Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-07 Thread Rex Dieter
Tom Horsley wrote:

 Can we vote for features we want removed, like multilib

that's not a yum feature, but a distribution-wide one.

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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-07 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 I don't prefer to wait at all and
 want the process to go as fast as it can.   I have to deal with many more
 updates as a package maintainer and slowing me down will reduce the amount
 of time I can spend getting users the updates they want.  So it likely
 affects you indirectly as well.

I sympathize with you, since I have always found your contributions
very helpful, and I'm sure you have a busy schedule helping us all.
But surely you are a special case, and must use many tools
most of us know nothing about.

For me, the essential properties of yum are simplicity and reliability.
Speed is not that important, as like Steven earlier
I don't mind doing something else while yum is running;
I usually run yum update while having my breakfast,
and don't mind in the slightest turning to the crossword while it runs,
although actually I can read my email at the same time.

I think Fedora is too quick jumping to innovations
without thinking of the cost in added complexity.

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e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland


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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:


 For me, the essential properties of yum are simplicity and reliability.
 Speed is not that important,


Sure but if you can get better speed without sacrificing the things you
care about (since dnf essentially has the same command line options and
configuration), why wouldn't you take it?

Rahul
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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/06/14 20:46, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
 The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're 
 wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they have 
 got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put together a very short 
 and simple survey. Let your opinion be heard!

 http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/06/06/vote-for-yum-features-that-you-miss-in-dnf/ 

Thanks for the heads up.  Knowing it will be F22 (with F21 not even due out 
till October) will give folks plenty of time to hone their dnf skills.  IMO, 
for many (majority?) it will be a drop-in replacement for yum.

And thanks for including Other thing you'd like to tell us in the survey.

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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-06 Thread Tom Horsley
 The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're 
 wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they 
 have got recently in Yum?

Can we vote for features we want removed, like multilib? (Actually I guess
that is an rpm abomination, not a yum abomination, but it still ought
to be removed and all the rpms properly split into noarch, i686, and
x86_64 parts :-).
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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-06 Thread Jan Zelený
On 6. 6. 2014 at 09:33:03, Tom Horsley wrote:
  The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're
  wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they
  have got recently in Yum?
 
 Can we vote for features we want removed, like multilib? (Actually I guess
 that is an rpm abomination, not a yum abomination, but it still ought
 to be removed and all the rpms properly split into noarch, i686, and
 x86_64 parts :-).

Proposals welcome, we can create a poll later ;-) Although I'm pretty sure 
multilib is one of the things that are here to stay in the foreseeable future.

Thanks
Jan
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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 14:46 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
 Hello,
 
 The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're 
 wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they 
 have got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put together a 
 very short and simple survey. Let your opinion be heard!
 
 http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/06/06/vote-for-yum-features-that-you-miss-in-dnf/

Can the default configuration still leave you without a working kernel
or has that been fixed?

poc

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RE: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-06 Thread Luke Nath


 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:46:23 +0200
 From: akozu...@redhat.com
 To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org; yum-de...@lists.baseurl.org; 
 users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!
 
 Hello,
 
 The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're 
 wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they 
 have got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put together a 
 very short and simple survey. Let your opinion be heard!
 
 http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/06/06/vote-for-yum-features-that-you-miss-in-dnf/
 
 Ales
 -- 

I have never used dnf.
Does it have a GUI front end like Yumex?
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Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-06 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Jun 6, 2014 6:16 PM, Ales Kozumplik akozu...@redhat.com wrote:

 Hello,

 The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're
wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they have
got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put together a very
short and simple survey. Let your opinion be heard!


http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/06/06/vote-for-yum-features-that-you-miss-in-dnf/

 Ales
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yum-plugin-local is that been implemented in dnf.

-Sudhir.
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