Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[g]

On 07/20/2014 03:46 AM, poma wrote:

On 19.07.2014 09:52, g wrote:

<<>>


If you expect the full support whatever that means you better go with
the company like System76 and similar, see


my apologies poma, maybe i should have marked my reply after

  "i would tend to agree,"

with;

  /;-) and /(-;

instead of a single ;-), to indicate spoofing of earlier comments of
linux installed laptops.

<>


After all we are dealing with the Linux, right.


this is true.


I also understand the different user preferences, so go ye

> therefore, and be fruitful.

all my "boxen" have been bare bones from first release of Red Hat.

my first linux install was slackware, which replaced oos via floppies.

> "Power" is just a marketing buzzword, too much saké

or something, I guess.


agreed. for sure it is not Metaxa 7 Stars, or Metaxa 12 Stars.

   http://www.metaxa.com/en/

which is make from grapes and is 40% abv or better.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[poma]

On 19.07.2014 09:52, g wrote:



On 07/19/2014 01:05 PM, poma wrote:

On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:



On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote:
<<>>


Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced.
Come back down to earth.


"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.



There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo


i would tend to agree, with one exception. they state;

 Best-selling models powered by the latest computing technology.

in as much as fact that i consider the os as a part of 'power', they
lose out because they supply systems with oos.

if they offered linux os, that would up power factor by 200%. ;-)




If you expect the full support whatever that means you better go with the 
company like System76 and similar, see http://linuxpreloaded.com.
But it will cost you extra, and the "extra" I'd rather left to the users 
themselves to study the hardware components and everything related to it, and to build 
their own machine from bottom to top i.e. barebone, see e.g. http://goo.gl/gMImde.
After all we are dealing with the Linux, right. I also understand the different 
user preferences, so go ye therefore, and be fruitful.
"Power" is just a marketing buzzword, too much saké or something, I guess.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Tim]

On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 15:22 -0700, Lists wrote:
> I buy laptop with Windows, then buy a second SSD for Linux. When I
> want to play a game or take advantage of support, I use the Windows
> drive. When I want to get work done, I swap and use the Linux HDD.
> Just make sure the laptop has an externally accessible drive bay.

You might want to check the specs on the connector.  For instance,
ordinary SATA connectors are often only rated to survive about fifty
unplug/plug cycles.  They're designed to let you build a system, and do
a small amount of fiddling around (debug something, upgrade a drive),
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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

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On 07/20/2014 01:20 AM, Temlakos wrote:
<<>>


But that scarcely matters. After all, we get the chance to load any OS
we want, in any distro, from Fedora to Ubuntu to Gentoo.


wow.
 really?
  i did not know that.
   where did you learn that?
must be something really new.
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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Temlakos]

On 07/19/2014 03:52 AM, g wrote:



On 07/19/2014 01:05 PM, poma wrote:

On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:



On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote:
<<>>


Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced.
Come back down to earth.


"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.



There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo


i would tend to agree, with one exception. they state;

   Best-selling models powered by the latest computing technology.

in as much as fact that i consider the os as a part of 'power', they
lose out because they supply systems with oos.

if they offered linux os, that would up power factor by 200%. ;-)




But that scarcely matters. After all, we get the chance to load any OS 
we want, in any distro, from Fedora to Ubuntu to Gentoo.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[g]

On 07/19/2014 01:05 PM, poma wrote:

On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:



On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote:
<<>>


Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced.
Come back down to earth.


"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.



There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo


i would tend to agree, with one exception. they state;

   Best-selling models powered by the latest computing technology.

in as much as fact that i consider the os as a part of 'power', they
lose out because they supply systems with oos.

if they offered linux os, that would up power factor by 200%. ;-)


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Andre Robatino]

Ranjan Maitra  inbox.com> writes:

> > Yes, if anything I've found that no-OS machines are if anything more
> > expensive, due to the lack of the "crapware discount". And there are
> > utilities you can use to backup up the existing activation, and then do a
> > clean install, getting rid of the crapware. And on occasion Windows is
> > necessary for doing things (like updating firmware) that aren't supported on
> > Linux, and you don't need to devote a lot of disk space to it just to have
> > it around.
> > 
> 
> This may be true in general but the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu last year
> was $150 less than the one with Windoze. 

Something that just occurred to me - maybe Windows on high end hardware is
less likely to come with crapware, so you don't get the discount. Or maybe
the price of the Windows license is higher, so the discount doesn't cover
it. The stuff I buy is always cheap so I don't know.




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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Brian Millett]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:05:39 +0200
poma  wrote:

> On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote:
> > <<>>
> >
> >> Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced.
> >> Come back down to earth.
> >
> > "flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.
> >
> 
> There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo
> 
> 
> poma
> 
> 

Yep, got a system from xoticpc which is a sager/clevo system that is very fast
and a workhorse running fedora 20

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np2740-clevo-w740su-p-6201.html


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[poma]

On 18.07.2014 15:32, g wrote:



On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote:
<<>>


Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced.
Come back down to earth.


"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.



There is no better recommendation than their own effort, right g-man? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevo


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

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On 07/17/2014 02:41 PM, poma wrote:
<<>>


Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced.
Come back down to earth.


"flagrantly overpriced" is flagrantly understated.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Steven Rosenberg]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Lists  wrote:
> I buy laptop with Windows, then buy a second SSD for Linux. When I want to
> play a game or take advantage of support, I use the Windows drive. When I
> want to get work done, I swap and use the Linux HDD. Just make sure the
> laptop has an externally accessible drive bay.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Robin Laing]

On 2014-07-16 09:07, Neal Becker wrote:

Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google shows
mostly 5 year old info.

What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?



I have read the thread before commenting.

I am going to be purchasing a laptop in the near future and feel the 
same as you.  I will probably setup the computer as dual boot for those 
times that I need Windoze such as updating my old Garmin GPS.


One thing I would suggest is that you don't walk out of the store 
without a valid Windows disk.  I purchased a computer last year and the 
image was on a partition.  I toasted the partition due to my first 
working with gpt and this new partition scheme.  I needed to go back to 
the store and they gave me a copy of the Windows program.


The store thought I could make recovery disks from the system but this 
particular machine didn't have the tools for creating a recovery disk.


Dell is the computer of choice at work but if there are issues, then you 
may be forced to use DEL



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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Lists]

On 07/16/2014 05:02 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>> My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and 
don't worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's 
pocket.  With Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in 
the shell or using their app store; that pretty much does the job 
these days.


I buy laptop with Windows, then buy a second SSD for Linux. When I want 
to play a game or take advantage of support, I use the Windows drive. 
When I want to get work done, I swap and use the Linux HDD. Just make 
sure the laptop has an externally accessible drive bay.



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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:18:17 + Andre Robatino
 wrote:

> Pete Travis  petetravis.com> writes:
> 
> > Yes, my experience is that buying user devices like laptops and desktops
> (servers are a different story) > are not cheaper without Windows
> preinstalled.  That wasn't the case ~10 years ago when I
> > started asking, and it wasn't the case recently when deploying ~100
> machines for $dayjob that
> > were immediately reimaged using our Windows site licence without ever
> booting the OEM install.
> 
> Yes, if anything I've found that no-OS machines are if anything more
> expensive, due to the lack of the "crapware discount". And there are
> utilities you can use to backup up the existing activation, and then do a
> clean install, getting rid of the crapware. And on occasion Windows is
> necessary for doing things (like updating firmware) that aren't supported on
> Linux, and you don't need to devote a lot of disk space to it just to have
> it around.
> 

This may be true in general but the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu last year
was $150 less than the one with Windoze. 

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Andre Robatino]

Pete Travis  petetravis.com> writes:

> Yes, my experience is that buying user devices like laptops and desktops
(servers are a different story) > are not cheaper without Windows
preinstalled.  That wasn't the case ~10 years ago when I
> started asking, and it wasn't the case recently when deploying ~100
machines for $dayjob that
> were immediately reimaged using our Windows site licence without ever
booting the OEM install.

Yes, if anything I've found that no-OS machines are if anything more
expensive, due to the lack of the "crapware discount". And there are
utilities you can use to backup up the existing activation, and then do a
clean install, getting rid of the crapware. And on occasion Windows is
necessary for doing things (like updating firmware) that aren't supported on
Linux, and you don't need to devote a lot of disk space to it just to have
it around.





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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[poma]

On 17.07.2014 08:20, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

 From Dell, I bought the Dell XPS 13 last year with Ubuntu on it. I am
very pleased with it.

Not sure if this will qualify as a high-performance for you though.

Ranjan

On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:07:03 -0700 Geoffrey Leach 
wrote:


I think you will find what you're looking for at Puget Systems 
http://www.pugetsystems.com/. Not cheap, but they stand behind what they sell.

On 07/16/2014 08:07:06 AM, Neal Becker wrote:

Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google
shows
mostly 5 year old info.

What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?




Absolutely all the recommended machines are flagrantly overpriced.
Come back down to earth.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Ranjan Maitra]

From Dell, I bought the Dell XPS 13 last year with Ubuntu on it. I am
very pleased with it. 

Not sure if this will qualify as a high-performance for you though.

Ranjan

On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:07:03 -0700 Geoffrey Leach 
wrote:

> I think you will find what you're looking for at Puget Systems 
> http://www.pugetsystems.com/. Not cheap, but they stand behind what they sell.
> 
> On 07/16/2014 08:07:06 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google
> > shows 
> > mostly 5 year old info.
> > 
> > What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
> > that 
> > works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
> 
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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

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I think you will find what you're looking for at Puget Systems 
http://www.pugetsystems.com/. Not cheap, but they stand behind what they sell.

On 07/16/2014 08:07:06 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
> Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google
> shows 
> mostly 5 year old info.
> 
> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
> that 
> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Glenn Holmer]

On 07/16/2014 01:17 PM, Jack Wallen wrote:
> Or system76.com. I purchased a Leopard Extreme desktop from them.
> They've been fantastic (and the machine is a beast).

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Kenneth Marcy]

On 7/16/2014 1:01 PM, poma wrote:

On 16.07.2014 20:36, Kenneth Marcy wrote:


No need to apologize for the subject because technology advances, so the
answer changes for the same questions.


Vorsprung durch technik.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Edik Landaveri]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:13:19 +0530
Sudhir Khanger  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Neal Becker  wrote:
> 
> > and without paying windoze tax?
> 
> 
> Monetarily you won't save much. Lenovo guys shipped me a Thinkpad without
> Windows. Only recommendation I have is to not buy dual-graphic-card systems.

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Kenneth Marcy]

On 7/16/2014 4:41 PM, Temlakos wrote:
So what you're saying is, Microsoft makes no money, or even loses 
money, on OEM installations, and hopes to make all their money on 
those who upgrade existing hardware from one version of Windows to 
another. Or maybe on advertising through the Bing search engine.


In a word, no.  Microsoft's financial reporting model has changed in the 
last couple of years, making direct revenue and earnings by product less 
obvious than previously.  However, it is still the case that 70 percent 
of Microsoft's revenue comes from commercial and consumer licensing, and 
from those most of the company's profits derive.  Other divisions taken 
together are profitable, though individual areas may still be investment 
rather than profit centers.  To suggest that Microsoft is not making 
money on Windows and Office licenses is simply not true.



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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Pete Travis]

On Jul 16, 2014 5:41 PM, "Temlakos"  wrote:
>
> On 07/16/2014 04:17 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2014 9:07 AM, "Neal Becker"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google
shows
>> > mostly 5 year old info.
>> >
>> > What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
that
>> > works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>>
>> You're aware that in a lot of (most? All?) cases, it's actually
*Microsoft* that pays the "windoze tax", right?  They want to get their
product in front of users and want their latest and geatest, like win8, to
be popular. They might actually provide incentives to the OEM ranging from
license discounts to free licences and then some.
>>
>> My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and don't
worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's pocket.  With
Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in the shell or using
their app store; that pretty much does the job these days.
>>
>> I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, a flagship Windows8 convertible ultrabook.
It works great, and I have never booted Windows on it.
>>
>> --Pete
>>
>>
>>
> So what you're saying is, Microsoft makes no money, or even loses money,
on OEM installations, and hopes to make all their money on those who
upgrade existing hardware from one version of Windows to another. Or maybe
on advertising through the Bing search engine.
>
> If that's true, then I suggest Richard Stallman was correct and the
business model of a proprietary operating system was never tenable
long-range, and has come to the end of the road. Because I'm sure everyone
knows that no enterprise, that has any true sense of TCO, upgrades existing
hardware from one version of Windows to the next. Each succeeding version
of Windows is a worse resource hog than the last, and also breaks at least
one application the enterprise uses regularly. So what they do instead is
wait until their version of Windows is approaching EOL, then upgrade
hardware and software together. (I recently bought a new machine, moved all
my apps onto it, then ended up erasing them all because the new Windows had
to go through a full system refresh just to install a "vital update.")
>
> And let's see if I further have you straight: nobody's going to get a
significant discount, or indeed even an insignificant discount, by buying a
"bare" machine with no OS installed.
>
> Temlakos
>
> --
>

Yes, my experience is that buying user devices like laptops and desktops
(servers are a different story) are not cheaper without Windows
preinstalled.  That wasn't the case ~10 years ago when I started asking,
and it wasn't the case recently when deploying ~100 machines for $dayjob
that were immediately reimaged using our Windows site licence without ever
booting the OEM install.

The speculation about business models and enterprise practices is even more
OT than the rest of this thread, and probably more appropriate somewhere
else.

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/17/14 07:41, Temlakos wrote:
> And let's see if I further have you straight: nobody's going to get a 
> significant discount, or indeed even an insignificant discount, by buying a 
> "bare" machine with no OS installed.

I don't know what you consider "significant" but a quick search turns up 
articles such as this one

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-22/microsoft-said-to-cut-windows-price-70-to-counter-rivals.html

which indicates

"Manufacturers will be charged $15 to license Windows 8.1 and preinstall it on 
devices that retail for less than $250, instead of the usual fee of $50, said 
the people, who asked not to be named because the details aren’t public."

I suspect that even the $50 charge is highest/starting price to manufactures 
and subject additional volume discounting.

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Temlakos]

On 07/16/2014 04:17 PM, Pete Travis wrote:



On Jul 16, 2014 9:07 AM, "Neal Becker" > wrote:

>
> Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But 
google shows

> mostly 5 year old info.
>
> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance 
laptop that

> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
>
> --
>

You're aware that in a lot of (most? All?) cases, it's actually 
*Microsoft* that pays the "windoze tax", right? They want to get their 
product in front of users and want their latest and geatest, like 
win8, to be popular. They might actually provide incentives to the OEM 
ranging from license discounts to free licences and then some.


My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and 
don't worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's 
pocket.  With Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in 
the shell or using their app store; that pretty much does the job 
these days.


I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, a flagship Windows8 convertible 
ultrabook.  It works great, and I have never booted Windows on it.


--Pete



So what you're saying is, Microsoft makes no money, or even loses money, 
on OEM installations, and hopes to make all their money on those who 
upgrade existing hardware from one version of Windows to another. Or 
maybe on advertising through the Bing search engine.


If that's true, then I suggest Richard Stallman was correct and the 
business model of a proprietary operating system was never tenable 
long-range, and has come to the end of the road. Because I'm sure 
everyone knows that no enterprise, that has any true sense of TCO, 
upgrades existing hardware from one version of Windows to the next. Each 
succeeding version of Windows is a worse resource hog than the last, and 
also breaks at least one application the enterprise uses regularly. So 
what they do instead is wait until their version of Windows is 
approaching EOL, then upgrade hardware and software together. (I 
recently bought a new machine, moved all my apps onto it, then ended up 
erasing them all because the new Windows had to go through a full system 
refresh just to install a "vital update.")


And let's see if I further have you straight: nobody's going to get a 
significant discount, or indeed even an insignificant discount, by 
buying a "bare" machine with no OS installed.


Temlakos
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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Pete Travis]

On Jul 16, 2014 9:07 AM, "Neal Becker"  wrote:
>
> Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google
shows
> mostly 5 year old info.
>
> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
that
> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
>
> --
>

You're aware that in a lot of (most? All?) cases, it's actually *Microsoft*
that pays the "windoze tax", right?  They want to get their product in
front of users and want their latest and geatest, like win8, to be popular.
They might actually provide incentives to the OEM ranging from license
discounts to free licences and then some.

My advice is to pick a machine based on your needs and budget and don't
worry too much about keeping your cash out of Microsoft's pocket.  With
Fedora you won't be getting MS news or bing results in the shell or using
their app store; that pretty much does the job these days.

I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, a flagship Windows8 convertible ultrabook.  It
works great, and I have never booted Windows on it.

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[poma]

On 16.07.2014 20:36, Kenneth Marcy wrote:


No need to apologize for the subject because technology advances, so the
answer changes for the same questions.


Vorsprung durch technik.


poma


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[murph]

Thinkpenguin.com has a model that goes to 1920x1080, no windows.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Temlakos  wrote:
> On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker  wrote:
>>
>> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop
>> that
>> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
>
>
>
> Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com.  I haven't bought one from them
> yet, but I'm so tempted ...
>
> Regards,
> Ben
>
>
>
> ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p on
> screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls limited
> to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a laptop delivers
> "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.
>
> I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at the
> factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They won't tell me
> whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.
>
> Temlakos
>
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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Ben Matteson]

On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 14:23 -0400, Temlakos wrote:
> On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker 
> > wrote:
> > What are some recommendations for a relatively high
> > performance laptop that
> > works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax

> > Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com.  I haven't bought one
> > from them yet, but I'm so tempted ...
> > Regards,
> > Ben

> ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p
> on screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls
> limited to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a
> laptop delivers "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.
> 
> I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at
> the factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They
> won't tell me whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.
> 
> Temlakos

I found each model clearly says what the display resolution is, eg: the
Alto X445:

"Features:

4th Generation Intel Core Processor
Bright, anti-glare 14" LED backlit HD display @ 1920x1080 pixels
Brushed Aluminum Lid/Touchpad area"
etc

> 


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Kenneth Marcy]

On 7/16/2014 8:07 AM, Neal Becker wrote:

Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google shows
mostly 5 year old info.


No need to apologize for the subject because technology advances, so the 
answer changes for the same questions.



What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?


This question needs to be answered relative to a triple of 
considerations including performance, price, and availability. 
Compromises among these characteristics may be necessary to make a 
timely, affordable choice.


If your definition of performance includes both video and data 
processing performance, then higher screen pixel densities, tending 
toward quad resolution (3840 x 2160), or closer to it, will be 
considered.  Other similar terminology includes 4K screens or QHD+ 
displays.  This level of hardware needs appropriate software to support 
it, and that means a combination of vendor video drivers, kernel 
performance, and scalable-resolution application support.  At this 
moment, the optimal combination of these factors may not yet be ready to 
install and use on the higher-resolution laptop screens.


If your definition of performance does not require higher-definition 
video, then the number of candidate machines increases, their prices 
decrease considering their capabilities, and software development may be 
relatively more complete and better match the hardware capabilities.  
These products are available to put into service without waiting for 
advancements in video software development.


If price is an important consideration, you may wish to consider 
refurbished equipment to obtain a better performance to price ratio, and 
with your choice of distribution version given adequate support of each 
of the machine's capabilities.  If your requirement is new hardware that 
has never been sold with a Windows license, then choices among hardware 
capabilities likely will be restrained among models, and price 
differentials may be relatively modest.



Ken

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Dave Stevens]

Quoting Temlakos :


On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker > wrote:


   What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance
   laptop that
   works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?



Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com .  
I haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm so tempted ...


Regards,
Ben




ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p  
on screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today  
ls limited to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a  
laptop delivers "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.


see here: http://zareason.com/shop/Mir-640.html, " a 3k 15.6"  
(2880x1620) IPS LED backlit screen"


D



I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed  
at the factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE.  
They won't tell me whether they restrict their pre-installation to  
Gnome.


Temlakos






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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Temlakos]

On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker > wrote:


What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance
laptop that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?



Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com . I 
haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm so tempted ...


Regards,
Ben




ZaReason won't say whether their laptop models go up to 1920 x 1080p on 
screen resolution. Every laptop I have seen on the market today ls 
limited to 1364 x 768 resolution. I call that "half-def." Until a laptop 
delivers "full-def," it will never replace a desktop.


I like the idea that I can order this maching with Fedora installed at 
the factory. The only thing is: I've fallen in love with KDE. They won't 
tell me whether they restrict their pre-installation to Gnome.


Temlakos

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Ben]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker  wrote:

> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that
> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
>


Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com.  I haven't bought one from
them yet, but I'm so tempted ...

Regards,
Ben
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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Paul Cartwright]

On 07/16/2014 11:07 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
> Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google shows 
> mostly 5 year old info.
>
> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that 
> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?
I have been happy with all of my Dell laptops, 2 are dual-boot
windows/linux.. I have had a need every so often to run windows..  worth
the extra expense..
and the dual boots have been all of: OpenSuSe, fedora, Debian, Ubuntu,
Linux Mint, and probably a few more I forget.. my older one will soon
be, or at least boot Neon8, the new KDE5..

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Jack Wallen]

On 07/16/2014 02:15 PM, Ben wrote:


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Neal Becker > wrote:


What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance
laptop that
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?



Surprised no one has mentioned zareason.com . I 
haven't bought one from them yet, but I'm so tempted ...


Regards,
Ben


Or system76.com. I purchased a Leopard Extreme desktop from them. 
They've been fantastic (and the machine is a beast).


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[davidschaak1]

Sorry about top posting, my phone won't bottom post.

Try thinkpenguin.com. They have evrything linux.
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity

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Subject: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google shows 
mostly 5 year old info.

What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that 
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Neal Becker  wrote:

> and without paying windoze tax?


Monetarily you won't save much. Lenovo guys shipped me a Thinkpad without
Windows. Only recommendation I have is to not buy dual-graphic-card systems.


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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Glenn Holmer]

On 07/16/2014 10:07 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that 
> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?

I haven't bought any laptops from these guys, but I did buy three
desktop machines and have been very satisfied:

https://system76.com/

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Re: wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Jan Zelený]

On 16. 7. 2014 at 11:07:06, Neal Becker wrote:
> Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google shows
> mostly 5 year old info.
> 
> What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that
> works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?

Just yesterday, I saw this offer:

Ultrabook Dell Latitude E7440, Linux preinstalled (not sure what Linux 
though).
CPU: i7-4600U
GPU: Intel HD 4400
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 500GB
Display: 14" FHD

I have very good experience with older Latitute E6500, I suppose this might 
work well too.

HTH
Jan
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wanted: performance laptop, no windoze tax

[Neal Becker]

Sorry, I know this subject has been written about before.  But google shows 
mostly 5 year old info.

What are some recommendations for a relatively high performance laptop that 
works well on linux, and without paying windoze tax?

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