.2013 23:02, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:58, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:34, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:22, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: On 28.10.2013 22:14, Reindl Harald wrote: so at least provide a sample URL Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true here you go: text/plain (last line of the wget-output) so the behavior is correct, and that is why you should provide infos while seek for help in the first post [harry@srv-rhsoft:/downloads]$ wget https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true Resolving raw.github.com (raw.github.com)... 185.31.16.133 Connecting to raw.github.com (raw.github.com)|185.31.16.133|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 251392 (246K) [text/plain] Thank you for your help. It means that content of downloaded file is irrelevant for FF. *otherwise* it would be a bug and the behavior is correct FF *must not* look in the content a browser which does is broken in case of a specified mime-type Could you provide some RFC or other standard to back that statement? Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 28 October 2013 22:26, Mateusz Marzantowicz mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl wrote: On 28.10.2013 23:02, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:58, schrieb Mateusz Marzantowicz: Thank you for your help. It means that content of downloaded file is irrelevant for FF. *otherwise* it would be a bug and the behavior is correct FF *must not* look in the content a browser which does is broken in case of a specified mime-type Could you provide some RFC or other standard to back that statement? If you think about it rationally, if the mime type is specified, but the browser still reads the data to guess (on the basis it knows better) then it's just ignoring the mime type and the system is pointless. But if you want an RFC: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec7.html#sec7.2.1 Any HTTP/1.1 message containing an entity-body SHOULD include a Content-Type header field defining the media type of that body. If and only if the media type is not given by a Content-Type field, the recipient MAY attempt to guess the media type via inspection of its content and/or the name extension(s) of the URI used to identify the resource. If the media type remains unknown, the recipient SHOULD treat it as type application/octet-stream. This actually covers another post too: Michael Hennebry: What annoys me are text files labeled binary/application In some of those cases it may simply be unlabelled. But I do find it pretty annoying when it happens too, seems quite common for email attachments from Outlook users, you ask to be sent a plain text file and when you get it you end up having to save before opening. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On 10/28/2013 02:22 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: Here you go: https://github.com/gammu/gsm-docs/blob/master/standards/3gpp/TP-24/23040-009.doc?raw=true I use Xfce, and it wanted to use Leafpad because it was described as a plain-text document. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 22:55 +0100, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: I don't know it is a correct design in that case. FF doesn't check file content and only trusts that HTTP headers are set correctly. But it is FF and not Fedora issue anymore. And that is how they're supposed to work, and how it really should be done, for reasons of sanity. When you ignore headers, and just pass data to browsers to sort out what do with this yourself, things screw up, right royally. For one thing, it's why Windows is so vulnerable. Nasty stuff bypasses sensible handling, and is allowed to execute, because that's what Windows does with binary program files (it executes them). But ignoring Windows stupidity, the same situation applies for other operating systems. The *server* must tell you what sort of data you're being handed. There are any number of different types of files (function-wise) that are the same file-type (construction-wise), so they need correct identification by what's sending it, as it will be the only thing that would correctly know what it is. There's a plethora of files that are just plain text, but not all of them should be opened by a text editor. And there are a plethora of files that are some sort of binary, many more different types than we're going to be able to list, or even know about. But you can't arbitrarily have your web browser palm them off to the same application, because it'll be the wrong one to use for an awful lot of them. e.g. If you're one of those people who decide to let your PDF reader have all the unidentified binary files, because you keep getting PDF files that save instead of load, your PDF reader is also going to asked to load other unidentified binary files, and are not PDF files. Having said that, if you want the brain-dead Windows method of handling unidentified data, set your default binary/octet-stream handler (that's the generic identifier for this is some kind of binary file that I haven't a clue about), to palm off those files to something like gnome-open, which does snoop into the file to try and identify it (or whatever handler has replaced gnome-open in newer Gnome releases, or other-than-gnome desktops). It's a bit more successful at doing that than Windows. But, yes, it will get it wrong, too. And sometimes you're going to have to abort what it tries to do, then download and save the file, and sort it out by hand. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox - gedit is the best!
On Monday, October 28, 2013 10:43:14 PM Ian Malone wrote: In some of those cases it may simply be unlabelled. But I do find it pretty annoying when it happens too, seems quite common for email attachments from Outlook users, you ask to be sent a plain text file and when you get it you end up having to save before opening. Ah, that would explain what happens some times at work. Good to know. /Martin S -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
