Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2012 02:00 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> You can do it using iwconfig. You can also do it by using the >> network service instead of NetworkManager. You should have both >> options available with a minimal install. > > iwconfig may work for WEP, but what about WPA(2)? The man page says that passphrases are not supported. That is what wpa_supplicant is for. wpa_cli may also be useful. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9X6HgACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTWmwCggzpEcl0/3ra3QjbBB9dhAXxJ rzsAn0genVtaj2RXo8/G/DCoja7lrIZy =jRA0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
Marko Vojinovic wrote: I believe it would be quite funny to have wireless option during the installation, but not afterwards. The user should be able to activate wireless after the installation in the same way anaconda can do it during the installation. The question is how exactly to do it. NetworkManager does not have a command-line interface to add/remove connections. You can bring up/down wired connections from the command-line, but that's about it. Wireless connections require access to the Gnome keyring for the WEP/WPA passphrase, which isn't supported by "nmcli" (the command-line tool). I'm sure Dan Williams would be open to patches implementing support if you care to add it. ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
Once upon a time, Marko Vojinovic said: > If I may chime in a bit... If anaconda uses NetworkManager for the minimal > install, then NM should be a part of the minimal install, right? Or else, NM > should be available on the minimal install boot media, so that the OP can use > it somehow to activate his wireless network. anaconda is also running X, but that doesn't mean X should be part of the minimal install. There will always be arguments about what is "minimal"; to me, minimal would only have the bare minimum needed to boot and log in (kernel, boot loader, init system, shell, and basic editor), bring up basic networking (/sbin/ip and maybe /sbin/ifup and the old "network" service), and install other software (rpm and yum). Everything else could be added from there. I think it is fair to only support basic wired networking in the minimal install (things that the most they might need from userspace is a firmware file and /sbin/ip). Once you go down the path of adding wireless, you need daemons (at a minimum wpa_supplicant for most networks), and then you'll get arguments for other networking methods (Bluetooth, PPP/PPPoE, cellular, VPNs, etc.). Now your minimal install is not so minimal, and you've added a bunch of stuff that isn't applicable to lots of minimal installs. If you need wireless on your installed system and want an otherwise minimal system, select "Minimal" and then customize the package set to add NetworkManager (and/or whatever is needed for your setup). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
On Wednesday, 7. March 2012. 13.58.50 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Interesting! Because the wireless is used to do the minimal install. > > Anaconda uses NetworkManager. If I may chime in a bit... If anaconda uses NetworkManager for the minimal install, then NM should be a part of the minimal install, right? Or else, NM should be available on the minimal install boot media, so that the OP can use it somehow to activate his wireless network. I believe it would be quite funny to have wireless option during the installation, but not afterwards. The user should be able to activate wireless after the installation in the same way anaconda can do it during the installation. The question is how exactly to do it. I'd like to know the answer to this one too... ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: You can do it using iwconfig. You can also do it by using the network service instead of NetworkManager. You should have both options available with a minimal install. iwconfig may work for WEP, but what about WPA(2)? The man page says that passphrases are not supported. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
Ranjan Maitra wrote: Interesting! Because the wireless is used to do the minimal install. Anaconda uses NetworkManager. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2012 12:07 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> Just playing with minimal install: I was able to install minimally. >> Question: how do I switch on wireless? > > NetworkManager cannot connect to WEP/WPA type access points from a command-line. You must have a GUI (X+Gnome/KDE) installed. You can do it using iwconfig. You can also do it by using the network service instead of NetworkManager. You should have both options available with a minimal install. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9Xr5YACgkQqbQrVW3JyMTCjACdH4ayoo0xwMqgaP9oKIgAAa8l tdcAn0+U+GXS+5y2wMsKTn/Fg5S+XW4q =BQ+K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:23:52 -0600 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Thanks, my question is: how do I install anything from a minimal install > > using wireless? I am not committed to using NetworkManager: how does > > one turn wireless on after an install? > > As I said, you can't. > > wicd is an alternative to NetworkManager, but you won't have it in your > minimal install. > > There is no way that I know of to handle connecting to a wireless AP > outside of those two tools. Interesting! Because the wireless is used to do the minimal install. Thanks again, Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
Ranjan Maitra wrote: Thanks, my question is: how do I install anything from a minimal install using wireless? I am not committed to using NetworkManager: how does one turn wireless on after an install? As I said, you can't. wicd is an alternative to NetworkManager, but you won't have it in your minimal install. There is no way that I know of to handle connecting to a wireless AP outside of those two tools. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:07:25 -0600 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Just playing with minimal install: I was able to install minimally. > > Question: how do I switch on wireless? > > NetworkManager cannot connect to WEP/WPA type access points from a > command-line. You must have a GUI (X+Gnome/KDE) installed. Thanks, my question is: how do I install anything from a minimal install using wireless? I am not committed to using NetworkManager: how does one turn wireless on after an install? Best, Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
Ranjan Maitra wrote: Just playing with minimal install: I was able to install minimally. Question: how do I switch on wireless? NetworkManager cannot connect to WEP/WPA type access points from a command-line. You must have a GUI (X+Gnome/KDE) installed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:17:33 +0100 suvayu ali wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 04:01, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > but with wireless, I get > > > > Startnig network (via systemctl): Job failed. See system logs and > > 'systemctl status' for details > > [FAILED] > > > > Any suggestions? > > I think for wireless, NetworkManager is preferred. I would simply try: > > # yum install NetworkManager > # systemctl start NetworkManager.service Thanks, Suvayu! But I do not have the ability to install NetworkManager after a minimal install. Can't tell that I have anyway. Best wishes, Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 04:01, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > but with wireless, I get > > Startnig network (via systemctl): Job failed. See system logs and > 'systemctl status' for details > [FAILED] > > Any suggestions? I think for wireless, NetworkManager is preferred. I would simply try: # yum install NetworkManager # systemctl start NetworkManager.service -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
switching on wireless after minimal install: f16
Hi, Just playing with minimal install: I was able to install minimally. Question: how do I switch on wireless? Playing last week using wired, I simply did: chkconfig network on service network start but with wireless, I get Startnig network (via systemctl): Job failed. See system logs and 'systemctl status' for details [FAILED] Any suggestions? TIA and best, Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
