Re: Samsung ML1640
On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 17:33 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: Check ebay for Continuous Ink Systems (CIS) made in China. Then you can buy ink in bulk (bottles) and refill automagically to your heart´s content. Still doesn't get around the head clogging issues... I've used printers with heads built into the ink cartridge, and separate heads, they've all clogged up badly, and some very quickly. And the waste of expensive overpriced ink, during all the head cleaning cycles. It's a bad technology. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 00:42, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I've used printers with heads built into the ink cartridge, and separate heads, they've all clogged up badly, and some very quickly. Well, I agree, to a degree, but there´s workarounds, like scheduling a print job of some picture every 10 days or so. Since I have my inkjets connected to a network print server, this is easy to do. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 14:44 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: I don´t see a movement by consumers to clearly ask printer manufacturers to identify the standards used on the box. Is there one? The trouble is that most computer users are used to the idea of installing drivers with hardware (and, unfortunately, used to general crappiness in products), the concept of a driver-less install is almost unheard of. And come the time that their OS has surpassed the driver, their (generally crappy) printer is nearly worn out, or consumables are hard to get, or ridiculously expensive, so they'll buy a new one, and repeat the cycle. Printers are a prime example of this. They're non-robust plasticky things. Ink or toner is expensive. Print heads or drums wear out, and they're expensive. Often, it's cheaper to throw out a printer and buy a new one when the ink runs out, never mind the other parts of the printer. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 07:21, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Often, it's cheaper to throw out a printer and buy a new one when the ink runs out, never mind the other parts of the printer. I bought a Lexmark Optra 40 because it was an inkjet with a CPU, RAM, and color postscript. It is over 10 years old and still works, to this day. Cartridges can still be found. 12a1970 and 12a1980 My color laser, a QMS (now Konica-Minolta) is 5 years old and standards-based (PCL5). Works like a charm. No, I don´t print a lot, a dozen pages per month. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
Tim: Often, it's cheaper to throw out a printer and buy a new one when the ink runs out, never mind the other parts of the printer. Fernando Cassia: I bought a Lexmark Optra 40 because it was an inkjet with a CPU, RAM, and color postscript. It is over 10 years old and still works, to this day. Cartridges can still be found. 12a1970 and 12a1980 My color laser, a QMS (now Konica-Minolta) is 5 years old and standards-based (PCL5). Works like a charm. No, I don´t print a lot, a dozen pages per month. I probably print less than you. Most of the time I mayn't print anything for a month or two. I've two ancient printers that are still in reasonably good working condition, a HP LaserJet 4L and a HP LaserJet 4M. I'd like to keep using them, but the quote for one of the toner cartridges was more than a new printer. Of course, I'll be better off getting the toner cartridge (and so is the environment), but then I'm assessing this on-the-whole. Most people will just look at the initial cost. I've used several other inkjet printers that have convinced me that I don't want to use a inkjet ever again. They waste so much ink, it smudges so easy, they clog, the cartridges are way overpriced... -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
Apple's Mac OS X provides driverless installs for both printers and image input devices. Of course the printers must have drivers from somewhere. OS X bundles that Gutenprint drivers, that are obtained from the Open Source community. I'm pretty sure that Apple either requires or maybe somehow convinces the printer vendors to maintain their Gutenprint drivers. From time to time I manually update all my third-party software on OS X; when I went to get the latest Epson driver, it said to run Software Update from the Apple Menu in OS X. So it can be done. Steve Jobs and Richard Stallman haven't always been the best of friends, but in general Apple has contributed a great deal to the Open Source community. I don't know because I never checked, but I imaging that Apple contributes patches to the Gutenprint maintainers. I don't have a clue how the image input is done. That's for scanners and digital cameras. That part doesn't come from Linux and is quite likely under Non-Disclosure Agreement, as many color image input device vendors have all manner of trade secrets around color management. It's not so good for Open Source, but for the end-user like my Mom, I bought her a nice digital camera for Christmas and It Just Worked with iPhoto on her iMac. There was no software to install. Having to hunt down and install drivers for arcane hardware is a Windows thing. There are lots of driver search databases, as well as binary driver installer websites for Windows. I've used them when hunting for drivers for obscure hardware and they are a real PITA. Linux need not be that way. -- Don Quixote de la Mancha Dulcinea Technologies Corporation Software of Elegance and Beauty http://www.dulcineatech.com quix...@dulcineatech.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:55:47 -0400, KC (Keith) wrote: ML1610 is not there anymore. $ rpm -ql foomatic-db|grep Samsung|grep ML-16 /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/pjl-Samsung-ML-1650-AllowReprint.xml /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/pjl-Samsung-ML-1650-Economode.xml /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/pjl-Samsung-ML-1650-MediaType.xml /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/pjl-Samsung-ML-1650-RET.xml /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/printer/Samsung-ML-1610.xml /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/printer/Samsung-ML-1650.xml /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/printer/Samsung-ML-1651N.xml On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 12:35 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:43:34 -0400, KC (Keith) wrote: I cannot seem to get my Samsung ML1640 to work with Fedora. Works plug and play with Ubuntu with no issues at all. Ideas? What have you tried yet? What has happened? If you run system-config-printer, you can configure it as ML-1610 as found in the foomatic-db package. I think there used to be a driver ML-1640, too, but ML-1610 works since at least Fedora 11. The driver for ML-1650 otoh would not work, if my notes are correct. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 07:51, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I've used several other inkjet printers that have convinced me that I don't want to use a inkjet ever again. Check ebay for Continuous Ink Systems (CIS) made in China. Then you can buy ink in bulk (bottles) and refill automagically to your heart´s content. Plus, these old printers included very simple (erasable) control chips. In fact, my old QMS color laser can be refilled by just drilling a hole into the original cartridges and using a funnel, then duct taping the opening when done. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:43:34 -0400, KC (Keith) wrote: I cannot seem to get my Samsung ML1640 to work with Fedora. Works plug and play with Ubuntu with no issues at all. Ideas? What have you tried yet? What has happened? If you run system-config-printer, you can configure it as ML-1610 as found in the foomatic-db package. I think there used to be a driver ML-1640, too, but ML-1610 works since at least Fedora 11. The driver for ML-1650 otoh would not work, if my notes are correct. -- Fedora release 16 (Verne) - Linux 3.1.0-0.rc9.git0.0.fc16.x86_64 loadavg: 0.05 0.05 0.05 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
ML1610 is not there anymore. On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 12:35 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:43:34 -0400, KC (Keith) wrote: I cannot seem to get my Samsung ML1640 to work with Fedora. Works plug and play with Ubuntu with no issues at all. Ideas? What have you tried yet? What has happened? If you run system-config-printer, you can configure it as ML-1610 as found in the foomatic-db package. I think there used to be a driver ML-1640, too, but ML-1610 works since at least Fedora 11. The driver for ML-1650 otoh would not work, if my notes are correct. -- Fedora release 16 (Verne) - Linux 3.1.0-0.rc9.git0.0.fc16.x86_64 loadavg: 0.05 0.05 0.05 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
Besides all the prior answers, I could suggest tu use Splix. I used it with several distribution including Fedora and it works great with my Samsung ML-1640. AFAIK Ubuntu ships Splix per default, so I assume that it is used for PlugPlay. Take a look at http://splix.ap2c.org/ to get more information. Although, there's no official package for Fedora. I tried to build one in past, but can't recall exactly what I did to get it to work. Here are some links with documentation what I did: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=674619 http://sourceforge.net/projects/splix/forums/forum/605559/topic/4084995 Let me know if you are interested to use Splix for Fedora, then I could try to provide more help. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 00:59, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: Samsung has a unified driver for Linux on their web site. I've used it for several years with my ML-1740 and many different Fedora releases. I´m not very happy to use binary-only drivers, because at some point they might choose to discontinue them, or those binary drivers might have dependencies that later cannot be fulfilled (say require an older glibc version, older version of CUPS than present in future linux version, etc etc). I´m more saddened about the lack of understanding by consumers in general over the use of more or less OPEN STANDARDS, which in the world of printing is PCL and PostScript. Get a printer with PCL or postscript and any OS, from 8-bit Geos to AmigaOS to ancient Unixes to modern Linux, can work with it. Yet, all that normal users seems to care about is that a given device has Linux drivers. Well, propietary Linux drivers with closed protocols and languages are not very good either. The device will become a paperweight as soon as the manufacturer decides to kill it by not issuing any more linux driver updates. Samung lasers use Samsung´s propietary SPL (Samsung Page description Language). So there´s no PCL, at all... and yes,Microsoft was behind SPL... oh the surprise (not!). --- SPL - Samsung Printer Language Microsoft and Samsung developed the Samsung Printer Language (SPL). This enabled the windows GDI language to be converted into bitmap while printing. The advantage here helped prevent heavy dependence on the PC memory and processor. The image is rendered during printing process, which greatly reduces the amount of processing power required from the PC. --- http://new.undocprint.org/formats/page_description_languages/spl But wait, there´s more: there´s SPL2 in addition to SPL. QPDL - Quick Page Description Language. Also known as Samsung SPL2. Is used by Samsung, Xerox and others SPL2 aka QPDL (Quick Page Description Language). http://ufpr.dl.sourceforge.net/project/splix/doc/1.0/specs-en.pdf I wonder what was so wrong with PCL and postscript that manufacturers keep re-inventing the wheel?. I don´t see a movement by consumers to clearly ask printer manufacturers to identify the standards used on the box. Is there one?. This sounds like the kind of effort where the FSF should be involved. FC -- The purpose of computing is insight, not numbers. Richard Hamming - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_code -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Samsung ML1640
I cannot seem to get my Samsung ML1640 to work with Fedora. Works plug and play with Ubuntu with no issues at all. Ideas? Keith -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On 10/20/2011 05:43 AM, Keith Clark wrote: I cannot seem to get my Samsung ML1640 to work with Fedora. Works plug and play with Ubuntu with no issues at all. Ideas? Keith Keith, Did you try UnifiedLinuxDriver_0.86.tar.gz, downloadable from http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=dkCttFileID=2745812CDCttType=DRModelType=NModelName=ML-1665VPath=DR/201001/20100121132724343/UnifiedLinuxDriver_0.86.tar.gz I'm working with a Samsung ML1660 (*not 1640!*), and I'm using UnifiedLinuxDriver_0.86.tar.gz which works properly. Kind regards -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Samsung ML1640
On 10/19/2011 11:43 PM, Keith Clark wrote: I cannot seem to get my Samsung ML1640 to work with Fedora. Works plug and play with Ubuntu with no issues at all. Ideas? Keith Samsung has a unified driver for Linux on their web site. I've used it for several years with my ML-1740 and many different Fedora releases. It can be a bit cranky getting it set up but it works great with CUPS and with SAMBA. -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 www.counter.li.org In a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today. ** To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it. To mess up an MS Windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ -- Signature shamelessly copied from: Jatin Khatri geleem -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
