Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-03 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 15:52:02 -0500,
  Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote:

 *sigh*
 I suppose I'll have to.
 It's always a pain.
 I prefer to climb one hill at a time.

 The Radeon driver and related stuff has been changing a lot over the last
 couple of years. F13 will probably work much better than F11 for your card.
 A relatively painless way to test this is to use a live image. You can
 see if there is enough improvement to warrant doing the upgrade before
 doing it.

 After tremendous pain, I finally managed to install F13.
 I'm still getting software rendering.
 I hate this.
 Has anyone *ever* used a Radeon HD 3650 AGP with linux?
 If I want hardware acceleration, do I have to get yet another video card?
 Is there any reason not to take a sledgehammer to the one I have?

I might have screamed too soon.
After using Xorg -configure,
I replaced the old xorg.conf with the generated version.
Does this mean I have hardware acceleration at last?
 [r...@localhost ~]# glxinfo | grep -e ender -e adeon
 IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0
 direct rendering: Yes
 OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV635 9598) 20090101 AGP 8x  TCL
 [r...@localhost ~]#
I haven't installed anything that would need it yet.
Should I worry that adeon didn't show up?

I still have the urge to kill something.

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 00:46:00 -0500,
  Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote:
 
 After tremendous pain, I finally managed to install F13.
 I'm still getting software rendering.
 I hate this.
 Has anyone *ever* used a Radeon HD 3650 AGP with linux?
 If I want hardware acceleration, do I have to get yet another video card?
 Is there any reason not to take a sledgehammer to the one I have?

The 3650 uses an RV635 chip. The r600 series recently got 3d support.
I thought for F13 you didn't need mesa-dri-drivers-experimental for 3d on
r600 and r700 chips, but maybe you do. (You did for F12.)

If you try installing mesa-dri-drivers-experimental and restarting X, you
might see some speed up.

There are still things that the 3d drivers don't do on linux, so that even
with 3d support some things won't be as fast as they would be on other OS's.
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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-03 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 01:30:10 -0500,
  Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote:

 I might have screamed too soon.
 After using Xorg -configure,
 I replaced the old xorg.conf with the generated version.
 Does this mean I have hardware acceleration at last?
 [r...@localhost ~]# glxinfo | grep -e ender -e adeon
 IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0
 direct rendering: Yes

 I believe that indicates that at least some level of hardware rendering
 is used.

 OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV635 9598) 20090101 AGP 8x  TCL
 [r...@localhost ~]#
 I haven't installed anything that would need it yet.
 Should I worry that adeon didn't show up?

 No. That command is getting information about how much of opengl is supported
 and the hardware manufacturer isn't needed. Though RV635 is the chip that
 is the main part of your video card.

 You can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you want to see the words ati and
 radeon.

Thanks.  I should have remembered.
This mess has my brain in about the same condition as Einstein's.

 I still have the urge to kill something.

 Try install a FPS (such as nexuiz) and you can kill two birds with one stone.

No matter how many frames per second I get out of the card,
it won't replace the joy of manually reducing something's necksize.
On that subject, I think FC11 is still overclocking the card.
How do I tell it not to?

Also, a problem I've had forever seems to be worse with FC13.
With FC13, I only get to see about a quarter of
a character on the left edge of the screen.
In the past, I've tried adjusting the monitor, but eventually gave up.
The problem occurs in both text and graphical modes.

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-02 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 15:52:02 -0500,
  Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote:

 *sigh*
 I suppose I'll have to.
 It's always a pain.
 I prefer to climb one hill at a time.

 The Radeon driver and related stuff has been changing a lot over the last
 couple of years. F13 will probably work much better than F11 for your card.
 A relatively painless way to test this is to use a live image. You can
 see if there is enough improvement to warrant doing the upgrade before
 doing it.

After tremendous pain, I finally managed to install F13.
I'm still getting software rendering.
I hate this.
Has anyone *ever* used a Radeon HD 3650 AGP with linux?
If I want hardware acceleration, do I have to get yet another video card?
Is there any reason not to take a sledgehammer to the one I have?

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-01 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Suvayu Ali wrote:

 On Monday 31 May 2010 08:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 A friend suggested that I need a radeonhd driver.
 yum provides '*radeonhd*'
 lists at least two.
 Do I need a radeonhd driver, and, if so,
 how do I tell which one will work?

 radeonhd has been abandoned and is not being maintained any more. The
 radeon stack is the prescribed open source driver for all ATI cards now.

The radeon stack (why is it called a stack?)
seems not to like my Radeon HD 3650.
To get it to work at all, I had to install FC11 again.
Though the card is still being overclocked, all I get is vesa.

Did any version of radeonhd ever work for Radeon HD 3650?
If so, how do I install it?


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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:45:51 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry wrote:

 Did any version of radeonhd ever work for Radeon HD 3650?
 If so, how do I install it?

I don't know about the 3650, but my HD 2400 at work would
crash fairly often with the radeon driver on fedora 12
(I'm using fedora 13 radeon now, and so far no crashes).

On fedora 12 I did:

yum install xorg-x11-drv-radeonhd

(I think that was the name), then cobbled up an xorg.conf
file with this driver section:

Section Device
Identifier  Videocard0
Option  DRI off
Option  AccelMethod shadowfb
Option  NoRandr
Option  UnverifiedFeatures off
Driver  radeonhd
EndSection

The radeonhd driver wouldn't work very well either, but at
least it had lots of options I could add to turn off
just about all acceleration and get stable 2D video.

Full details of my fedora 12 experience with this card
are in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541387
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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-01 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Michael Hennebry
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote:
 On Mon, 31 May 2010, Suvayu Ali wrote:

 On Monday 31 May 2010 08:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 A friend suggested that I need a radeonhd driver.
 yum provides '*radeonhd*'
 lists at least two.
 Do I need a radeonhd driver, and, if so,
 how do I tell which one will work?

 radeonhd has been abandoned and is not being maintained any more. The
 radeon stack is the prescribed open source driver for all ATI cards now.

 The radeon stack (why is it called a stack?)

People might call it a stack because there are multiple components
(xorg, mesa, etc.)

 seems not to like my Radeon HD 3650.
 To get it to work at all, I had to install FC11 again.
 Though the card is still being overclocked, all I get is vesa.

 Did any version of radeonhd ever work for Radeon HD 3650?
 If so, how do I install it?


The radeonhd driver is unmaintained.  It has been removed from later
versions of fedora.

try booting with nomodeset in the kernel command line (hint: press
e while in the grub boot menu)

I recommend updating to a newer version of fedora.  It will have a
newer version of the radeon driver.
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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-01 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Mike Fedyk wrote:

 The radeonhd driver is unmaintained.  It has been removed from later
 versions of fedora.

 try booting with nomodeset in the kernel command line (hint: press
 e while in the grub boot menu)

I've done that.  It didn't help.

 I recommend updating to a newer version of fedora.  It will have a
 newer version of the radeon driver.

*sigh*
I suppose I'll have to.
It's always a pain.
I prefer to climb one hill at a time.

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-06-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 15:52:02 -0500,
  Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote:
 
 *sigh*
 I suppose I'll have to.
 It's always a pain.
 I prefer to climb one hill at a time.

The Radeon driver and related stuff has been changing a lot over the last
couple of years. F13 will probably work much better than F11 for your card.
A relatively painless way to test this is to use a live image. You can
see if there is enough improvement to warrant doing the upgrade before
doing it.
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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
Any more ideas?
Perhaps everyone is gone for the weekend.

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
I installed FC11 on another set of partitions
and got something that more or less runs.
I made the mistake of not customizing the package list,
so I'm stuck with gnome.  Gnome is loud.  Gnome is not KDE.
I still can't watch hulu.
I need a flash plugin and cannot remember the magic formula.
Following the bread crumbs didn't help.
Hula probably doesn't look good with vesa anyway.
Fedora is still overclocking the card.

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
A friend suggested that I need a radeonhd driver.
yum provides '*radeonhd*'
lists at least two.
Do I need a radeonhd driver, and, if so,
how do I tell which one will work?

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-31 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Monday 31 May 2010 08:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 A friend suggested that I need a radeonhd driver.
 yum provides '*radeonhd*'
 lists at least two.
 Do I need a radeonhd driver, and, if so,
 how do I tell which one will work?

radeonhd has been abandoned and is not being maintained any more. The 
radeon stack is the prescribed open source driver for all ATI cards now.

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Craig White wrote:

 On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:45 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 I'm on my third video card.
 The first was a radeon.
 After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
 an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
 Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
 I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
 It was the AGP card I could find.
 Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.

 I tried Xorg -probe
 X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
 just produced a messy screen.  No discernable image.
 Here is /root/xorg.conf.new :

 I hate it when things just don't work.
 
 Not sure exactly where you are going with all of this but you should at
 least start with the default which is no xorg.conf at all - so maybe as
 root, you should just 'mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-saved'
 and then reboot and see what happens because I would guess that the
 knoppix org.conf you are trying to use is from a much earlier version of
 xorg.

What about copying the driver from knoppix?

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 I'm on my third video card.
 The first was a radeon.
 After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
 an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
 Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
 I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
 It was the AGP card I could find.
 Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.
 I'm using it now.
 knop...@knoppix:~$ uname -a
 Linux Knoppix 2.6.19 #7 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 17 22:01:07 CET 2006 i686
 GNU/Linux
 knop...@knoppix:~$
 Fedora 11, not so great.
 It never gets to X.
 The last messages to the console involve the ethernet connection.

Here is the result of dmesg | tail
 ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
 RPC: Registered udp transport module.
 RPC: Registered tcp transport module.
 SELinux: initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses 
genfs_contexts
 ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
 e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
 ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
 audit(1275135885.989:15398): auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:s0 op=remove rule key=(null) list=4 res=0
 audit(1275135885.989:15399): audit_enabled=0 old=1 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:s0 res=1
 eth0: no IPv6 routers present

I might have accidentally broken some lines.

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 I'm on my third video card.
 The first was a radeon.
 After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
 an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
 Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
 I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
 It was the AGP card I could find.
 Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.

During start up, Knoppix emits a line like
... ATI ... Unkown device 9598 ... Xorg(ati)

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 I'm on my third video card.
 The first was a radeon.
 After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
 an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
 Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
 I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
 It was the AGP card I could find.
 Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.

I tried Xorg -probe
X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
just produced a messy screen.  No discernable image.
Here is /root/xorg.conf.new :
 Section ServerLayout
   Identifier X.org Configured
   Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
   InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
   InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
 EndSection
 
 Section Files
   ModulePath   /usr/lib/xorg/modules
   FontPath catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
   FontPath built-ins
 EndSection
 
 Section Module
   Load  dbe
   Load  glx
   Load  dri2
   Load  record
   Load  dri
   Load  extmod
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
   Identifier  Keyboard0
   Driver  kbd
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
   Identifier  Mouse0
   Driver  mouse
   Option  Protocol auto
   Option  Device /dev/input/mice
   Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
 EndSection
 
 Section Monitor
   #DisplaySize  340   270 # mm
   Identifier   Monitor0
   VendorName   AOC
   ModelNameLM720/LM720A
   HorizSync30.0 - 83.0
   VertRefresh  55.0 - 75.0
   Option  DPMS
 EndSection
 
 Section Device
 ### Available Driver options are:-
 ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
 ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
 ### [arg]: arg optional
 #Option NoAccel # [bool]
 #Option SWcursor# [bool]
 #Option Dac6Bit # [bool]
 #Option Dac8Bit # [bool]
 #Option BusType # [str]
 #Option CPPIOMode   # [bool]
 #Option CPusecTimeout   # i
 #Option AGPMode # i
 #Option AGPFastWrite# [bool]
 #Option AGPSize # i
 #Option GARTSize# i
 #Option RingSize# i
 #Option BufferSize  # i
 #Option EnableDepthMoves# [bool]
 #Option EnablePageFlip  # [bool]
 #Option NoBackBuffer# [bool]
 #Option DMAForXv# [bool]
 #Option FBTexPercent# i
 #Option DepthBits   # i
 #Option PCIAPERSize # i
 #Option AccelDFS# [bool]
 #Option IgnoreEDID  # [bool]
 #Option DisplayPriority # [str]
 #Option PanelSize   # [str]
 #Option ForceMinDotClock# freq
 #Option ColorTiling # [bool]
 #Option VideoKey# i
 #Option RageTheatreCrystal  # i
 #Option RageTheatreTunerPort# i
 #Option RageTheatreCompositePort# i
 #Option RageTheatreSVideoPort   # i
 #Option TunerType   # i
 #Option RageTheatreMicrocPath   # str
 #Option RageTheatreMicrocType   # str
 #Option ScalerWidth # i
 #Option RenderAccel # [bool]
 #Option SubPixelOrder   # [str]
 #Option ShowCache   # [bool]
 #Option DynamicClocks   # [bool]
 #Option VGAAccess   # [bool]
 #Option ReverseDDC  # [bool]
 #Option LVDSProbePLL# [bool]
 #Option AccelMethod # str
 #Option DRI # [bool]
 #Option ConnectorTable  # str
 #Option DefaultConnectorTable   # [bool]
 #Option DefaultTMDSPLL  # [bool]
 #Option TVDACLoadDetect # [bool]
 #Option ForceTVOut  # [bool]
 #Option TVStandard  # str
 #Option IgnoreLidStatus # [bool]
 #Option DefaultTVDACAdj # [bool]
 #Option Int10   # [bool]
 #Option EXAVSync# [bool]
 #Option ATOMTVOut   # [bool]
 #Option R4xxATOM# [bool]
   Identifier  Card0
   Driver  radeon
   VendorName  ATI Technologies Inc
   BoardName   Mobility Radeon HD 3600 Series
   BusID   PCI:1:0:0
 EndSection
 
 Section Screen
   Identifier Screen0
   Device Card0
   MonitorMonitor0
   SubSection Display
   Viewport   0 0

Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-29 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:45 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 
  I'm on my third video card.
  The first was a radeon.
  After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
  an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
  Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
  I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
  It was the AGP card I could find.
  Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.
 
 I tried Xorg -probe
 X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
 just produced a messy screen.  No discernable image.
 Here is /root/xorg.conf.new :
  Section ServerLayout
  Identifier X.org Configured
  Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
  InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
  InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
  EndSection
  
  Section Files
  ModulePath   /usr/lib/xorg/modules
  FontPath catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
  FontPath built-ins
  EndSection
  
  Section Module
  Load  dbe
  Load  glx
  Load  dri2
  Load  record
  Load  dri
  Load  extmod
  EndSection
  
  Section InputDevice
  Identifier  Keyboard0
  Driver  kbd
  EndSection
  
  Section InputDevice
  Identifier  Mouse0
  Driver  mouse
  Option  Protocol auto
  Option  Device /dev/input/mice
  Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
  EndSection
  
  Section Monitor
  #DisplaySize  340   270 # mm
  Identifier   Monitor0
  VendorName   AOC
  ModelNameLM720/LM720A
  HorizSync30.0 - 83.0
  VertRefresh  55.0 - 75.0
  Option  DPMS
  EndSection
  
  Section Device
  ### Available Driver options are:-
  ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
  ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
  ### [arg]: arg optional
  #Option NoAccel   # [bool]
  #Option SWcursor  # [bool]
  #Option Dac6Bit   # [bool]
  #Option Dac8Bit   # [bool]
  #Option BusType   # [str]
  #Option CPPIOMode # [bool]
  #Option CPusecTimeout # i
  #Option AGPMode   # i
  #Option AGPFastWrite  # [bool]
  #Option AGPSize   # i
  #Option GARTSize  # i
  #Option RingSize  # i
  #Option BufferSize# i
  #Option EnableDepthMoves  # [bool]
  #Option EnablePageFlip# [bool]
  #Option NoBackBuffer  # [bool]
  #Option DMAForXv  # [bool]
  #Option FBTexPercent  # i
  #Option DepthBits # i
  #Option PCIAPERSize   # i
  #Option AccelDFS  # [bool]
  #Option IgnoreEDID# [bool]
  #Option DisplayPriority   # [str]
  #Option PanelSize # [str]
  #Option ForceMinDotClock  # freq
  #Option ColorTiling   # [bool]
  #Option VideoKey  # i
  #Option RageTheatreCrystal# i
  #Option RageTheatreTunerPort  # i
  #Option RageTheatreCompositePort  # i
  #Option RageTheatreSVideoPort # i
  #Option TunerType # i
  #Option RageTheatreMicrocPath # str
  #Option RageTheatreMicrocType # str
  #Option ScalerWidth   # i
  #Option RenderAccel   # [bool]
  #Option SubPixelOrder # [str]
  #Option ShowCache # [bool]
  #Option DynamicClocks # [bool]
  #Option VGAAccess # [bool]
  #Option ReverseDDC# [bool]
  #Option LVDSProbePLL  # [bool]
  #Option AccelMethod   # str
  #Option DRI   # [bool]
  #Option ConnectorTable# str
  #Option DefaultConnectorTable # [bool]
  #Option DefaultTMDSPLL# [bool]
  #Option TVDACLoadDetect   # [bool]
  #Option ForceTVOut# [bool]
  #Option TVStandard# str
  #Option IgnoreLidStatus   # [bool]
  #Option DefaultTVDACAdj   # [bool]
  #Option Int10 # [bool]
  #Option EXAVSync  # [bool]
  #Option ATOMTVOut # [bool]
  #Option R4xxATOM  # [bool]
  Identifier  Card0
  Driver  radeon
  VendorName  ATI Technologies Inc
  BoardName   Mobility Radeon HD 3600 Series
  BusID   PCI:1:0:0
  EndSection
  
  Section Screen
  Identifier Screen0
  Device Card0
  MonitorMonitor0
  SubSection Display
  

Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Craig White wrote:

 On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:45 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 I'm on my third video card.
 The first was a radeon.
 After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
 an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
 Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
 I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
 It was the AGP card I could find.
 Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.

 I tried Xorg -probe
 X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
 just produced a messy screen.  No discernable image.
 Here is /root/xorg.conf.new :

 Not sure exactly where you are going with all of this but you should at
 least start with the default which is no xorg.conf at all - so maybe as

That was one of the first things I tried,
but I'll try it again.

 root, you should just 'mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-saved'
 and then reboot and see what happens because I would guess that the
 knoppix org.conf you are trying to use is from a much earlier version of
 xorg.

I never copied and xorg.conf from knoppix.
That I could use knoppix demonstrated that the hardware worked.
The quoted xorg.conf.new was from Xorg -probe .

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Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 On Sat, 29 May 2010, Craig White wrote:

 On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:45 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote:

 I'm on my third video card.
 The first was a radeon.
 After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
 an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
 Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
 I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
 It was the AGP card I could find.
 Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.

 I tried Xorg -probe
 X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
 just produced a messy screen.  No discernable image.
 Here is /root/xorg.conf.new :

 Not sure exactly where you are going with all of this but you should at
 least start with the default which is no xorg.conf at all - so maybe as

 That was one of the first things I tried,
 but I'll try it again.

I tried it again.  It still didn;t work.
In Xorg.0.log there is a warning that it is using the preferred frequency,
135 MHz, even though it is greater than the maximum frequency, 130 MHz.
How do I tell it not to do that?

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radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain

2010-05-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
I'm on my third video card.
The first was a radeon.
After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with
an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it.
Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one,
I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650.
It was the AGP card I could find.
Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine.
I'm using it now.
knop...@knoppix:~$ uname -a
Linux Knoppix 2.6.19 #7 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 17 22:01:07 CET 2006 i686 
GNU/Linux
knop...@knoppix:~$
Fedora 11, not so great.
It never gets to X.
The last messages to the console involve the ethernet connection.
Disconnecting and reconnecting results in more messages.
Alternate consoles show the login prompt.
After logging in as root, I have to run dhclient explicitly
to acccess the internet.
At the suggestion of a friend, I did
yum grouperase 'X Window System'
yum groupinstall 'X Window System'
It didn't help.
Xorg.conf now says I have vesa where I used to say I had nvidia.
What do I need to do to make Fedora work?

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