Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mike Zingale zing...@gmail.com said:
 Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
 through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
 in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
 that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
 bell/pc speaker working?

AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore.  The best you
can do is enable the alert sound effect, assuming you have a sound
device in the computer and speakers connected.

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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
 Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
 through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
 in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
 that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
 bell/pc speaker working?

 AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
 PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore.  The best you
 can do is enable the alert sound effect, assuming you have a sound
 device in the computer and speakers connected.

Why has PulseAudio author decided so?

Paul
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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread nathan forbes
Probably cause its generally extremely annoying =p
On Jan 5, 2011 12:00 PM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
 Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
 through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
 in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
 that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
 bell/pc speaker working?

 AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
 PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore.  The best you
 can do is enable the alert sound effect, assuming you have a sound
 device in the computer and speakers connected.

 Why has PulseAudio author decided so?

 Paul
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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Chris Adams writes:


Once upon a time, Mike Zingale zing...@gmail.com said:

Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
bell/pc speaker working?


AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore.  The best you
can do is enable the alert sound effect, assuming you have a sound
device in the computer and speakers connected.


That only works in metacity. Does not work in Compiz.



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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Mike Zingale
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
 Chris Adams writes:

 Once upon a time, Mike Zingale zing...@gmail.com said:

 Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
 through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
 in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
 that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
 bell/pc speaker working?

 AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
 PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore.  The best you
 can do is enable the alert sound effect, assuming you have a sound
 device in the computer and speakers connected.

 That only works in metacity. Does not work in Compiz.


unfortunately, I don't have any sound device on this machine -- it's a
server motherboard.  There is a PC speaker, so I liked having that
beep give the alerts.  Seems strange that they would remove this basic
functionality.  I'll think about filling a bug report.
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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 10:30 -0600 schrieb Chris Adams:
 Once upon a time, Mike Zingale zing...@gmail.com said:
  Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
  through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
  in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
  that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
  bell/pc speaker working?
 
 AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
 PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore. 

.. but nevertheless for those who still want it, he provided a module
that can be installed with 

# yum install pulseaudio-module-x11

to get the old behavior back.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Christoph Wickert
christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
  through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
  in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
  that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
  bell/pc speaker working?

 AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
 PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore.

 .. but nevertheless for those who still want it, he provided a module
 that can be installed with

 # yum install pulseaudio-module-x11

 to get the old behavior back.

Thanks, Christoph, but it does not work; well, at least here, on a
x86_64 machine running F14.

Paul
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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com said:
 Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 10:30 -0600 schrieb Chris Adams:
  Once upon a time, Mike Zingale zing...@gmail.com said:
   Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
   through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
   in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
   that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
   bell/pc speaker working?
  
  AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
  PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore. 
 
 .. but nevertheless for those who still want it, he provided a module
 that can be installed with 
 
 # yum install pulseaudio-module-x11
 
 to get the old behavior back.

That module has pulseaudio catch the X beep and turn it into a sound
effect (out the sound card/speakers), similar to what metacity does.  If
you are running compiz instead of metacity, you would use that module to
get a sound file played instead of a PC speaker beep.

The real problem is that metacity takes the decision away from the user;
it is hard coded to catch the X beep itself, and you _can't_ have PC
speaker beeps with metacity, only sound effects.  There's a year-old bug
in the GNOME Bugzilla to revert that (especially since it makes a lot
more sense for pulseaudio to do it, not the window manager), but it has
been ignored by the metacity developer(s).

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607906

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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

2011-01-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com said:
 AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
 PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore.  The best you
 can do is enable the alert sound effect, assuming you have a sound
 device in the computer and speakers connected.
 
 That only works in metacity. Does not work in Compiz.

See my follow-up message; basically, compiz doesn't catch the X beep (as
it shouldn't), so load the pcspkr module (it isn't loaded by default)
and you should get the PC speaker beep.

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