Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 13:23 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/19/2012 12:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > if you are upgrading a machine and not take a look > > wwhat services are running / enabled it's time for > > you to learn doing things right > > I've upgraded Fedora several times and never, until now, have I had the > slightest difficulty with services being disabled. And, IMAO, checking > to make sure you have the same services running after an upgrade as you > did before is simply common prudence if the upgrade includes a > completely new booting system. yeah but in your previous upgrades of Fedora, none of them involved a significant transition from SysV initscripts to something else (in this case systemd). Harald has a point... a one-shot upgrade doesn't necessarily justify the developers time to migrate each/every setting from sysv to systemd but this is a participatory OS and if you feel it is lacking, feel free to offer your time and energy to script the migration or otherwise recognize that you are just whining which apparently doesn't even give you catharsis. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 2012/01/19 07:34, Terry Polzin wrote:
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 15:00 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
systemctl status spamd.service
[root@voyager ~]# systemctl status ntpd.service
ntpd.service
Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
Active: inactive (dead)
[root@voyager ~]# systemctl status spamd.service
spamd.service
Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
Active: inactive (dead)
So what file is missing and why did the package maintainer fail to
include it?
[root@voyager ~]# yum list installed | grep -e spamassassin -e ntp
ntpdate.x86_644.2.6p4-1.fc16
@fedora
spamassassin.x86_64 3.3.2-7.fc16
@fedora
There never has been a spamd service. Use spamassassin instead. THEN
if spamassassin.service doesn't work, bellyache about taking a system
that worked to make a more baroque bloated system that doesn't work.
{^_-}
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Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 01/19/2012 12:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if you are upgrading a machine and not take a look wwhat services are running / enabled it's time for you to learn doing things right I've upgraded Fedora several times and never, until now, have I had the slightest difficulty with services being disabled. And, IMAO, checking to make sure you have the same services running after an upgrade as you did before is simply common prudence if the upgrade includes a completely new booting system. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
Am 19.01.2012 21:20, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 01/19/2012 08:12 AM, Terry Polzin wrote: >> OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. > > So is turning off rsyslog, but "upgrading" to F16 is known to do that, > sometimes. And, when I reported it as a > bug, the response from the devs was equivalent to "We don't care." One would > think that the logical thing to do > would be to start off by getting a list of all services installed along with > their boot status and making sure that > things end up with the same services enabled (or disabled) as before. I'm > sure the devs had a reason for not doing > this, but I find it hard to believe that if I knew what it was I'd agree. a really simple reason: the transition to systemd is a ONE TIME shot how many work will you do on this ONE step? if you are upgrading a machine and not take a look wwhat services are running / enabled it's time for you to learn doing things right signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 01/19/2012 08:12 AM, Terry Polzin wrote: OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. So is turning off rsyslog, but "upgrading" to F16 is known to do that, sometimes. And, when I reported it as a bug, the response from the devs was equivalent to "We don't care." One would think that the logical thing to do would be to start off by getting a list of all services installed along with their boot status and making sure that things end up with the same services enabled (or disabled) as before. I'm sure the devs had a reason for not doing this, but I find it hard to believe that if I knew what it was I'd agree. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
2012-01-19 17:35, Terry Polzin skrev: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 16:28 +, Frank Murphy wrote: On 19/01/12 16:12, Terry Polzin wrote: OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. Was F16 a clean install or upgrade from F<=15 -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Brand spankey new install on a new machine. I guess this systemctl/systemd stuff takes some getting used to. It is quit logical: $ sudo systemctl enable chronyd.service ln -s '/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service' '/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/chronyd.service' $ sudo systemctl start chronyd.service $ sudo systemctl status chronyd.service chronyd.service - NTP client/server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:32:40 +0100; 9s ago Process: 3 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/chrony-helper add-dhclient-servers (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 31108 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/chronyd -u chrony $OPTIONS (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 31099 ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/chrony-helper generate-commandkey (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 31110 (chronyd) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/chronyd.service └ 31110 /usr/sbin/chronyd -u chrony $ -- Regards Jon Ingason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 19/01/12 16:35, Terry Polzin wrote: -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Brand spankey new install on a new machine. I guess this systemctl/systemd stuff takes some getting used to. rpm -q chrony -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 16:28 +, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 19/01/12 16:12, Terry Polzin wrote: > > > > > OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. > > > > Was F16 a clean install or upgrade from F<=15 > > > -- > Regards, > > Frank Murphy > UTF_8 Encoded Brand spankey new install on a new machine. I guess this systemctl/systemd stuff takes some getting used to. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 19/01/12 16:12, Terry Polzin wrote: OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. Was F16 a clean install or upgrade from F<=15 -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
Am 19.01.2012 17:12, schrieb Terry Polzin: >> ntpd.service is provided by the ntp package, which you do not have >> installed. >> >> yum provides "*/ntpd.service" would have told you that. >> >> You need: >> >> yum install ntp >> >> >> ntpdate is not the same thing. >> >> >> - Mike >> > OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. yes, it is silly to complain instead install a service you want to start - default setups has to be as compact as possible! there is way too much crap installed as default over years signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
Once upon a time, Terry Polzin said: > OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. RTFRelease notes: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Sysadmin.html#id2975208 3.8.2. Chrony Fedora 16 uses Chrony as the default Network Time Protocol (NTP) client. Chrony is designed to work well even on systems with no permanent network connection (such as laptops), and is capable of much faster time synchronisation than standard ntp. Chrony has several advantages when used in systems running on virtual machines, such as a larger range for frequency correction to help correct quickly drifting clocks, and better response to rapid changes in the clock frequency. It also has a smaller memory footprint and no unnecessary process wakeups, improving power efficiency. Since Chrony is installed by default, ntpd is not. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 10:45 -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > > [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status ntpd.service > > ntpd.service > > Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) > > Active: inactive (dead) > > [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status spamd.service > > spamd.service > > Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) > > Active: inactive (dead) > > > > So what file is missing and why did the package maintainer fail to > > include it? > > > > [root@voyager ~]# yum list installed | grep -e spamassassin -e ntp > > > > ntpdate.x86_644.2.6p4-1.fc16 > > @fedora > > spamassassin.x86_64 3.3.2-7.fc16 > > @fedora > > ntpd.service is provided by the ntp package, which you do not have > installed. > > yum provides "*/ntpd.service" would have told you that. > > You need: > > yum install ntp > > > ntpdate is not the same thing. > > > - Mike > OK to ntpd wans't installed by default, that's just silly. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 19/01/12 15:53, Aaron Konstam wrote: Before you do a status command you need an enable command, at least. i.e: systemctl enable ntpd.service and then maybe: systemctl start ntpd.service not correct. systemctl staus foo.service will also return if a service is disabled. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 19/01/12 15:34, Terry Polzin wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 15:00 +, Frank Murphy wrote: systemctl status spamd.service [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status ntpd.service ntpd.service Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status spamd.service spamd.service Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) Have you ntp also installed? So what file is missing and why did the package maintainer fail to include it? [root@voyager ~]# yum list installed | grep -e spamassassin -e ntp ntpdate.x86_644.2.6p4-1.fc16 @fedora spamassassin.x86_64 3.3.2-7.fc16 @fedora It doesn't appear to have native systemd files, http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=2695852 so try "service spamd restart", and see what it does. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 10:34 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 15:00 +, Frank Murphy wrote: > > systemctl status spamd.service > > > > > [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status ntpd.service > ntpd.service > Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) > Active: inactive (dead) > [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status spamd.service > spamd.service > Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) > Active: inactive (dead) > > So what file is missing and why did the package maintainer fail to > include it? > > [root@voyager ~]# yum list installed | grep -e spamassassin -e ntp > > ntpdate.x86_644.2.6p4-1.fc16 > @fedora > spamassassin.x86_64 3.3.2-7.fc16 > @fedora > Before you do a status command you need an enable command, at least. i.e: systemctl enable ntpd.service and then maybe: systemctl start ntpd.service -- === air, n.: A nutritious substance supplied by a bountiful Providence for the fattening of the poor. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
[root@voyager ~]# systemctl status ntpd.service ntpd.service Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status spamd.service spamd.service Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) So what file is missing and why did the package maintainer fail to include it? [root@voyager ~]# yum list installed | grep -e spamassassin -e ntp ntpdate.x86_644.2.6p4-1.fc16 @fedora spamassassin.x86_64 3.3.2-7.fc16 @fedora ntpd.service is provided by the ntp package, which you do not have installed. yum provides "*/ntpd.service" would have told you that. You need: yum install ntp ntpdate is not the same thing. - Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 15:00 +, Frank Murphy wrote: > systemctl status spamd.service > > [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status ntpd.service ntpd.service Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@voyager ~]# systemctl status spamd.service spamd.service Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) So what file is missing and why did the package maintainer fail to include it? [root@voyager ~]# yum list installed | grep -e spamassassin -e ntp ntpdate.x86_644.2.6p4-1.fc16 @fedora spamassassin.x86_64 3.3.2-7.fc16 @fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd broken for key servcies in F16
On 19/01/12 14:56, Terry Polzin wrote: Come on, NTP doesn't run systemd says it's failed? Where are the error messages. no rpoblems with ntp here. try: systemctl status ntpd.service Same thing with spamd (spamassassin). Sorry, don' use it, but maybe: systemctl status spamd.service -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
systemd broken for key servcies in F16
Come on, NTP doesn't run systemd says it's failed? Where are the error messages. Same thing with spamd (spamassassin). Major failure of the developers here, maybe we need to S-L-O-W down the release process. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
