Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Frank Murphy writes: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 03:19:40 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> Would it do any harm if I changed /etc/fedora-release to >> "... (Schrödingers Katze)"? >> > > I don't believe so, you may have to tweak bzs' > sent through abrt. Thanks --- I better leave it then, it would be easier to tweak the signature ... -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Thanks FWIW, there is a "workaround" to make the ugly entry in the boot menu disappear: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg This will change the menu entry to something like "Fedora, with Linux 3.9.9-301.fc19.x86_64" - no more umlauts, no more apostrophes (apostrophe's?)... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/14/2013 11:54 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Historically in English. Otherwise the example they give, "Jesus'", would have to be written in Greek. (Or possibly Aramaic). Greek. "Jesus" isn't a word used in either Hebrew or Aramaic, but it is the greek translation of "Joshua." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 03:19:40 +0200 lee wrote: > Would it do any harm if I changed /etc/fedora-release to > "... (Schrödingers Katze)"? > I don't believe so, you may have to tweak bzs' sent through abrt. -- Regards, Frank "When in doubt PANIC!" I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 15 July 2013 02:19, lee wrote: > Ian Malone writes: > >> I like the Strunk and White recommendation which is "'s" for names >> except those that have historically used "s'". > > Historically, it's "Schrödingers Katze", i. e. neither "s'", nor "s's". > He was from Austria and has been living for some time in Germany[1], so > he probably spoke German. Austrias official language is German[2]. > > The distinction between "Schrödingers'" and "Schrödingers" doesn't exist > in that language. We'd have to look at a quote from him to figure out > which one it might be. > > Would it do any harm if I changed /etc/fedora-release to > "... (Schrödingers Katze)"? > Historically in English. Otherwise the example they give, "Jesus'", would have to be written in Greek. (Or possibly Aramaic). Basically wriggle room to do what you feel like provided you're not selling melon's. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Ian Malone writes: > I like the Strunk and White recommendation which is "'s" for names > except those that have historically used "s'". Historically, it's "Schrödingers Katze", i. e. neither "s'", nor "s's". He was from Austria and has been living for some time in Germany[1], so he probably spoke German. Austrias official language is German[2]. The distinction between "Schrödingers'" and "Schrödingers" doesn't exist in that language. We'd have to look at a quote from him to figure out which one it might be. Would it do any harm if I changed /etc/fedora-release to "... (Schrödingers Katze)"? [1]: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger [2]: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtssprache_(Österreich) -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 14 July 2013 13:27, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:50:25PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 07/13/2013 05:28 PM, lee wrote: >> >What if the guy was called "Waterfalls"? "Waterfalls' cat"? >> Either that or, "Waterfalls's cat." Both are currently acceptable, >> at least in American English. > > Yeah. Although there's probably no chance of confusion here, Waterfalls' has > some ambiguity because an apostrophe after the "s" indicates a plural > possessive. That is, it could either be a cat belonging to the guy named > Waterfalls, or to the whole Waterfall family, and if you don't know which > the name is, you can't tell from that fragment alone. So usually s's is the > more modern recommendation, but it looks weird and wrong to many > traditionalists. > > > This is kind of off topic, I suppose. :) I like the Strunk and White recommendation which is "'s" for names except those that have historically used "s'". It's also old enough and light enough that you can carry it in your pocket to thwack any traditionalists who disagree. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Am 14.07.2013 00:04, schrieb Digimer: > On 13/07/13 09:31, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: >>> Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, >>> like in /etc/fedora-release: >>> Schrödinger’s Cat >> >> that's a known problem and the result of careless >> choosen release-names with special chars > > I'd lay the blame with apps not using utf8 in 2013 I'd blame make decisions before make sure they work there are a lot of places where special chars can be non-trivial, far away from UTF8 or not signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:50:25PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/13/2013 05:28 PM, lee wrote: > >What if the guy was called "Waterfalls"? "Waterfalls' cat"? > Either that or, "Waterfalls's cat." Both are currently acceptable, > at least in American English. Yeah. Although there's probably no chance of confusion here, Waterfalls' has some ambiguity because an apostrophe after the "s" indicates a plural possessive. That is, it could either be a cat belonging to the guy named Waterfalls, or to the whole Waterfall family, and if you don't know which the name is, you can't tell from that fragment alone. So usually s's is the more modern recommendation, but it looks weird and wrong to many traditionalists. This is kind of off topic, I suppose. :) -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/13/2013 07:36 PM, Roger wrote: On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. That's the best answer I've seen in a log time, most humorous Definitely, but my son just pointed out: F-undamental T-ransH-umAnism T-echnologies = F-THAT!! LOL! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 7/13/2013 4:36 PM, Roger wrote: On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. That's the best answer I've seen in a log time, most humorous Thank You. -- An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. -Benjamin Franklin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/13/2013 05:28 PM, lee wrote: What if the guy was called "Waterfalls"? "Waterfalls' cat"? Either that or, "Waterfalls's cat." Both are currently acceptable, at least in American English. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Fernando Cassia writes: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: >> There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? > (Boot Manager for Humans) I'm not sure if I want to be booted. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Steven Stern writes: > On 07/13/2013 02:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: >>> There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > Will someone who sees the stuff with umlauts and a proper apostrophe > please post their grub boot stanza? Thanks. linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.9.9-301.fc19.x86_64 [...] KEYTABLE=de-latin1-nodeadkeys LANG=en_US.UTF-8 IIRC, it was displayed correctly, and I doubt that these parameters are responsible for that. Besides, I end up with an English keyboard layout on the console after upgrading to F19, as if that keymap is never loaded. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Fred Smith writes: >> BTW, why is it "Schrödinger's" and not "Schrödingers"? Schrödinger >> wasn't a cat. > > because "'s" is the possessive form (at least in English), meaning > we're referring to something that belonged to "Schrödinger", while > the second form you show (i.e., sans apostrophe) means multiple > people/entities/things called Schrödinger. Ohh! Really? I never understood that before and it never made sense. There's no such distinction in German. What if the guy was called "Waterfalls"? "Waterfalls' cat"? -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. That's the best answer I've seen in a log time, most humorous -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 13/07/13 09:31, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with special chars I'd lay the blame with apps not using utf8 in 2013. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, > like in /etc/fedora-release: > Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with special chars signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. -- An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. -Benjamin Franklin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/13/2013 02:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: >> There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? > (Boot Manager for Humans) > > FC > I added this to the kernel line in grub.conf and it made the display of the OS name even worse: SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 Will someone who sees the stuff with umlauts and a proper apostrophe please post their grub boot stanza? Thanks. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern wrote: > On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: > > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in > > the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödingerâs Cat. > > > > Thanks > > I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't > unicode, but the OS name is coded that way. > I see it as Schrödinger’s Cat with the umlaut and apostrophe, I also see tux by 4 siiting along the top of the screen, during a non-plymouth bootup. I also never use grub2-mkconfig. -- Regards, Frank "When in doubt PANIC!" I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/13/2013 02:13 PM, Doug wrote: On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: /snip/ Schrödinger's Cat is a wallpaper, the default on Korora, and perhaps on Fedora also. ` BTW, why is it "Schrödinger's" and not "Schrödingers"? Schrödinger wasn't a cat. Schrödinger was a philosopher who dreamed up a thought experiment involving a theoretical cat. Look up Schödinger's Cat on Google. BTW: It's acceptable to spell the philosopher's name "Schroedinger" if you don't have any umlauts in you machine. --doug Erwin Schrödinger was a Physicist, not a philosopher. His cat example was a logical explanation of the quantum mechanical principal of uncertainty. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: > Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > >> Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the >> menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) > > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > /snip/ Schrödinger's Cat is a wallpaper, the default on Korora, and perhaps on Fedora also. > ` > > > BTW, why is it "Schrödinger's" and not "Schrödingers"? Schrödinger > wasn't a cat. > > Schrödinger was a philosopher who dreamed up a thought experiment involving a theoretical cat. Look up Schödinger's Cat on Google. BTW: It's acceptable to spell the philosopher's name "Schroedinger" if you don't have any umlauts in you machine. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern wrote: > I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, > but the OS name is coded that way. Just show how successful unicode support has been after all these decades :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödingerâs Cat. > > Thanks I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, but the OS name is coded that way. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 04:39:32PM +0200, lee wrote: > Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > > > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) > > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > > , > | [...] > | if [ x$feature_default_font_path = xy ] ; then > |font=unicode > | else > | insmod part_msdos > | insmod ext2 > | set root='hd2,msdos2' > | if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then > | search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint='hd2,msdos2' > 5d251fe7-3b96-4aaa-9031-26400fd3bbc0 > | else > | search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root > 5d251fe7-3b96-4aaa-9031-26400fd3bbc0 > | fi > | font="/usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2" > | fi > | > | if loadfont $font ; then > | set gfxmode=auto > | load_video > | insmod gfxterm > | set locale_dir=$prefix/locale > | set lang=en_US > | insmod gettext > | fi > | terminal_output gfxterm > | [...] > ` > > > BTW, why is it "Schrödinger's" and not "Schrödingers"? Schrödinger > wasn't a cat. because "'s" is the possessive form (at least in English), meaning we're referring to something that belonged to "Schrödinger", while the second form you show (i.e., sans apostrophe) means multiple people/entities/things called Schrödinger. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good. - Proverbs 15:3 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat
Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: , | [...] | if [ x$feature_default_font_path = xy ] ; then |font=unicode | else | insmod part_msdos | insmod ext2 | set root='hd2,msdos2' | if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then | search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint='hd2,msdos2' 5d251fe7-3b96-4aaa-9031-26400fd3bbc0 | else | search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 5d251fe7-3b96-4aaa-9031-26400fd3bbc0 | fi | font="/usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2" | fi | | if loadfont $font ; then | set gfxmode=auto | load_video | insmod gfxterm | set locale_dir=$prefix/locale | set lang=en_US | insmod gettext | fi | terminal_output gfxterm | [...] ` BTW, why is it "Schrödinger's" and not "Schrödingers"? Schrödinger wasn't a cat. -- Fedora 19 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org