Re: Remastering ISO filenames (was: make a bootable dvd)

[Tim via users]

Jeffrey Walton:
>> ++. The firmware on my old Asus Q500a laptop wanted the efi filename
>> in all lowercase -- EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi instead of
>> EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.efi. The laptop would not boot to the DVD otherwise.
>> The UEFI on the laptop was by a company called Aptio.


On Thu, 2024-07-11 at 10:34 -0400, John Westerdale wrote:
> Thought that entries in a vfat file system are case sensitive? 

I think the issue with Jeffrey's laptop was that its firmware wanted a
specific case (when it possibly shouldn't).  Or, perhaps Linux
shouldn't be using such filenames, and has simply gotten away with it
on hardware that didn't care?  Though I see some reference to a UEFI
spec that says the filename should be "BOOTx64.EFI" (yet another
permutation).

You can have case-preserving filesystems, and case-ignoring
filesystems.  And the OS that uses that filesystem can do likewise
(take what it gets, ignore what's there and do what it likes, treat
UPPER and lower as the same, or treat them differently).

On the old DOS, whatever filename you typed was treated as UPPER case. 
Later OSs might have shown it that way when listing contents, or could
show it as lower case.  Then later OSs played games with dual filenames
for the same file.  It was a hideous mess to deal with.

Supposedly EFI uses a filesystem that's *based* on FAT but isn't
actually FAT - and without any defining specification of what it
actually is (therein lays fun and games).

FAT is (allegedly) case insensitive and stores all filenames as
UPPERCASE (which is odd, 7-bit ASCII has upper and lower case).  In any
case (pun intended), whatever reads a FAT filesystem may show the
filenames as they are, or mangle them.

More fun ensues if you create "FILENAME" and "filename" on a file
system that can store them as two different files, but then read them
with an OS that treats "FILENAME" and "filename" as being the same
thing.  How does it read the right file?  The two files may actually
have different contents.

Since the behaviour isn't particularly known (there's a myriad of
motherboard manufacturers), and there is no true advantage in being
able to have two separate and different BOOTx64.efi and bootx64.efi
files (any arguments for *needing* that are idiotic - if you need two
different boot files, then name them VERY differently), though there is
an argument for it being simpler coding to treat such filenames as
separate but that is not an argument for being able to create "FILE"
and "file" as a useful thing, it'd be sensible if UEFI didn't care for
the filename casing.  But that's out of our control, because the one
thing that would care, the motherboard's firmware, is made by other
people.

It'd be simpler if the UEFI spec said name it this way and the
motherboard's UEFI just looked for one filename.  But whatever a spec
may say about it, you'll probably find some manufacturer's firmware
does something else.

Short answer:  we're stuffed!

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Re: Remastering ISO filenames (was: make a bootable dvd)

[John Westerdale]

Thought that entries in a vfat file system are case sensitive?

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:42 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:16 PM Tim via users
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 17:01 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> > > I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the
> > > fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file
> >
> > This page has some doing it from the command line instructions:
> >
> >
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/
> >
> > Bear in mind that if it doesn't work, in the end, it *may* not be that
> > you've done something wrong.  I couldn't make a bootable disc (of any
> > kind) out of the spins.  I had to use the server edition.
> >
> > NB:  This is some kind of compatibility issue with *SOME* hardware and
> > some Fedora ISO files, not all hardware.
>
> ++. The firmware on my old Asus Q500a laptop wanted the efi filename
> in all lowercase -- EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi instead of
> EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.efi. The laptop would not boot to the DVD otherwise.
> The UEFI on the laptop was by a company called Aptio.
>
> Attached is the script I wrote to perform the rename. The ISO image
> could then be burned to CD.
>
> Jeff
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Remastering ISO filenames (was: make a bootable dvd)

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:16 PM Tim via users
 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 17:01 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> > I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the
> > fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file
>
> This page has some doing it from the command line instructions:
>
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/
>
> Bear in mind that if it doesn't work, in the end, it *may* not be that
> you've done something wrong.  I couldn't make a bootable disc (of any
> kind) out of the spins.  I had to use the server edition.
>
> NB:  This is some kind of compatibility issue with *SOME* hardware and
> some Fedora ISO files, not all hardware.

++. The firmware on my old Asus Q500a laptop wanted the efi filename
in all lowercase -- EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi instead of
EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.efi. The laptop would not boot to the DVD otherwise.
The UEFI on the laptop was by a company called Aptio.

Attached is the script I wrote to perform the rename. The ISO image
could then be burned to CD.

Jeff


fix-uefi-iso.sh
Description: Bourne shell script
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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 17:01 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
> fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file

This page has some doing it from the command line instructions:

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/

Bear in mind that if it doesn't work, in the end, it *may* not be that
you've done something wrong.  I couldn't make a bootable disc (of any
kind) out of the spins.  I had to use the server edition.

NB:  This is some kind of compatibility issue with *SOME* hardware and
some Fedora ISO files, not all hardware.

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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 8 Jul 2024, Klaus-Peter Schrage via users wrote:


The OP definitely asked for a tool to create a bootable dvd.

With a gui, this may be done through k3b. As a commandline tool, wodim
should work, even the dd command:


dd used to work.
I've even used cp.
It's been a while.
So far as I know, neither will burn a disk anymore.


https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-burn-iso-image-to-dvd/79250


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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Klaus-Peter Schrage via users]

Am 08.07.2024 um 17:41 schrieb Patrick Dupre via users:


There is a fedora tool
Fedora Media Writer (see fedora web site)
also
unebootin




On 7/8/24 10:01 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the
fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file

Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.

google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.

I prefer to use command line.

Thank you.

The easiest way is to just dd the iso file to a USB stick and boot off that.

This shows you the USB drive. On my system, I have two drives internal
drives, so my USB drive shows up as sdc:

lsblk

Once you've identified the USB drive, use dd to write it to the USB. In
my case, it's /dev/sdc:

dd if=/path/to/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-40-1.14.iso of=/dev/sdc

Make sure your USB drive is large enough for the whole ISO file to be
written to it.

I also recommend Ventoy for booting off multiple ISO files:

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

Hope this helps!


The OP definitely asked for a tool to create a bootable dvd.

With a gui, this may be done through k3b. As a commandline tool, wodim
should work, even the dd command:

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-burn-iso-image-to-dvd/79250

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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Patrick Dupre via users]

There is a fedora tool
Fedora Media Writer (see fedora web site)
also
unebootin



>
> On 7/8/24 10:01 AM, François Patte wrote:
> > Bonjour,
> > 
> > I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
> > fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file
> > 
> > Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.
> > 
> > google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.
> > 
> > I prefer to use command line.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> 
> The easiest way is to just dd the iso file to a USB stick and boot off that.
> 
> This shows you the USB drive. On my system, I have two drives internal 
> drives, so my USB drive shows up as sdc:
> 
> lsblk
> 
> Once you've identified the USB drive, use dd to write it to the USB. In 
> my case, it's /dev/sdc:
> 
> dd if=/path/to/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-40-1.14.iso of=/dev/sdc
> 
> Make sure your USB drive is large enough for the whole ISO file to be 
> written to it.
> 
> I also recommend Ventoy for booting off multiple ISO files:
> 
> https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 7/8/24 10:01 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file


Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.

google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.

I prefer to use command line.

Thank you.


The easiest way is to just dd the iso file to a USB stick and boot off that.

This shows you the USB drive. On my system, I have two drives internal 
drives, so my USB drive shows up as sdc:


lsblk

Once you've identified the USB drive, use dd to write it to the USB. In 
my case, it's /dev/sdc:


dd if=/path/to/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-40-1.14.iso of=/dev/sdc

Make sure your USB drive is large enough for the whole ISO file to be 
written to it.


I also recommend Ventoy for booting off multiple ISO files:

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

Hope this helps!

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make a bootable dvd

[François Patte]

Bonjour,

I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file


Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.

google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.

I prefer to use command line.

Thank you.

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Université Paris Descartes
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