Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-10 Thread Corinna Vinschen
Hi,

On Jan  9 15:43, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
 Hello,
 
 New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and
 the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too!

I just had an interesting effect.  I neglected to run `dnf install' as
root, but instead ran it under my normal user account.  dnf happily
downloaded all files, then asked me to accept a PGP key, which
understandably failed when trying to install the key.  But even without
the key problem, it would also have failed to install the rpms.

So I'm wondering, why did it download the files anyway and then only
failed afterwards, rather than to tell me you must be root to install
right at the start?  That would have been a bit more user friendly,
I think.


Thanks,
Corinna
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Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-10 Thread Ales Kozumplik

On 01/10/2014 10:46 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

Hi,

On Jan  9 15:43, Ales Kozumplik wrote:

Hello,

New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and
the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too!


I just had an interesting effect.  I neglected to run `dnf install' as
root, but instead ran it under my normal user account.  dnf happily
downloaded all files, then asked me to accept a PGP key, which
understandably failed when trying to install the key.  But even without
the key problem, it would also have failed to install the rpms.

So I'm wondering, why did it download the files anyway and then only
failed afterwards, rather than to tell me you must be root to install
right at the start?  That would have been a bit more user friendly,
I think.


Thanks,
Corinna



Hi,

you're running into another thing that we widely debated in the past:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1038504

Short summary is: we are going to provide a plugin that does just what 
you describe.


Ales
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Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-10 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jan 10 13:31, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
 On 01/10/2014 10:46 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Jan  9 15:43, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
 Hello,
 
 New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and
 the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too!
 
 I just had an interesting effect.  I neglected to run `dnf install' as
 root, but instead ran it under my normal user account.  dnf happily
 downloaded all files, then asked me to accept a PGP key, which
 understandably failed when trying to install the key.  But even without
 the key problem, it would also have failed to install the rpms.
 
 So I'm wondering, why did it download the files anyway and then only
 failed afterwards, rather than to tell me you must be root to install
 right at the start?  That would have been a bit more user friendly,
 I think.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Corinna
 
 
 Hi,
 
 you're running into another thing that we widely debated in the past:
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1038504
 
 Short summary is: we are going to provide a plugin that does just
 what you describe.

Thanks for the URL.  Is there some hope justified that the plugin will
be enabled by default at one point?  How did yum manage that without
plugin?


Thanks,
Corinna
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Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-10 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Corinna Vinschen fed...@cygwin.de wrote:

 On Jan 10 13:31, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
  On 01/10/2014 10:46 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
  Hi,
  
  On Jan  9 15:43, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
  Hello,
  
  New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and
  the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too!
  
  I just had an interesting effect.  I neglected to run `dnf install' as
  root, but instead ran it under my normal user account.  dnf happily
  downloaded all files, then asked me to accept a PGP key, which
  understandably failed when trying to install the key.  But even without
  the key problem, it would also have failed to install the rpms.
  
  So I'm wondering, why did it download the files anyway and then only
  failed afterwards, rather than to tell me you must be root to install
  right at the start?  That would have been a bit more user friendly,
  I think.
  
  
  Thanks,
  Corinna
  
 
  Hi,
 
  you're running into another thing that we widely debated in the past:
 
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1038504
 
  Short summary is: we are going to provide a plugin that does just
  what you describe.

 Thanks for the URL.  Is there some hope justified that the plugin will
 be enabled by default at one point?  How did yum manage that without
 plugin?


 Thanks,
 Corinna
 --

I think yum gets passed it by requiring the user to be root
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Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Richard Vickery  wrote:


 --

 I think yum gets passed it by requiring the user to be root


Yep and I have argued before in the original bug report I filed at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910133 that this is precisely
the right behavior of dnf as well however after some back and forth, it is
apparently going to be implemented as a plugin.  I still think that this
should be the default behavior but atleast it is going to solved in some
way.  With sufficient users voicing their opinion, perhaps it will be just
merged into dnf itself.

Rahul
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dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-09 Thread Ales Kozumplik

Hello,

New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and the 
F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too!


Ales

[1] http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/01/09/dnf-0-4-11-released/
[2] http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/release_notes.html#id22
[3] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dnf-0.4.11-1.fc20
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