Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-21 Thread poma
On 20.11.2014 23:56, Chris Murphy wrote:
...
 Netatalk is an open source implementation of AFP (Apple Filing
 Protocol). Presently Apple OS X starting with version 10.9 (about a
 year ago) prefers SMB over AFP for file sharing. It still prefers AFP
 over SMB for remote Time Machine Backups as there are some features
 Time Machine needs that aren't available yet in SMB.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/11/apple-shifts-from-afp-file-sharing-to-smb2-in-os-x-109-mavericks

What will happen to CUPS, yet to be seen.

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-21 Thread poma
On 21.11.2014 03:05, Chris Murphy wrote:
...
 Using OS X as a client over NFS is - annoying. When it works, it's
 fast. ~110MB/s sustained on big (10+MB) files. But on 10.9 it hangs

~110MB/s ≈ 880 Mbps, solid performance, copper or fiber?


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-21 Thread poma
On 20.11.2014 21:29, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 11/20/14 14:21, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

 I took a break and later realized that I already had a copy of the 
 data in /nfs4exports/data! So instead of taking it from the other NFS 
 server I simply rsync'd it to /DATAsmb/Data/. That's running now and 
 will take some time since it's large. However that's not the ideal 
 solution either since now I have a second copy of the large file on 
 the Raid1 server ...
 
 
 
 Now I have another problem I can't handle:
 
 /dev/sdb1699G  116G  583G  17% /home
 /dev/sda1494M  171M  323M  35% /boot
 //localhost/myshare   50G   50G  4.9M 100% /DATA
 
 myshare.DATA is full and the rsync is stalled. I don't know how to reset 
 the size, actually I would prefer that it have access to all available 
 space. I really don't want the drives whacked up into separate systems. 
 I may yum remove samba and start over now that I see some of the problems?
 
 I see netatalk ight be a better way to deal with the Apple devices? But 
 I know they all work with samba. I guess I need to read and think some 
 more about this, I'm already in over my head.
 
 Bob
 

Take your time, go step by step, be playful, you'll find the best solution for 
you.
:)


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:11 AM, poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote:

 ~110MB/s ≈ 880 Mbps, solid performance, copper or fiber?

Office supply store CAT5 UTP.


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 11/19/14 12:21, poma wrote:

Chapter 14. Samba

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide/chap-Managing_Confined_Services-Samba.html

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/pdf/SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7-SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide-en-US.pdf#__WKANCHOR_70



Good, the instructions in chapter 14 are easy to follow and work.

Now both NFS and SMB are available to the Apple devices on our LAN. I 
now have /DATAsmb/Data/ into which I have managed to transfer a few 
files using sftp and the Apple iPod I am testing with displays them as 
expected. Loading them individually with sftp is a tedious job, probably 
because I don't have the right command string. But what I really need is 
a way to link the NFS data and SMB Data or to rsync them. They are 
different computers on the same wired ethernet LAN.


What is the best way to accomplish that?

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-20 Thread poma
On 20.11.2014 17:09, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 11/19/14 12:21, poma wrote:
 Chapter 14. Samba

 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide/chap-Managing_Confined_Services-Samba.html

 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/pdf/SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7-SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide-en-US.pdf#__WKANCHOR_70
 
 
 Good, the instructions in chapter 14 are easy to follow and work.
 
 Now both NFS and SMB are available to the Apple devices on our LAN. I 
 now have /DATAsmb/Data/ into which I have managed to transfer a few 
 files using sftp and the Apple iPod I am testing with displays them as 
 expected. Loading them individually with sftp is a tedious job, probably 
 because I don't have the right command string. But what I really need is 
 a way to link the NFS data and SMB Data or to rsync them. They are 
 different computers on the same wired ethernet LAN.
 
 What is the best way to accomplish that?
 
 Bob
 

You can start the search here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_synchronization

or simply use '[s]cp'
man 1 [s]cp


BTW have you tried Netatalk
http://netatalk.sourceforge.net

$ repoquery -i netatalk



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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 11/20/14 13:51, poma wrote:

But what I really need is
 a way to link the NFS data and SMB Data or to rsync them. They are
 different computers on the same wired ethernet LAN.

 What is the best way to accomplish that?

 Bob


You can start the search here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_synchronization

or simply use '[s]cp'
man 1 [s]cp


BTW have you tried Netatalk
http://netatalk.sourceforge.net

$ repoquery -i netatalk




I took a break and later realized that I already had a copy of the data 
in /nfs4exports/data! So instead of taking it from the other NFS server 
I simply rsync'd it to /DATAsmb/Data/. That's running now and will take 
some time since it's large. However that's not the ideal solution either 
since now I have a second copy of the large file on the Raid1 server ...


I'll read the URL above. And not sure what netatalk is? I'll look at 
that too, but I already have voip service from Viasat which runs circles 
around the cell phone for quality and reliability, it's just not 
portable, can't put it in my pocket as I have it set up.


Your help is much appreciated,

Bob

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 11/20/14 14:21, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:


I took a break and later realized that I already had a copy of the 
data in /nfs4exports/data! So instead of taking it from the other NFS 
server I simply rsync'd it to /DATAsmb/Data/. That's running now and 
will take some time since it's large. However that's not the ideal 
solution either since now I have a second copy of the large file on 
the Raid1 server ...




Now I have another problem I can't handle:

/dev/sdb1699G  116G  583G  17% /home
/dev/sda1494M  171M  323M  35% /boot
//localhost/myshare   50G   50G  4.9M 100% /DATA

myshare.DATA is full and the rsync is stalled. I don't know how to reset 
the size, actually I would prefer that it have access to all available 
space. I really don't want the drives whacked up into separate systems. 
I may yum remove samba and start over now that I see some of the problems?


I see netatalk ight be a better way to deal with the Apple devices? But 
I know they all work with samba. I guess I need to read and think some 
more about this, I'm already in over my head.


Bob

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-20 Thread Chris Murphy
I'm kinda coming into this discussion late.

SMB is pretty universal, so if you want to simplify you can just serve
over SMB. Windows, OS X, iOS, and Linux clients can all use it. For
iOS I'm finding FileExplorer Free By Steven Zhang.

There are some drawbacks using both SMB and NFS on the same directory:
there are different file name limitations, so it's possible to be
allowed to name a file via SMB, and then not access or delete the file
on NFS; and vice versa. And I think xattr aren't possible with NFS.

the data can be at pathtodata which would be a mount point for the
brick it's stored on; and then

# mount -B pathtodata smbshare
# mount -B pathtodata nfsshare

So you get different directories configured for SMB vs NFS sharing,
but due to the bind mount the underlying storage is the same.

Netatalk is an open source implementation of AFP (Apple Filing
Protocol). Presently Apple OS X starting with version 10.9 (about a
year ago) prefers SMB over AFP for file sharing. It still prefers AFP
over SMB for remote Time Machine Backups as there are some features
Time Machine needs that aren't available yet in SMB.

WebDAV sounds like it's viable also, having the benefit of better
performance externally (shares over the internet). I get a bunch of
file size limitation results with Google, but all seem to be Windows
(as host) limitations, not something inherent to WebDAV. There's also
some speculation that internal sharing via WedDAV doesn't perform as
well. But WebDAV's advantage is that it doesn't have ancient versions,
all of which SMB is expected to fall back on. I've found Samba to be
quite a bit more difficult to setup than either Netatalk or NFS. I
haven't done a WebDAV setup yet but it sounds interesting. What I'd
want to know is if remote modification is OK, rather than transfer
locally, modify, transfer back to remote - that's a PITA workflow I
think. Implies file locking is necessary.

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 11/20/14 17:56, Chris Murphy wrote:

I'm kinda coming into this discussion late.

SMB is pretty universal, so if you want to simplify you can just serve
over SMB. Windows, OS X, iOS, and Linux clients can all use it. For
iOS I'm finding FileExplorer Free By Steven Zhang.

There are some drawbacks using both SMB and NFS on the same directory:
there are different file name limitations, so it's possible to be
allowed to name a file via SMB, and then not access or delete the file
on NFS; and vice versa. And I think xattr aren't possible with NFS.

the data can be at pathtodata which would be a mount point for the
brick it's stored on; and then

# mount -B pathtodata smbshare
# mount -B pathtodata nfsshare

So you get different directories configured for SMB vs NFS sharing,
but due to the bind mount the underlying storage is the same.

Netatalk is an open source implementation of AFP (Apple Filing
Protocol). Presently Apple OS X starting with version 10.9 (about a
year ago) prefers SMB over AFP for file sharing. It still prefers AFP
over SMB for remote Time Machine Backups as there are some features
Time Machine needs that aren't available yet in SMB.

WebDAV sounds like it's viable also, having the benefit of better
performance externally (shares over the internet). I get a bunch of
file size limitation results with Google, but all seem to be Windows
(as host) limitations, not something inherent to WebDAV. There's also
some speculation that internal sharing via WedDAV doesn't perform as
well. But WebDAV's advantage is that it doesn't have ancient versions,
all of which SMB is expected to fall back on. I've found Samba to be
quite a bit more difficult to setup than either Netatalk or NFS. I
haven't done a WebDAV setup yet but it sounds interesting. What I'd
want to know is if remote modification is OK, rather than transfer
locally, modify, transfer back to remote - that's a PITA workflow I
think. Implies file locking is necessary.




We ran with Freenas/smb for six months or more and my main concern is 
the iPads and Mac portables. I used NFS because I am comfortable with 
it, put all my data, etc. on it. But I know Samba will do what's needed. 
I will probably set it up with Samba and forget NFS on that server. I'll 
put it off 'til tomorrow.


Thanks for your comments,

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-20 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:

 We ran with Freenas/smb for six months or more and my main concern is the
 iPads and Mac portables.

FreeNAS supports all of them now: AFP, NFS, SMB, WedDAV.

Using OS X as a client over NFS is - annoying. When it works, it's
fast. ~110MB/s sustained on big (10+MB) files. But on 10.9 it hangs
when copying files with xattrs, with a totally obscure error message.
It took days to realize it was due to xattr. On 10.10 I get different
results, kernel panics.

Otherwise I'd have suggested NFS across the board. Maybe there's a
trick or two to get either NFS on the client or server to ignore
xattr. It's almost always non-critical data; Apple embeds file type
and a creator (or preferred application) code into each file rather
than depending only on filename extensions.



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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread poma
On 19.11.2014 14:42, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 I just  changed my Freenas server to Linux NFS which works fine with my 
 Fedora 20 and 21a boxes as well as the Apple Mac computers on my LAN. 
 However Freenas also offered the ability to connect with smb and afs. I 
 used smb to enable testing with an old iPod, a minor capability that 
 I've lost with this change.
 
 Does anyone know of an iOS application that will enable NFS connection? 
 It looks to me that there is nothing ...
 
 Is there a way to have both NFS and Samba in the same server? I suspect 
 it's not practical but need to ask anyway.
 
 Bob
 

Did you consider ClearOS Community - reminiscent of CentOS with nice WebUI ;)
http://www.clearfoundation.com/Software/overview.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_derivatives

ClearOS Live Demo
http://www.clearfoundation.com/Software/live-demo.html


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 11/19/14 10:35, poma wrote:

Did you consider ClearOS Community - reminiscent of CentOS with nice WebUI;)
http://www.clearfoundation.com/Software/overview.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_derivatives

ClearOS Live Demo
http://www.clearfoundation.com/Software/live-demo.html



My situation does not lend itself to so-called cloud servers. We are 
in a rural area where high speed options are limited to radio.


My Viasat usage as of about 04:00 this morning:


 Welcome, Bob Goodwin


 CURRENT DATA USAGE

10.6GB

42% used of 25GB allowance

19 days remaining in the current billing period


The Mac users all utilize some Apple cloud storage which wreaks havoc 
with my usage. I configure the router to keep them off the iCloud except 
during the free of charge early morning hours. They can eat up 25 gigs 
in a few hours, from there my cost for more bandwidth doubles!


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread Derrik Walker v2.0

On 11/19/14, 8:42, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:



Is there a way to have both NFS and Samba in the same server? I 
suspect it's not practical but need to ask anyway.


Bob

Sure you can have Samba and NFS on the same server.  Why would you not 
be able too?


The only gotcha is, if you are using SELinux, there is a boolean that 
has to be set in order to have the same thing exported with both NFS and 
Samba.


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 11/19/14 11:32, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:


Is there a way to have both NFS and Samba in the same server? I 
suspect it's not practical but need to ask anyway.


Bob

Sure you can have Samba and NFS on the same server.  Why would you not 
be able too?


The only gotcha is, if you are using SELinux, there is a boolean that 
has to be set in order to have the same thing exported with both NFS 
and Samba.


- Derrik 



I simply did not know, that's why I asked. I'll see what I can find 
about doing that.


Thank you,

Bob


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread poma
On 19.11.2014 17:09, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 11/19/14 10:35, poma wrote:
 Did you consider ClearOS Community - reminiscent of CentOS with nice 
 WebUI;)
 http://www.clearfoundation.com/Software/overview.html
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_derivatives

 ClearOS Live Demo
 http://www.clearfoundation.com/Software/live-demo.html
 
 
 My situation does not lend itself to so-called cloud servers. We are 
 in a rural area where high speed options are limited to radio.
 
 My Viasat usage as of about 04:00 this morning:
 
 
   Welcome, Bob Goodwin
 
 
   CURRENT DATA USAGE
 
 10.6GB
 
 42% used of 25GB allowance
 
 19 days remaining in the current billing period
 
 
 The Mac users all utilize some Apple cloud storage which wreaks havoc 
 with my usage. I configure the router to keep them off the iCloud except 
 during the free of charge early morning hours. They can eat up 25 gigs 
 in a few hours, from there my cost for more bandwidth doubles!
 

ClearOS can be deployed on e.g. Amazon EC2, sure
http://www.clearcenter.com/support/documentation/clearos_install_guide/amazon_ec2
but this is only one possible purpose.

You might prefer to compare it with FreeNAS, only ClearOS is Linux in the 
heart, not BSD.


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 11/19/14 11:52, poma wrote:

ClearOS can be deployed on e.g. Amazon EC2, sure
http://www.clearcenter.com/support/documentation/clearos_install_guide/amazon_ec2
but this is only one possible purpose.

You might prefer to compare it with FreeNAS, only ClearOS is Linux in the 
heart, not BSD.


Well I'm sure that's worth considering but I've had good results with 
NFS for several years, it always seems to work no matter what I do.


BSD was not the problem with Freenas, it worked fine until I thought I 
would change a directory name with the Thunar file manager, things quite 
working, I changed the name back, no help! I had offended it somehow. It 
seems everything done to configuration has to be done with the GUI 
provided and that has it's peculiarities. I'm sure the developers can 
manipulate things from the command line but I couldn't.


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread poma
On 19.11.2014 17:41, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 11/19/14 11:32, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:

 Is there a way to have both NFS and Samba in the same server? I 
 suspect it's not practical but need to ask anyway.

 Bob

 Sure you can have Samba and NFS on the same server.  Why would you not 
 be able too?

 The only gotcha is, if you are using SELinux, there is a boolean that 
 has to be set in order to have the same thing exported with both NFS 
 and Samba.

 - Derrik 
 
 
 I simply did not know, that's why I asked. I'll see what I can find 
 about doing that.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Bob
 


Chapter 14. Samba

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide/chap-Managing_Confined_Services-Samba.html

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/pdf/SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7-SELinux_Users_and_Administrators_Guide-en-US.pdf#__WKANCHOR_70

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net 
said:
 BSD was not the problem with Freenas, it worked fine until I thought
 I would change a directory name with the Thunar file manager, things
 quite working, I changed the name back, no help! I had offended it
 somehow. It seems everything done to configuration has to be done
 with the GUI provided and that has it's peculiarities. I'm sure the
 developers can manipulate things from the command line but I
 couldn't.

We have a TrueNAS (commercial version of FreeNAS) at work, and it looks
like there's really no actual CLI.  We had significant problems with NFS
(used it for storing email in Maildir format), and we worked with the
developers on tracking it down.  Watching them work, they did stuff by
hand and/or went into Python (or even SQLite directly) to make changes.
There did not appear to be any CLI-type tools to manage it.

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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread poma
On 19.11.2014 18:16, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 11/19/14 11:52, poma wrote:
 Clear-OS can be deployed on e.g. Amazon EC2, sure
 http://www.clearcenter.com/support/documentation/clearos_install_guide/amazon_ec2
 but this is only one possible purpose.

 You might prefer to compare it with FreeNAS, only ClearOS is Linux in the 
 heart, not BSD.
 
 Well I'm sure that's worth considering but I've had good results with 
 NFS for several years, it always seems to work no matter what I do.
 

Of course ClearOS can be an NFS server also, therefore.
I mention it only for the reasons you probably work more easily with GUI i.e. 
WebUI.

 BSD was not the problem with Freenas, it worked fine until I thought I 
 would change a directory name with the Thunar file manager, things quite 
 working, I changed the name back, no help! I had offended it somehow. It 
 seems everything done to configuration has to be done with the GUI 
 provided and that has it's peculiarities. I'm sure the developers can 
 manipulate things from the command line but I couldn't.
 

BSD doesn't like us! :)


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Re: OT: NFS and iOS -

2014-11-19 Thread poma
On 19.11.2014 18:27, Chris Adams wrote:
 Once upon a time, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net 
 said:
 BSD was not the problem with Freenas, it worked fine until I thought
 I would change a directory name with the Thunar file manager, things
 quite working, I changed the name back, no help! I had offended it
 somehow. It seems everything done to configuration has to be done
 with the GUI provided and that has it's peculiarities. I'm sure the
 developers can manipulate things from the command line but I
 couldn't.
 
 We have a TrueNAS (commercial version of FreeNAS) at work, and it looks
 like there's really no actual CLI.  We had significant problems with NFS
 (used it for storing email in Maildir format), and we worked with the
 developers on tracking it down.  Watching them work, they did stuff by
 hand and/or went into Python (or even SQLite directly) to make changes.
 There did not appear to be any CLI-type tools to manage it.
 

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FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE-p12 (FREENAS.i386) #0 r262572+b043649: Sun Sep 28 23:03:05 
PDT 2014

FreeNAS (c) 2009-2014, The FreeNAS Development Team
All rights reserved.
FreeNAS is released under the modified BSD license.

For more information, documentation, help or support, go here:
http://freenas.org
Welcome to FreeNAS
[root@freenas] ~# echo $0
-csh
[root@freenas] ~# service sshd rcvar
# sshd
#
sshd_enable=YES
#   (default: )

[root@freenas] ~# service sshd status
sshd is running as pid 2960.
[root@freenas] ~# service nfsd rcvar
# nfsd
#
nfs_server_enable=YES
#   (default: )

[root@freenas] ~# service nfsd status
nfsd is running as pid 1913 1915.
[root@freenas] ~# 

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