Re: LVM [WAS Re: Yum cache memory space -]
Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.09.2012 21:35, schrieb Steven Stern: On 09/06/2012 01:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/06/2012 11:23 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: For which I am deeply grateful. Most of the time LVM is fine, even preferred, but some times I really want it my way and now that's easy. Personally, I find LVM to be a great solution looking for a problem. I only have one LVM partition, and that's only because I forgot to turn it off when I created it. Of course, I'm only using Fedora for my home computer, and I can see how useful it can be in a production environment. Maybe what we need is for anaconda to ask if this is a home or production installation, and have LVM default to off for home, on for production? If it were simple then LVM would be wonderful. If, on detecting a new drive, the system would say Hey, you have a new drive. Do you want me to extend one or more existing partitions there?, it would be workable. But it's not that easy. and this is good so why? because many naive people would say yes extend without realize what happens if you have a LVM over 6 physical drives without a RAID after one of the drives is dying Having anything over multiple drives without RAID means you really know what you are doing, or really *don't* know what you are doing. At least with LVM you can get rid of the failing part if it doesn't die before you do. I agree the LVM is really hard to use, because the UI was designed by someone who doesn't think the way I do. My impression is that a lot of other people share this opinion. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum cache memory space -
Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.09.2012 18:52, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni: Error Downloading Packages: 1:libreoffice-core-3.5.6.2-2.fc17.x86_64: Insufficient space in download directory /var/cache/yum/x86_64/17/updates/packages * free 45 M * needed 70 M [root@box9 bobg]# df -h shows: /dev/sda2 1.5G 1.5G 0 100% /var Perhaps I should have allocated space differently? looks like or you edit /etc/yum.conf - cachedir=/var/cache/yum to somewhere else Can I just clear /var/cache/yum/x86_64/17/updates/packages? you can even rm -rf /var/cache/yum/* done this hundrets of times on many machines in the past years I don't think that was his question. And unless you are doing something very unusual, why would you not use yum clean all to preserve the structure? suspect that if I could it should happen without my help? why should it? if /etc/yum.conf contains keepcache=1 it is supposed to keep -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum cache memory space -
Am 05.09.2012 18:52, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni: Error Downloading Packages: 1:libreoffice-core-3.5.6.2-2.fc17.x86_64: Insufficient space in download directory /var/cache/yum/x86_64/17/updates/packages * free 45 M * needed 70 M [root@box9 bobg]# df -h shows: /dev/sda2 1.5G 1.5G 0 100% /var Perhaps I should have allocated space differently? looks like or you edit /etc/yum.conf - cachedir=/var/cache/yum to somewhere else Can I just clear /var/cache/yum/x86_64/17/updates/packages? you can even rm -rf /var/cache/yum/* done this hundrets of times on many machines in the past years suspect that if I could it should happen without my help? why should it? if /etc/yum.conf contains keepcache=1 it is supposed to keep signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LVM [WAS Re: Yum cache memory space -]
Am 06.09.2012 21:35, schrieb Steven Stern: On 09/06/2012 01:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/06/2012 11:23 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: For which I am deeply grateful. Most of the time LVM is fine, even preferred, but some times I really want it my way and now that's easy. Personally, I find LVM to be a great solution looking for a problem. I only have one LVM partition, and that's only because I forgot to turn it off when I created it. Of course, I'm only using Fedora for my home computer, and I can see how useful it can be in a production environment. Maybe what we need is for anaconda to ask if this is a home or production installation, and have LVM default to off for home, on for production? If it were simple then LVM would be wonderful. If, on detecting a new drive, the system would say Hey, you have a new drive. Do you want me to extend one or more existing partitions there?, it would be workable. But it's not that easy. and this is good so why? because many naive people would say yes extend without realize what happens if you have a LVM over 6 physical drives without a RAID after one of the drives is dying signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum cache memory space -
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Yes, I suppose you're right but I wanted to partition it myself instead of the usual lvm. I will live with my mistakes, hopefully get it right next time. There is a use lvm checkbox that you can uncheck during installation. You are no longer forced to use LVM. For which I am deeply grateful. Most of the time LVM is fine, even preferred, but some times I really want it my way and now that's easy. Some thoughts on this problem: 1 - 1.5GB is too small for /var 2 - try yum clean all and restarting the upgrade, or even doing it in steps. 3 - you may have to bind mount a directory in a larger filesystem on /var/cache/yum to get by this. Yes it's a PITA. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum cache memory space -
On 09/06/2012 11:23 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: For which I am deeply grateful. Most of the time LVM is fine, even preferred, but some times I really want it my way and now that's easy. Personally, I find LVM to be a great solution looking for a problem. I only have one LVM partition, and that's only because I forgot to turn it off when I created it. Of course, I'm only using Fedora for my home computer, and I can see how useful it can be in a production environment. Maybe what we need is for anaconda to ask if this is a home or production installation, and have LVM default to off for home, on for production? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
LVM [WAS Re: Yum cache memory space -]
On 09/06/2012 01:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/06/2012 11:23 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: For which I am deeply grateful. Most of the time LVM is fine, even preferred, but some times I really want it my way and now that's easy. Personally, I find LVM to be a great solution looking for a problem. I only have one LVM partition, and that's only because I forgot to turn it off when I created it. Of course, I'm only using Fedora for my home computer, and I can see how useful it can be in a production environment. Maybe what we need is for anaconda to ask if this is a home or production installation, and have LVM default to off for home, on for production? If it were simple then LVM would be wonderful. If, on detecting a new drive, the system would say Hey, you have a new drive. Do you want me to extend one or more existing partitions there?, it would be workable. But it's not that easy. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum cache memory space -
Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Perhaps I should have allocated space differently? Yes. It makes little sense to set hard partitions on root folders on a desktop system. Allow the Fedora installer to setup default partitions. There is little reason besides personal preference to choose a custom partitioning scheme for a desktop/laptop used by one person. Can I just clear /var/cache/yum/x86_64/17/updates/packages? I suspect that if I could it should happen without my help? # yum clean packages Please see: $ man yum For a full listing of yum commands. There are many. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum cache memory space -
On 05/09/12 13:56, Michael Cronenworth responds: Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Perhaps I should have allocated space differently? Yes. It makes little sense to set hard partitions on root folders on a desktop system. Allow the Fedora installer to setup default partitions. There is little reason besides personal preference to choose a custom partitioning scheme for a desktop/laptop used by one person. Yes, I suppose you're right but I wanted to partition it myself instead of the usual lvm. I will live with my mistakes, hopefully get it right next time. Can I just clear /var/cache/yum/x86_64/17/updates/packages? I suspect that if I could it should happen without my help? # yum clean packages Please see: $ man yum For a full listing of yum commands. There are many. I tried several of the things shown under yum clean, packages was one of them, metadata another. I'm still struggling with error messages, probably created by my trying to stop yum early this morning when it did nothing but try new mirrors. I should have stuck with the CTRL+c longer. Pushing the reset button was not the thing to do, I knew that at the time but nothing worked. Thanks. Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box9 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum cache memory space -
Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Yes, I suppose you're right but I wanted to partition it myself instead of the usual lvm. I will live with my mistakes, hopefully get it right next time. There is a use lvm checkbox that you can uncheck during installation. You are no longer forced to use LVM. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
