Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2013-07-07 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net

| I take it you are referring to modern machines?  This one was new in '81, I 
| think. Maybe '82.?

I'm confused.  What machine built in 1981 or 1982 can run Fedora?  A
recent enough one that you can file a BZ on (i.e. F17, F18, F19)?

Heck, I vaguely recall that soft-sectoring wasn't even universal then.

(My NABU-1600 is from that era.  It runs (essentially) 7th Edition
UNIX.  It has a quad-density 5.25 floppy drive and an ST506-class
hard drive.  Fedora requires way more RAM than there is hard drive on
that machine (10M).)
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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2013-07-07 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
I'm sorry about my last message.  I got into a time warp and replied
to a mesage from Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:26:48 -0500!
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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 20:36 +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: 
 I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But
 it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I
 create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required?
 
 JB
 

I would suggest changing to pen drives. They are potentially much larger
than floppies in capacity and most machines have extra places to insert
them.

OT - If anyone is intrigued by the Windows 7 with Touch Screen and Web
Cam capabilities here is a tip. You need 5 usb ports for the various
gadgets, and my Dell came with 4 on the back of the machine. Inserting a
usb  hub caused the machine to crash.
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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 February 2010, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 20:36 +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
 I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But
 it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I
 create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as
 required?

 JB

I would suggest changing to pen drives. They are potentially much larger
than floppies in capacity and most machines have extra places to insert
them.

I take it you are referring to modern machines?  This one was new in '81, I 
think. Maybe '82.?

OT - If anyone is intrigued by the Windows 7 with Touch Screen and Web
Cam capabilities here is a tip. You need 5 usb ports for the various
gadgets, and my Dell came with 4 on the back of the machine. Inserting a
usb  hub caused the machine to crash.

Obviously, they didn't invent it, so of course it was crippled by M$, they 
never miss the chance to force an 'upgrade'.  To linux of course.

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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 20:17:36 -0800,
  Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote:
 Bruno:
 
 Thanks for the reply. Let me/us know what the bug ID is of what you end 
 of submitting as I have this feeling it will all end up be related and a 
 fix in one will impact the other.

I created bug 567533 for the no /dev/fd0 after boot part of this problem.
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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 20:36:09 +,
  n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 
 I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But
 it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I
 create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required?

I haven't gotten around to filing a bug about this since I wasn't sure
if it was intentional or not, but you can use:
modprobe floppy
to create /dev/fd0 and be able to use your floppy drive.
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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-21 Thread Ralph Blach
What is a floppy drive???

Well seriously, I think their are better options now.

I used an 8 inch floppy a long time ago

Chip

n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:

 I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But
 it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I
 create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required?

 JB


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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-21 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 21 February 2010 22:23, Ralph Blach rcbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I used an 8 inch floppy a long time ago

*must* *resist* *smutty* *jokes*

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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 20:36:09 +,
   n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com wrote:
   
 I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But
 it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I
 create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required?
 

 I haven't gotten around to filing a bug about this since I wasn't sure
 if it was intentional or not, but you can use:
 modprobe floppy
 to create /dev/fd0 and be able to use your floppy drive.
   
I filed one awhile back, don't know if it fits your issue. Before filing 
I did check to see the /dev/fd0 and/or the link to /dev/floppy existed. 
I haven't again tested recently above and beyond confirming that it 
wasn't working under f12 (the bug was filed under f11)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741
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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 14:45:59 -0800,
  Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote:
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741

I am already cc'd on that one. Though I suspect my issue is a udev
one, not a nautilus one.

P.S. I did get the wx8000s flashed, though the latest bios still didn't
support booting from USB drives. I used a floppy to do it, though in
the future I would probably take a look at using flashrom to do bios
flashing.
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Re: What happened to floppy drive support?

2010-02-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 14:45:59 -0800,
   Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote:
   
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741
 

 I am already cc'd on that one. Though I suspect my issue is a udev
 one, not a nautilus one.

 P.S. I did get the wx8000s flashed, though the latest bios still didn't
 support booting from USB drives. I used a floppy to do it, though in
 the future I would probably take a look at using flashrom to do bios
 flashing.

   
Bruno:

Thanks for the reply. Let me/us know what the bug ID is of what you end 
of submitting as I have this feeling it will all end up be related and a 
fix in one will impact the other.

I haven't flashed my wx8000 nor moved it from F9 as it works quite 
nicely and don't want to mess. Not to mention I really don't want to 
deal with what happens if I make a mistake in flashing.

The bug was submitted against x4000 which no longer have BIOS updates 
and I know they are at the latest.

Plus, I have to admit a floppy drive is only a convenience for me, not a 
mandatory.

Paul
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