Re: fedora and NAS
Allegedly, on or about 6 November 2017, Stephen Morris sent: > I have the device mounted as both nfs and ntfs, but like mentioned in > another thread the nfs mount point doesn't work anymore. Quick check-list of things to check with NFS: Both sides of the network have the same time on their clocks. All appropriate NFS services running on the server. Firewalls (server and client). Same USER IDs on server and client if you're owning own files. Correct use of no_squash/squash. NFS versions. If your NAS is one that auto-updates itself, then you may need to recheck things from time to time. Simplistic NAS devices (e.g. cloud thingummies) sold for general public may do a near factory default after an update, and NFS is an oddity to them (seems to be little thought given to it). I found it off by default on at least one NAS. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.13.9-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 23 13:52:45 UTC 2017 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. This email tagline has been Australianised. Bloody oath... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 07:25:12AM +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 06/11/2017 22:59, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 19:36 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: > >>On 06/11/2017 11:43, Ed Greshko wrote: > >>>On 11/06/17 08:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: > >>Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and > >>broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? > >In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. > >Android devices, > >SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. > >And knew the > >space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options > >for dedicated > >NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple > >apps to make > >access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails for > >TV shows and > >Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will > >download and in the > >apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of > >other stuff. > >So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then > >maintain it. That > >wasn't my goal. > > > >I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. > > > >Just something to consider. > That would be the cost *without* the disk drives, right? All the same, > I'm broadly on the same page. Unless the OP has a suitable box lying > around, it's reasonable to get an off-the-shelf NAS for this kind of > thing. Just be aware that most of the cheaper units have anemic CPUs > that may not be up to transcoding high-quality video for multiple > streaming users. There's a Plex guide here: > > https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201373793 > > which should give an idea of the kind of thing to look out for, even if > not using Plex. > >>>No, it was US$400 including 2-3TB drives. I got a Synology. I thought > >>>about a > >>>higher end model but I didn't have a need for transcoding. > >>> > >>I bought a NAS dual bay device with 2 1TB drives that have been > >>configured in Raid 0 mode for around $250 - $300 Australian. I am using > >>the device as a storage device and for streaming videos to this Fedora > >>machine and a Raspberry PI media player using Kodi. I have the device > >>mounted as both nfs and ntfs, but like mentioned in another thread the > >>nfs mount point doesn't work anymore. I'll need to do some checking to > >>try to determine why. i have had some issues with the ntfs mount point > >>where I delete files under fedora, which fedora recognizes as gone, but > >>windows and kodi still see the files. > >Surely you mean NFS and Samba, or are you talking about two partitions? > > Sorry, yes, the 2nd mount point is actually cifs, and like indicated > in another thread, this device doesn't work with the default SMB3.0 > that Fedora has moved to. Without the vers=1.0 parameter the mount > command says the drive is down. The documentation for mount.cifs for > the vers option says that smbV3.0 was introduced with Windows 8 and > windows server 2012, but I think that is an over- simplification of > the issue. I am accessing the same mount point under Windows 10 > without requiring any special configuration, which from the man > documentation either Windows 10 is accessing the mount point with > smbV3.0 or it is auto falling back to smbV1.0 for the device, hence, > if it is auto falling back then Fedora can as well so why do we need > to explicitly specify to do so? I've got a low-end Synology box in RAID-1, have configured it to require SMB3, and configured /etc/fstab entries for the synology mounts to use only SMB3, and it all works like a treat. I'm running this on Centos-7, which is a sort-of cousin to Fedora, so its hard to imagine that Fedora can't do SMB3 too. Fred -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. - Isaiah 40:28 (niv) - ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On Tue, 2017-11-07 at 07:25 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: > I > am accessing the same mount point under Windows 10 without requiring any > special configuration, which from the man documentation either Windows > 10 is accessing the mount point with smbV3.0 or it is auto falling back > to smbV1.0 for the device, hence, if it is auto falling back then Fedora > can as well so why do we need to explicitly specify to do so? Presumably because SMBv1 has a huge security hole, as discussed fairly recently. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On 06/11/2017 22:59, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 19:36 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: On 06/11/2017 11:43, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/06/17 08:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. Android devices, SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. And knew the space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options for dedicated NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple apps to make access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails for TV shows and Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will download and in the apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of other stuff. So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then maintain it. That wasn't my goal. I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. Just something to consider. That would be the cost *without* the disk drives, right? All the same, I'm broadly on the same page. Unless the OP has a suitable box lying around, it's reasonable to get an off-the-shelf NAS for this kind of thing. Just be aware that most of the cheaper units have anemic CPUs that may not be up to transcoding high-quality video for multiple streaming users. There's a Plex guide here: https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201373793 which should give an idea of the kind of thing to look out for, even if not using Plex. No, it was US$400 including 2-3TB drives. I got a Synology. I thought about a higher end model but I didn't have a need for transcoding. I bought a NAS dual bay device with 2 1TB drives that have been configured in Raid 0 mode for around $250 - $300 Australian. I am using the device as a storage device and for streaming videos to this Fedora machine and a Raspberry PI media player using Kodi. I have the device mounted as both nfs and ntfs, but like mentioned in another thread the nfs mount point doesn't work anymore. I'll need to do some checking to try to determine why. i have had some issues with the ntfs mount point where I delete files under fedora, which fedora recognizes as gone, but windows and kodi still see the files. Surely you mean NFS and Samba, or are you talking about two partitions? Sorry, yes, the 2nd mount point is actually cifs, and like indicated in another thread, this device doesn't work with the default SMB3.0 that Fedora has moved to. Without the vers=1.0 parameter the mount command says the drive is down. The documentation for mount.cifs for the vers option says that smbV3.0 was introduced with Windows 8 and windows server 2012, but I think that is an over- simplification of the issue. I am accessing the same mount point under Windows 10 without requiring any special configuration, which from the man documentation either Windows 10 is accessing the mount point with smbV3.0 or it is auto falling back to smbV1.0 for the device, hence, if it is auto falling back then Fedora can as well so why do we need to explicitly specify to do so? regards, Steve poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 19:36 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 06/11/2017 11:43, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 11/06/17 08:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > > On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and > > > > > broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? > > > > > > > > In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. > > > > Android devices, > > > > SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. > > > > And knew the > > > > space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options > > > > for dedicated > > > > NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple > > > > apps to make > > > > access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails > > > > for TV shows and > > > > Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will > > > > download and in the > > > > apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of > > > > other stuff. > > > > So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then > > > > maintain it. That > > > > wasn't my goal. > > > > > > > > I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. > > > > > > > > Just something to consider. > > > > > > That would be the cost *without* the disk drives, right? All the same, > > > I'm broadly on the same page. Unless the OP has a suitable box lying > > > around, it's reasonable to get an off-the-shelf NAS for this kind of > > > thing. Just be aware that most of the cheaper units have anemic CPUs > > > that may not be up to transcoding high-quality video for multiple > > > streaming users. There's a Plex guide here: > > > > > > https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201373793 > > > > > > which should give an idea of the kind of thing to look out for, even if > > > not using Plex. > > > > No, it was US$400 including 2-3TB drives. I got a Synology. I thought > > about a > > higher end model but I didn't have a need for transcoding. > > > > I bought a NAS dual bay device with 2 1TB drives that have been > configured in Raid 0 mode for around $250 - $300 Australian. I am using > the device as a storage device and for streaming videos to this Fedora > machine and a Raspberry PI media player using Kodi. I have the device > mounted as both nfs and ntfs, but like mentioned in another thread the > nfs mount point doesn't work anymore. I'll need to do some checking to > try to determine why. i have had some issues with the ntfs mount point > where I delete files under fedora, which fedora recognizes as gone, but > windows and kodi still see the files. Surely you mean NFS and Samba, or are you talking about two partitions? poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 11/06/17 08:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: > > > > Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and > > > > broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? > > > > > > In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. > > > Android devices, > > > SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. And > > > knew the > > > space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options > > > for dedicated > > > NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple apps > > > to make > > > access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails for > > > TV shows and > > > Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will download > > > and in the > > > apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of > > > other stuff. > > > So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then maintain > > > it. That > > > wasn't my goal. > > > > > > I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. > > > > > > Just something to consider. > > > > That would be the cost *without* the disk drives, right? All the same, > > I'm broadly on the same page. Unless the OP has a suitable box lying > > around, it's reasonable to get an off-the-shelf NAS for this kind of > > thing. Just be aware that most of the cheaper units have anemic CPUs > > that may not be up to transcoding high-quality video for multiple > > streaming users. There's a Plex guide here: > > > > https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201373793 > > > > which should give an idea of the kind of thing to look out for, even if > > not using Plex. > > No, it was US$400 including 2-3TB drives. I got a Synology. I thought about > a > higher end model but I didn't have a need for transcoding. That's about what I paid for my Iomega with 2x1TB Seagate drives about 8 years ago. I since have had to replace both drives with WD units as they failed, luckily not at the same time so RAID-0 saved me. I did look at getting a new NAS but wasn't convinced the benefit would be worth the cost. I finally figured I didn't actually need RAID for the media (as it all has alternative sources), just for the data backup, so I got a new drive for my PC, moved the media onto it, and as a bonus configured my old PC's drive for my Windows VM, which I can also now dual-boot if necessary. But everyone's requirements are different. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On 06/11/2017 11:43, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/06/17 08:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. Android devices, SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. And knew the space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options for dedicated NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple apps to make access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails for TV shows and Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will download and in the apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of other stuff. So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then maintain it. That wasn't my goal. I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. Just something to consider. That would be the cost *without* the disk drives, right? All the same, I'm broadly on the same page. Unless the OP has a suitable box lying around, it's reasonable to get an off-the-shelf NAS for this kind of thing. Just be aware that most of the cheaper units have anemic CPUs that may not be up to transcoding high-quality video for multiple streaming users. There's a Plex guide here: https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201373793 which should give an idea of the kind of thing to look out for, even if not using Plex. No, it was US$400 including 2-3TB drives. I got a Synology. I thought about a higher end model but I didn't have a need for transcoding. I bought a NAS dual bay device with 2 1TB drives that have been configured in Raid 0 mode for around $250 - $300 Australian. I am using the device as a storage device and for streaming videos to this Fedora machine and a Raspberry PI media player using Kodi. I have the device mounted as both nfs and ntfs, but like mentioned in another thread the nfs mount point doesn't work anymore. I'll need to do some checking to try to determine why. i have had some issues with the ntfs mount point where I delete files under fedora, which fedora recognizes as gone, but windows and kodi still see the files. regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On 11/06/17 08:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: >>> Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and >>> broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? >> >> In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. Android >> devices, >> SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. And >> knew the >> space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options for >> dedicated >> NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple apps to >> make >> access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails for TV >> shows and >> Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will download >> and in the >> apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of >> other stuff. >> So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then maintain >> it. That >> wasn't my goal. >> >> I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. >> >> Just something to consider. > That would be the cost *without* the disk drives, right? All the same, > I'm broadly on the same page. Unless the OP has a suitable box lying > around, it's reasonable to get an off-the-shelf NAS for this kind of > thing. Just be aware that most of the cheaper units have anemic CPUs > that may not be up to transcoding high-quality video for multiple > streaming users. There's a Plex guide here: > > https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201373793 > > which should give an idea of the kind of thing to look out for, even if > not using Plex. No, it was US$400 including 2-3TB drives. I got a Synology. I thought about a higher end model but I didn't have a need for transcoding. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On Mon, 2017-11-06 at 08:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: > > Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and > > broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? > > > In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. Android > devices, > SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. And > knew the > space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options for > dedicated > NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple apps to > make > access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails for TV > shows and > Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will download and > in the > apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of other > stuff. > So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then maintain it. > That > wasn't my goal. > > I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. > > Just something to consider. That would be the cost *without* the disk drives, right? All the same, I'm broadly on the same page. Unless the OP has a suitable box lying around, it's reasonable to get an off-the-shelf NAS for this kind of thing. Just be aware that most of the cheaper units have anemic CPUs that may not be up to transcoding high-quality video for multiple streaming users. There's a Plex guide here: https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/201373793 which should give an idea of the kind of thing to look out for, even if not using Plex. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On 11/06/17 05:30, François Patte wrote: > Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and > broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? In the past, yes. But then more, and varied, devices were bought. Android devices, SmartTV, etc. Then friends learned what I had and asked for access. And knew the space needed to be expanded. Looking around I found very good options for dedicated NAS at low prices. Included in the offerings were Android and Apple apps to make access easy with a nice end user experience. Things like thumbnails for TV shows and Movies, the ability to mark them watched. Also, the system will download and in the apps display descriptions of the show/episode or movie. And a bunch of other stuff. So, for me, I didn't see the need to reinvent the wheel and then maintain it. That wasn't my goal. I spend less than US$ 400 for a 2 bay unit to take advantage of RAID. Just something to consider. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora and NAS
On 11/05/2017 01:30 PM, François Patte wrote: Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? It depends on what you're trying to do. I use mediatomb to share media files via dlna/upnp that my LG bluray player can access. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
fedora and NAS
Bonsoir, Does anyone have some experience in building a NAS --- stocking and broadcasting multimedia stuff on home network --- using fedora? Thank you to share your experience. -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
