Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/17/2012 07:24 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 09:21 +1000, Roger wrote: Alienating Photoshop users is an entirely different subject, not related to Gimp single or multi screen use. It really should not be part of this discussion. It implies that they have a mental block prevention from learning new ways. I do not believe that to be the case. Photoshop users will not and have no reason to change. They are happy with their expensive image manipulation software. There are millions of new users out there who do not want photoshop and it is those who need to be told about Gimp. They will learn multi window quickly. Tallies with my feelings... I've tried Photoshop, and absolutely hated the way it worked. When it comes to software, I want an alternative, not a clone. Generally speaking, I chose alternatives because I want something that works differently, cost isn't the main concern, except for ridiculously expensive software. I myself have never used either Photoshop.only because it has seemed to me to be overly complicated, I've only recentl started to use GIMP and the more I dabble with it, the more I find it utterly indispensable for touching up graphics wnd the like. I would have to agree with you...it IS a great alternative...prices for software not withstanding! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
Am 14.09.2012 15:57, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 14.09.2012, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > >> What is it that you don't like in the new GIMP? For me the single window >> interface is far preferable to the old lets-hunt-around-the-workspace >> mode and it's optional if you do prefer the free-floating layout. > > Gimp and "single window interface"? What Fedora are you actually on?? > I'm on a fully updated F17, and I don't have a single window interface > in Gimp (wish I had).. then select the checkbox in the "window" menu, called "Fenster" on german setups and you are done, this is one of the major features of GIMP 2.8 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
Am Sonntag, den 16.09.2012, 13:20 -0400 schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: > On 09/14/2012 02:32 PM, Alan Evans wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, fred smith wrote: > >> because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- > >> window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, ... ... > > It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and > > edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a > > single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) > > > > -Alan > The flipside to this would be only having a small laptop screen to work > with and not wanting to switch to various windows constantly in order to > get something done in GIMP. > Netbeans used to have a multi-window interface years ago and had an option in the Menu to switch to single-window back and forth. That may be the way to go especially for software which will benefit from two or even more monitors (and gimp is definitely such a program). Nowadays Netbeans is a single window only program (with a limited facility to detach some content to a separate window) and is not able to use a multi monitor desktop to its full extend. What a pitty. Peter -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/17/2012 07:24 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 09:21 +1000, Roger wrote: Alienating Photoshop users is an entirely different subject, not related to Gimp single or multi screen use. It really should not be part of this discussion. It implies that they have a mental block prevention from learning new ways. I do not believe that to be the case. Photoshop users will not and have no reason to change. They are happy with their expensive image manipulation software. There are millions of new users out there who do not want photoshop and it is those who need to be told about Gimp. They will learn multi window quickly. Tallies with my feelings... I've tried Photoshop, and absolutely hated the way it worked. When it comes to software, I want an alternative, not a clone. Generally speaking, I chose alternatives because I want something that works differently, cost isn't the main concern, except for ridiculously expensive software. This is a matter of preference. I don't know Photoshop, but I suspect it has a steep learning curve, like AutoCAD. I would not like to have to learn a new paradigm to do cad work--as one must with the foss clones--and I'm sure that most Photoshop users would just as soon keep their skills and use them on a Linux picture editor. It's different, of course, for those who are new to the type of software involved, and I have nothing against GIMP--I use it myself on occasion, but only in a very basic way. --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Lailah wrote: > > Oh! I agree with the format stuff. Why they don't let me choose what > format by default I want? Why, if I edit a jpg, I have to save it as a xcf? > Is very annoying. > But I don't call it "fsck with Gimp". I call it a bug. > If I knew how to ask for an enhancement for Gimp, I'll happily do it. > You may get better results (or, at least, a more focused audience) asking gimp questions on the gimp user list. For enhancement requests, try the gimp developer list. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list I'm still using 2.6 which doesn't have this issue. There may be something in ~/.gimp-2.8 that could help with changing defaults. Sorry, but I do not have any more specific info on whats in that tree. Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
El dom, 16-09-2012 a las 01:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/15/2012 10:50 PM, Lailah wrote: > > > Oh! I agree with the format stuff. Why they don't let me choose what > > format by default I want? Why, if I edit a jpg, I have to save it as a > > xcf? > > Is very annoying. > > But I don't call it "fsck with Gimp". I call it a bug. > > If I knew how to ask for an enhancement for Gimp, I'll happily do it. > > It saves in the default format because it is the only format that can > save all the extra metadata (where undo etc is possible). You can > export it and save in whatever format you want. Control + E instead of > Control + S. > > Alternatively, use > > http://shallowsky.com/blog/gimp/gimp-save-export-clean.html > > Rahul Ok. I can understand this. But what I dislike is that the app is deciding for me. There's no way in the configuration to set the default format. That's my point. Regards, Lailah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 09:21 +1000, Roger wrote: > Alienating Photoshop users is an entirely different subject, not > related to Gimp single or multi screen use. It really should not be > part of this discussion. It implies that they have a mental block > prevention from learning new ways. I do not believe that to be the > case. Photoshop users will not and have no reason to change. They are > happy with their expensive image manipulation software. > There are millions of new users out there who do not want photoshop > and it is those who need to be told about Gimp. They will learn multi > window quickly. Tallies with my feelings... I've tried Photoshop, and absolutely hated the way it worked. When it comes to software, I want an alternative, not a clone. Generally speaking, I chose alternatives because I want something that works differently, cost isn't the main concern, except for ridiculously expensive software. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/17/2012 03:20 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 09/14/2012 02:32 PM, Alan Evans wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, fred smith wrote: because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) There seems to be a lot of hatred here (even in this thread) for the multi-window interface. But I, for one, wish that *more* applications implemented it. It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) -Alan The flipside to this would be only having a small laptop screen to work with and not wanting to switch to various windows constantly in order to get something done in GIMP. EGO II Not so at all, There is no hatred, just discussion of merit one way or another. Both my daughters use multi window Gimp, as is, on 3 or 4 laptops, they also do not see any reason to change to a one size fits all prospect. I use Gimp on a multi monitor desktop and on an old Dell 1520 laptop and have no problem with multi screen. An analogy would be that on my work bench in my shed, a real life situation, I could not work if the periphery was taken up by all of my tools of which I use one at a time, no! they get put back on hooks, on racks, in drawers. This is Gimp, putting the tools away until needed once again. Gimp multi window is for me, like my hard copy work bench. A delight to use. Alienating Photoshop users is an entirely different subject, not related to Gimp single or multi screen use. It really should not be part of this discussion. It implies that they have a mental block prevention from learning new ways. I do not believe that to be the case. Photoshop users will not and have no reason to change. They are happy with their expensive image manipulation software. There are millions of new users out there who do not want photoshop and it is those who need to be told about Gimp. They will learn multi window quickly. One of my daughters, mentioned above, is a secondary teacher at a private college. She used photoshop for a few days because her students did. Removed it and went to Gimp, as did all of her students who no longer complain loud and long about having to use such a crap application that broke continuously. There are reasons for and against every GUI, but from my experience, no one I know wants to revert to photoshop because it is too difficult to use when compared to Gimp with it's multi screen. Roger Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/14/2012 02:32 PM, Alan Evans wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, fred smith wrote: because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) There seems to be a lot of hatred here (even in this thread) for the multi-window interface. But I, for one, wish that *more* applications implemented it. It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) -Alan The flipside to this would be only having a small laptop screen to work with and not wanting to switch to various windows constantly in order to get something done in GIMP. EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/14/2012 02:27 PM, fred smith wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 07:58:07PM -0300, Lailah wrote: El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 15:41 -0400, Fedora User escribió: People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! Could you be more specific, please? I don't find anything strange on Gimp but the lack of FX-Foundry plugins pack. Thanks! Lailah because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) Not sure I buy it, but that's the reasoning as I understand it. I'd have to agree with the reasoning for this, up until today I avoided GIMP vigorously because I didn't know there was a way to have one window!now that I know...(I've already changed it!) I'll be delving into its inner workings on a deeper level! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/15/2012 10:50 PM, Lailah wrote: > Oh! I agree with the format stuff. Why they don't let me choose what > format by default I want? Why, if I edit a jpg, I have to save it as a > xcf? > Is very annoying. > But I don't call it "fsck with Gimp". I call it a bug. > If I knew how to ask for an enhancement for Gimp, I'll happily do it. It saves in the default format because it is the only format that can save all the extra metadata (where undo etc is possible). You can export it and save in whatever format you want. Control + E instead of Control + S. Alternatively, use http://shallowsky.com/blog/gimp/gimp-save-export-clean.html Rahul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQVOG9AAoJELauRe7G9dGMltAH/2UtxZJNa+U2PXJqLV3pAJvc pAWQRxXgU0TgVzRnbjQEVsXOvrk2FRH8wVstHlbgNBJfqvW7qG7x7Z1/2LomP4Uu GK8olyPIrUtNrT1Jxut3tkIF87bo7xipUBljJjue5X2VMmjZoFhsWvXwEvBGV15d tkASsmtECRR+fJ3sy/5Tf/zDLgDtxeddOqYODwI3smYoaChcuRcAg+WggQLp6Lo2 Ww69euqQCQQwiVbO/AOope+MyjMhEfxKgm3O+Aqz8l3ItsWQ0xknlQyK6zlfynKB bluOEd2tR4aG8o0z2So0ExJbU0uvfuOl4o0ofsI4qVEa3gFNt2zONZ6gLzyXT4c= =2td/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
El vie, 14-09-2012 a las 17:49 -0400, Fedora User escribió: > On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 14:27 -0400, fred smith wrote: > > because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- > > window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing > > them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) > > > > Not sure I buy it, but that's the reasoning as I understand it. > > > Well that's not my kvetch. GIMP has always had a wonderful multi-window > interface and I have been using it since - probably - pre-Fedora. Over > the last few releases they have markedly changed the interface and > methodology without any improvement. The tool-box window has now been > shrunk and no longer displays all of the information that it used to. I > have yet to figure out how to do things that I used to do - easily - for > years. I also don't like the fact that it now defaults to xcf. Perhaps > someone else can explain this change better than I can. In simple terms, > if I open a jpg, edit and then do a ctl-s, it no longer brings up the > jpg dialog. The text dialog is completely different and almost > impossible because the new pop-up obscures the text area. The fill tool > no longer fills an area of a photo properly (it fills contiguous > shapes). You can no longer type a wrapped line of text and have it > centered. I could go on . . . > Oh! I agree with the format stuff. Why they don't let me choose what format by default I want? Why, if I edit a jpg, I have to save it as a xcf? Is very annoying. But I don't call it "fsck with Gimp". I call it a bug. If I knew how to ask for an enhancement for Gimp, I'll happily do it. Regards, Lailah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
El vie, 14-09-2012 a las 11:32 -0700, Alan Evans escribió: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, fred smith wrote: > > because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- > > window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing > > them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) > > There seems to be a lot of hatred here (even in this thread) for the > multi-window interface. But I, for one, wish that *more* applications > implemented it. > > It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and > edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a > single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) > > -Alan Agree. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
There seems to be a lot of hatred here (even in this thread) for the multi-window interface. But I, for one, wish that *more* applications implemented it. It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) I, from early RedHat days thru all versions of Fedora and Ububnu, love the multi window interface. A few apps had it but over time have gone to one interface where the work area is so small one has to be proficient at panning. I wish more apps stayed with the multi window method. I can work on the "full" image without the screen being apportioned to menu and configuration systems that are, after all, only tools used one at a time. It's of little importance where they are as long as they are not in my image/work space. Blender 3d had multi windows and was great. Now it has an interface where 30% of the usable space is menus and selections for no good reason other than to appeal to users who may, but probably won't migrate from proprietary systems. I heartily agree that it's the way to go when one has multiple monitors. I hope that Gimp does not go the same path as those apps. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 14:27 -0400, fred smith wrote: > because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- > window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing > them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) > > Not sure I buy it, but that's the reasoning as I understand it. > Well that's not my kvetch. GIMP has always had a wonderful multi-window interface and I have been using it since - probably - pre-Fedora. Over the last few releases they have markedly changed the interface and methodology without any improvement. The tool-box window has now been shrunk and no longer displays all of the information that it used to. I have yet to figure out how to do things that I used to do - easily - for years. I also don't like the fact that it now defaults to xcf. Perhaps someone else can explain this change better than I can. In simple terms, if I open a jpg, edit and then do a ctl-s, it no longer brings up the jpg dialog. The text dialog is completely different and almost impossible because the new pop-up obscures the text area. The fill tool no longer fills an area of a photo properly (it fills contiguous shapes). You can no longer type a wrapped line of text and have it centered. I could go on . . . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 02:39:29PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:32:45 -0700 > Alan Evans wrote: > > > There seems to be a lot of hatred here (even in this thread) for the > > multi-window interface. But I, for one, wish that *more* applications > > implemented it. > > > > It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and > > edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a > > single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) > > Yea, I've always hated the single window model. Just consider the > photoshop/gimp case. If I have one tall image and one wide image, > I can position those where I can still interact with the rest > of my desktop in one corner of my screen, but in a single screen > GUI model, I pretty much am forced to hide the rest of the desktop > (even without multiple monitors). Oh, I agree there are valid uses for the multi-window model. I'm for sure NOT one of those who whined about it (I don't use Gimp enough for it to be an issue, either, just now and then). -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. --- Romans 5:8 (niv) -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:32:45 -0700 Alan Evans wrote: > There seems to be a lot of hatred here (even in this thread) for the > multi-window interface. But I, for one, wish that *more* applications > implemented it. > > It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and > edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a > single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) Yea, I've always hated the single window model. Just consider the photoshop/gimp case. If I have one tall image and one wide image, I can position those where I can still interact with the rest of my desktop in one corner of my screen, but in a single screen GUI model, I pretty much am forced to hide the rest of the desktop (even without multiple monitors). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, fred smith wrote: > because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- > window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing > them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) There seems to be a lot of hatred here (even in this thread) for the multi-window interface. But I, for one, wish that *more* applications implemented it. It is seriously the only way to go when you have multiple monitors and edit a lot of images simultaneously. (Try to imagine stretching a single-window interface across three screens. Ick.) -Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 07:58:07PM -0300, Lailah wrote: > >El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 15:41 -0400, Fedora User escribió: > > People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe > clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program > that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it > was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! > >Could you be more specific, please? I don't find anything strange on Gimp >but the lack of FX-Foundry plugins pack. >Thanks! >Lailah because there's been a LOT of whining from many people about the multi- window interface. Allegedly it alienates Photoshop users, preventing them from being willing to learn to use Gimp (and Linux, et al.) Not sure I buy it, but that's the reasoning as I understand it. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good. - Proverbs 15:3 (niv) - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 15:41 -0400, Fedora User escribió: > People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe > clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program > that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it > was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! > Could you be more specific, please? I don't find anything strange on Gimp but the lack of FX-Foundry plugins pack. Thanks! Lailah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/14/2012 02:57 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> Gimp and "single window interface"? What Fedora are you actually on??
> I'm on a fully updated F17, and I don't have a single window interface
> in Gimp (wish I had)..
F17 as I've said more than once.
Look in the Windows menu perhaps? It should be the last entry
('Single-Window Mode' checkbox).
It was added in 2.7 so unless you have some very odd packages lying
around I've no idea why you'd not have it with the 2.8.2 that's current
for F17.
$ cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle)
$ rpm -q gimp
gimp-2.8.2-1.fc17.x86_64
$ yum info gimp
[snip]
Installed Packages
Name: gimp
Arch: x86_64
Epoch : 2
Version : 2.8.2
Release : 1.fc17
Size: 59 M
Repo: installed
From repo : updates
Summary : GNU Image Manipulation Program
URL : http://www.gimp.org/
License : GPLv3+
Description : GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a powerful image
composition and editing program, which can be extremely useful for
creating logos and other graphics for webpages. GIMP has many of the
tools and filters you would expect to find in similar commercial
offerings, and some interesting extras as well.
GIMP provides a large image manipulation toolbox, including channel
operations and layers, effects, sub-pixel imaging and anti-aliasing, and
conversions, all with multi-level undo.
Regards,
Bryn.
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Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 15:57 +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: > Gimp and "single window interface"? What Fedora are you actually on?? > I'm on a fully updated F17, and I don't have a single window interface > in Gimp (wish I had).. Under the "Windows" drop down menu, there is a check box labeled "Single-Window Mode". Make sure it is checked. Woogie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 14.09.2012, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > What is it that you don't like in the new GIMP? For me the single window > interface is far preferable to the old lets-hunt-around-the-workspace > mode and it's optional if you do prefer the free-floating layout. Gimp and "single window interface"? What Fedora are you actually on?? I'm on a fully updated F17, and I don't have a single window interface in Gimp (wish I had).. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/13/2012 04:04 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Fedora User wrote: BTW, Fedora 17, GIMP 2.8.2. Unable to center multi-line text. Can no longer create a shape and then fill it with a color. Color ME frustrated. I'm able to do both of those things with the same version of software. I did them within seconds of opening GIMP. Perhaps you need to look at all the buttons and maybe the manual? so did I -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/14/2012 01:41 PM, Claude Jones wrote: > On 09/14/2012 06:26 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >> What is it that you don't like in the new GIMP? For me the single window >> interface is far preferable to the old lets-hunt-around-the-workspace >> mode and it's optional if you do prefer the free-floating layout. > > I've always disliked the free floating windows but, I still have them. > How do I implement the single window interface? I've got 2.6 > It was new in 2.7 so you'll need to update. F16 still has 2.6 but if you can't update to F17 (which has 2.8.2) now you might find that Niels Philippsen's gimp unstable repos for Fedora allow you to use a somewhat newer version: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-September/156359.html There are updates to the F16 packages from earlier this year but I don't know how usable they are at the moment. Building later gimp for earlier Fedora is tricky due to it depending on newer gegl and babl packages. Regards, Bryn. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/14/2012 06:26 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: What is it that you don't like in the new GIMP? For me the single window interface is far preferable to the old lets-hunt-around-the-workspace mode and it's optional if you do prefer the free-floating layout. I've always disliked the free floating windows but, I still have them. How do I implement the single window interface? I've got 2.6 -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/14/2012 11:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > On 14 September 2012 11:26, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >> On 09/13/2012 08:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > >>> And, while I'm at it, when did it stop >>> being The GIMP[2]? >> >> I don't recall the splash screens or about box calling it "The GIMP" in >> a very long time (if ever) but the project website still lists the > > 2.2 splash screen and window titles say 'the GIMP', and there's a help > item 'the GIMP online'. (The about box doesn't have a program title, > it's a sort of slideshow, a title may appear eventually, but I'm not > going to sit and watch to find out.) And it is indeed the GNU image > manipulation programme. > Thanks - I thought I vaguely remembered it saying it at some point but the oldest one I could find to hand was 2.4 (2.2 is eight years old now!). Regards, Bryn. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/13/2012 08:57 PM, Fedora User wrote: > On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 15:41 -0400, Fedora User wrote: >> People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe >> clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program >> that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it >> was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! > > BTW, Fedora 17, GIMP 2.8.2. Unable to center multi-line text. Can no > longer create a shape and then fill it with a color. Color ME > frustrated. I just tried these operations in 2.8.2 and they are working for me in more-or-less the way I've always used them. There's sometimes more than one way to achieve a result in Gimp so that may be why your experience differs (or it could just be a bug/bugs). To create and fill a shape I use the selection or path editing tools to create an outline, stroke it and then the bucket-fill tool to fill it with a pattern or solid colour. For centred multi-line text I just use the text tool, click to place and enter the text. The floating (cairo) dialog does not give you the justification options but it's there in the tool options pane: http://www.errorists.org/stuff/gimp-2.8.2-fill-and-text.png If you turn single window mode off (Windows menu and uncheck Single-Window mode) it'll be in the bottom half of the floating toolbox window. Regards, Bryn. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 14 September 2012 11:26, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > On 09/13/2012 08:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> And, while I'm at it, when did it stop >> being The GIMP[2]? > > I don't recall the splash screens or about box calling it "The GIMP" in > a very long time (if ever) but the project website still lists the 2.2 splash screen and window titles say 'the GIMP', and there's a help item 'the GIMP online'. (The about box doesn't have a program title, it's a sort of slideshow, a title may appear eventually, but I'm not going to sit and watch to find out.) And it is indeed the GNU image manipulation programme. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/13/2012 08:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/13/2012 12:41 PM, Fedora User wrote: >> People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe >> clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program >> that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it >> was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! >> > > Probably for the same reason they did pretty much the same thing to > Gnome 3: it's new, therefor it must be better. What is it that you don't like in the new GIMP? For me the single window interface is far preferable to the old lets-hunt-around-the-workspace mode and it's optional if you do prefer the free-floating layout. > is by substituting the name of the File System ChecKer for it, as in, > "Why did they fsck with GIMP." And, while I'm at it, when did it stop > being The GIMP[2]? I don't recall the splash screens or about box calling it "The GIMP" in a very long time (if ever) but the project website still lists the expansion as "GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program." (side-note: GIMP predates Gnome - GTK was originally the GIMP toolkit). Regards, Bryn. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
Fedora User wrote: > BTW, Fedora 17, GIMP 2.8.2. Unable to center multi-line text. Can no > longer create a shape and then fill it with a color. Color ME > frustrated. I'm able to do both of those things with the same version of software. I did them within seconds of opening GIMP. Perhaps you need to look at all the buttons and maybe the manual? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 15:41 -0400, Fedora User wrote: > People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe > clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program > that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it > was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! BTW, Fedora 17, GIMP 2.8.2. Unable to center multi-line text. Can no longer create a shape and then fill it with a color. Color ME frustrated. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
On 09/13/2012 12:41 PM, Fedora User wrote: People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! Probably for the same reason they did pretty much the same thing to Gnome 3: it's new, therefor it must be better. BTW, if you want to look geeky[1], the right way to refer to that verb is by substituting the name of the File System ChecKer for it, as in, "Why did they fsck with GIMP." And, while I'm at it, when did it stop being The GIMP[2]? [1]And who on this list doesn't? [2]As in The Gnome Image Manipulation Program. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Why did they f*ck with GIMP?
People must have too much time on their hands. Add some features; maybe clean up some code. But why on earth make major UI changes to a program that consistently did exactly what it was supposed to do exactly as it was supposed to do it - - - and now doesn't. Ugh! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
