Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-14 Thread George N. White III 
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 09:54, John Mellor  wrote:

> Gnome bugzilla is absolutely useless, as nobody is doing any bugfixes.
> I don't think that a single one of my bugs has been resolved ever since
> Fedora started using Gnome.  Its a very strong indication of a broken
> system, and probably a very broken development organization.
>

I suspect the majority of developers who are actually paid to work on
linux are working on things useful for HPC: deep learning, numerical
modelling, etc.   X.org has also suffered.

Linux has the advantage and disadvantage that there are many
desktop environments/experiences.   Variety is good as it promotes
exploration and innovation, but it results in developer resources
being spread across many projects.

>
> So, maybe moving to a different tracking system will be a good thing.
> At least GitLab will nag them about their backlog until its corrected.
> However, more critically, Gnome needs more people fixing bugs instead of
> writing new features, and much better communications.
>
> If that doesn't work, maybe its time in (say) a year, for Fedora to move
> the default GUI install away from Gnome.
>

I use Gnome because the majority of the minority of my colleagues that use
linux (most use macOS if IT allows it, otherwise are stuck with "enterprise
standard Windows") on laptops are using Gnome on Ubuntu or Debian
(while doing heavy computations on RHEL/CENTOS).   With Fedora
getting some vendor support, more users may start using Fedora to avoid
dealing with different package systems.

In my experience, MATE is the second most popular desktop (thanks to Mint).
There have been efforts to support Wayland via MIR:

   .
   ,


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Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-14 Thread Neil Thompson 
I think you have more chance of seeing the sun go nova.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 15:54, John Mellor  wrote:

> Gnome bugzilla is absolutely useless, as nobody is doing any bugfixes.
> I don't think that a single one of my bugs has been resolved ever since
> Fedora started using Gnome.  Its a very strong indication of a broken
> system, and probably a very broken development organization.
>
> So, maybe moving to a different tracking system will be a good thing.
> At least GitLab will nag them about their backlog until its corrected.
> However, more critically, Gnome needs more people fixing bugs instead of
> writing new features, and much better communications.
>
> If that doesn't work, maybe its time in (say) a year, for Fedora to move
> the default GUI install away from Gnome.
>
>
> On 2020-11-13 2:32 p.m., ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
> > is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
> > they are starting over.
> >
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Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-14 Thread John Mellor 
Gnome bugzilla is absolutely useless, as nobody is doing any bugfixes.  
I don't think that a single one of my bugs has been resolved ever since 
Fedora started using Gnome.  Its a very strong indication of a broken 
system, and probably a very broken development organization.


So, maybe moving to a different tracking system will be a good thing.  
At least GitLab will nag them about their backlog until its corrected.  
However, more critically, Gnome needs more people fixing bugs instead of 
writing new features, and much better communications.


If that doesn't work, maybe its time in (say) a year, for Fedora to move 
the default GUI install away from Gnome.



On 2020-11-13 2:32 p.m., ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
they are starting over.


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Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-13 Thread ToddAndMargo via users 

On 2020-11-13 12:41, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 01:17:23PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 11/13/20 12:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
they are starting over.


Well, that's one way of getting rid of all the bugs they don't want to work
on.


They said that they're migrating the bugs into gitlab issues.

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2018-May/msg00026.html


Interesting double speak on their part.  This is what
they said in my notification:

  If you still use gparted and if you still see
  this bug / want this feature in a recent and
  currently supported version, then please feel
  free to report it at
 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gparted/-/issues/

That means they are starting over.  Lets hope they
are migrating!
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Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-13 Thread Jonathan Billings 
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 01:17:23PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> On 11/13/20 12:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > 
> > I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
> > is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
> > they are starting over.
> 
> Well, that's one way of getting rid of all the bugs they don't want to work
> on.

They said that they're migrating the bugs into gitlab issues.

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2018-May/msg00026.html



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Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-13 Thread ToddAndMargo via users 

On 2020-11-13 12:17, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 11/13/20 12:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
they are starting over.


Well, that's one way of getting rid of all the bugs they don't want to 
work on.


They could always just ignore them as does Libre Office

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Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-13 Thread Joe Zeff 

On 11/13/20 12:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
they are starting over.


Well, that's one way of getting rid of all the bugs they don't want to 
work on.

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bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

2020-11-13 Thread ToddAndMargo via users 

Hi All,

I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
they are starting over.

-T
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