Re: mailinglist issues (Was: Fedora-like Linux for 1.99GB RAM?)

2014-06-02 Thread David
On 6/2/2014 3:30 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 01, 2014 at 03:28:24PM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
>>
>> Ed Greshko  writes:
>>> On 06/01/14 10:14, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Off topic. Is this email sent from your personal email server?
>>> I am asking because Google shows a warning that they can't verify
>>> if this message was sent by the wsrcc.com.
>>>
>>> You get this warning because of this header in the email.
>>>
>>> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
>>>spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
>>> users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org designates 209.132.181.2 as permitted 
>>> sender) smtp.mail=users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org;
>>>dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@;
>>>dmarc=fail (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=wsrcc.com
>>
>> Bingo.  Right on the money.
>>
>>> I've not looked into itbut I don't think dkim/dmarc works very
>>> well with mailing lists.
>>
>> It can.  Mailman has already been changed to take ownership of the
>> "From:" line pointing it to some list-owned address and injecting a
>> reply-to optionally to allow unicast msgs to work too.
>>
>> The problem is that mailing lists forging From addresses looks the same
>> to software as a spammer forging the same.  No progress is going to be
>> made till mailing lists stop doing that.
> 
> I guess this explains why a lot of mailinglist posts started going to
> spam on Gmail recently (including this message).  This started about 2
> months ago.
> 


The only mailing list emails that Gmail sends to spam, for me, are those
that come from Linux users that have their own email server(s). And all
of those come from post to Linux mailing lists.

-- 

  David
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org


Re: mailinglist issues (Was: Fedora-like Linux for 1.99GB RAM?)

2014-06-02 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Sun, Jun 01, 2014 at 03:28:24PM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> 
> Ed Greshko  writes:
> > On 06/01/14 10:14, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Off topic. Is this email sent from your personal email server?
> > I am asking because Google shows a warning that they can't verify
> > if this message was sent by the wsrcc.com.
> >
> > You get this warning because of this header in the email.
> >
> > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
> >spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
> > users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org designates 209.132.181.2 as permitted 
> > sender) smtp.mail=users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org;
> >dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@;
> >dmarc=fail (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=wsrcc.com
> 
> Bingo.  Right on the money.
> 
> > I've not looked into itbut I don't think dkim/dmarc works very
> > well with mailing lists.
> 
> It can.  Mailman has already been changed to take ownership of the
> "From:" line pointing it to some list-owned address and injecting a
> reply-to optionally to allow unicast msgs to work too.
> 
> The problem is that mailing lists forging From addresses looks the same
> to software as a spammer forging the same.  No progress is going to be
> made till mailing lists stop doing that.

I guess this explains why a lot of mailinglist posts started going to
spam on Gmail recently (including this message).  This started about 2
months ago.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org