gnome3 - the funny side

2011-09-26 Thread Ian Malone
On the basis that you need to laugh every so often.
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/AppletsTransition:

Desktop design copouts

Then there are applets that are about making it marginally faster to
do things that should be obvious and fast to do without an applet to
do them. If these are useful, we've misdesigned.

Connect to a Server...
Disk Mounter
Lock Screen
Log Out...
Run Application...
Search for Files...
Shutdown..

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Re: gnome3 - the funny side

2011-09-26 Thread John Aldrich
On Mon September 26 2011, Ian Malone wrote:
 On the basis that you need to laugh every so often.
 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/AppletsTransition:
 
 Desktop design copouts
 
 Then there are applets that are about making it marginally faster to
 do things that should be obvious and fast to do without an applet to
 do them. If these are useful, we've misdesigned.
 
 Connect to a Server...
 Disk Mounter
 Lock Screen
 Log Out...
 Run Application...
 Search for Files...
 Shutdown..

Seriously... Disk Mounter, log out, run application, lock screen, command-
line. Those are not core apps Sheesh!
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Re: gnome3 - the funny side

2011-09-26 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On 09/26/2011 08:48 AM, John Aldrich wrote:
 On Mon September 26 2011, Ian Malone wrote:
 On the basis that you need to laugh every so often.
 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/AppletsTransition:

 Desktop design copouts

 Then there are applets that are about making it marginally faster to
 do things that should be obvious and fast to do without an applet to
 do them. If these are useful, we've misdesigned.

 Connect to a Server...
 Disk Mounter
 Lock Screen
 Log Out...
 Run Application...
 Search for Files...
 Shutdown..

 Seriously... Disk Mounter, log out, run application, lock screen, command-
 line. Those are not core apps Sheesh!

Actually, the point is that they *are* core functions, and should
therefore not need an applet to be efficient and discoverable.

Log out and lock screen are built in to the shell (account menu at top
right, keyboard shortcuts). Disk mounts and Connect to Server are
handled by Nautilus. Run application is also built in (Super/Activities
to search applications, Alt+F2 for run prompt).

Not sure what the plan is for Search, but I think it's integrated with
Nautilus, will be integrated with Documents, I wouldn't be surprised if
it's integrated with the shell at some point.

That leaves Shutdown, which is a much-debated pain point. I do use the
Alternative Status Menu extension gives me a normal Shut Down button[1],
and there's Alt-clicking the Log Off button.

- Michael

1. I don't actually use it for the shut down button, as the Alt+Log Off
behavior is fine for me. I use it for Hibernate, since my laptop lacks a
dedicated Hibernate key and I haven't been able to get the Sleep key to
trigger Hibernate.

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Re: gnome3 - the funny side

2011-09-26 Thread John Aldrich
On Mon September 26 2011, Michael Ekstrand wrote:
 
 Actually, the point is that they *are* core functions, and should
 therefore not need an applet to be efficient and discoverable.

Ahh... Gotcha.
 
 Log out and lock screen are built in to the shell (account menu at top
 right, keyboard shortcuts). Disk mounts and Connect to Server are
 handled by Nautilus. Run application is also built in (Super/Activities
 to search applications, Alt+F2 for run prompt).
 
 Not sure what the plan is for Search, but I think it's integrated with
 Nautilus, will be integrated with Documents, I wouldn't be surprised if
 it's integrated with the shell at some point.
 
 That leaves Shutdown, which is a much-debated pain point. I do use the
 Alternative Status Menu extension gives me a normal Shut Down button[1],
 and there's Alt-clicking the Log Off button.
 
 - Michael
 
Well, I don't use Gnome myself, so it's a moot point to me. However, I 
think there ought to be an icon / app for a terminal window. I like the way 
my current DE (XFCE) has the option on the start menu for logout etc. I 
admit I don't miss the run option. Virtually every time I want to do 
something like that I just go to my open terminal window and type whatever 
command I need to execute (such as KCALC for calculator, etc.) I like the 
way some DE's give you an icon on the desktop for your removable media when 
it's mounted (automatically, most of the time.) Not sure how Gnome 3 will 
handle that. It also doubles as an unmount when you right-click on that 
icon. Sure you can just pull up Nautilus or a terminal window and handle it 
that way, but it's nice to have a desktop icon to unmount or access 
removable media. Maybe I'm just too lazy.
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