Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Wednesday 19 January 2011 06:13:36 Patrick Bartek wrote: > FWIW, today, there is a Linux window manager, AmiWM, that gives Linux the > look of the classic AmigaOS 3.x Workbench for those die hard Amiga > groupies. Of which, I'm not one. Got rid of all my Amiga stuff 10 years > ago. Say, did anyone package that for Fedora? I'd like to take a look... ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
Parshwa Murdia wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly
> then GNOME desktop?
It depends upon what you like. I use GNOME, but mostly just to
manage windows. I don't use the file browser, or any of the GUI
stuff from the menus. The only menu items I use are "Lock Screen",
"Logout" and the little icon clicks on the workspace bar for
starting my mail reader and browser. I use those about once
per boot up, which is about once per 200 days. Once I have a
terminal window, I just clone it using the right click and
"open terminal", so I guess that's another. Mostly, I use
command line stuff, so for me it wouldn't matter. I don't use
the editors which came with GNOME, gedit or whatever it is.
I use eog, but from the command line with a file name. I use
GIMP once in a while because the version of eog I have is broken
and can't print, but I do it also with the command line and
a file name.
If you use the menus a lot, and the provided editors and
whatnot with the file browser, then I guess it would make
a difference which you liked.
Mike
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Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > IMHO, if you are new to both, try both and decide for yourself. > Chances are you will settle on one. Then, as times goes by, changes > will be made to whatever one you pick and you'll think of switching to > the other. > But no matter which one you go with, you will never be 100% happy. Kind > of like picking a significant other. :-) On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > I'm GNOME follower. And I hate KDE. In fact I hated it from my first try > and I hate it even more with all its candy changes in KDE 4. And believe > me, I've even tried hard to force myself into it. In fact I still have > openSUSE KDE installed on my multidistro system and from time to time I > do use it. But... I just cannot stand it. :-) > Why? I do not know... At last there are a lot of people that love it and > that say: "I hate it",- about GNOME. Well if so many people like KDE that > means they find it real good. > So, you see, it IS personal. It's like asking around which beer is > better, Pale Ale or Porter. Just taste both yourself and choose one you > like better. So I would go for both one by one and see. First, say most of the people say, KDE would be easier (for those who are novices in Linux), so install that first. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia Making the simple complicated is commonplace, making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's innovation.. -C Mingus -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
--- On Tue, 1/18/11, Boggiano wrote: > --- On Tue, 1/18/11, g wrote: > > > On 01/18/2011 02:52 PM, Temlakos wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect that the answer depends solely on whether > > you come to Linux > > > from Mac or Windows. > > What about those of us who came from AmigaOS and its Workbench GUI, and > skipped MSDOS, Windows & Macs all together? ;-) They use command line'of course! CLI FOREVER ! :) That was DOS. The Amiga had a very advanced (for its day) graphic interface a couple years before MS introduced Windows 1.0. I rarely needed to use the Amiga CLI. FWIW, today, there is a Linux window manager, AmiWM, that gives Linux the look of the classic AmigaOS 3.x Workbench for those die hard Amiga groupies. Of which, I'm not one. Got rid of all my Amiga stuff 10 years ago. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:32:34 +0100, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > Hi, > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly then > GNOME desktop? A basic question indeed. :-) Yes, like almost everybody states it is very personal. I'm GNOME follower. And I hate KDE. In fact I hated it from my first try and I hate it even more with all its candy changes in KDE 4. And believe me, I've even tried hard to force myself into it. In fact I still have openSUSE KDE installed on my multidistro system and from time to time I do use it. But... I just cannot stand it. :-) Why? I do not know... At last there are a lot of people that love it and that say: "I hate it",- about GNOME. Well if so many people like KDE that means they find it real good. So, you see, it IS personal. It's like asking around which beer is better, Pale Ale or Porter. Just taste both yourself and choose one you like better. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On 01/18/2011 07:32 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > Hi, > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > then GNOME desktop? It depends on the user. IMHO, if you are new to both, try both and decide for yourself. Chances are you will settle on one. Then, as times goes by, changes will be made to whatever one you pick and you'll think of switching to the other. But no matter which one you go with, you will never be 100% happy. Kind of like picking a significant other. :-) -- When you're down and out, lift up your voice and shout, "I'M DOWN AND OUT"! 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, g wrote: > > > On 01/18/2011 02:52 PM, Temlakos wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect that the answer depends solely on whether > > you come to Linux > > > from Mac or Windows. > What about those of us who came from AmigaOS and its Workbench GUI, and > skipped MSDOS, Windows & Macs all together? ;-) They use command line'of course! CLI FOREVER ! :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On 01/18/2011 10:05 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > --- On Tue, 1/18/11, g wrote: >> On 01/18/2011 02:52 PM, Temlakos wrote: >>> I suspect that the answer depends solely on whether you come to Linux >>> from Mac or Windows. >> so what would you suspect for those of us who moved from unix to slackware >> and changed from gnome to kde? > > What about those of us who came from AmigaOS and its Workbench GUI, and > skipped MSDOS, Windows & Macs all together? ;-) i believe temlakos to be too young to be aware of amiga os, much less s100 buss, where i started, and was before 'x windows'. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
--- On Tue, 1/18/11, g wrote: > On 01/18/2011 02:52 PM, Temlakos wrote: > > > > I suspect that the answer depends solely on whether > you come to Linux > > from Mac or Windows. > > so what would you suspect for those of us who moved from > unix to > slackware and changed from gnome to kde? What about those of us who came from AmigaOS and its Workbench GUI, and skipped MSDOS, Windows & Macs all together? ;-) B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On 01/18/2011 02:52 PM, Temlakos wrote: > I suspect that the answer depends solely on whether you come to Linux > from Mac or Windows. so what would you suspect for those of us who moved from unix to slackware and changed from gnome to kde? among reason for staying with kde is i like konqueror better than gnome file browser. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Temlakos wrote: > I suspect that the answer depends solely on whether you come to Linux > from Mac or Windows. > GNOME <-> Mac > KDE <-> Windows > The handling of user-switching in KDE told the tale. In GNOME, all you > get is a "New Login" option in a menu. As for switching among sessions? > Well, that's what comes of not knowing how to do that on a Mac. > KDE handles that exactly the same way that Windows does. It even has > some of the same button designs. > I imagine that the two desktops will each appeal to different groups of > users that come to Linux from different GUI families. Now it is very clear that I should go for KDE as I have come from Windows. Your reply is really very clear and understandable. Thanks. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia Making the simple complicated is commonplace, making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's innocation.. -Charles Mingus -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
--- On Tue, 1/18/11, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user > friendly > then GNOME desktop? No, it isn't, but since you can totally customize either, the question is really irrelevant. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On 01/18/2011 06:32 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > Hi, > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > then GNOME desktop? I suspect that the answer depends solely on whether you come to Linux from Mac or Windows. GNOME <-> Mac KDE <-> Windows The handling of user-switching in KDE told the tale. In GNOME, all you get is a "New Login" option in a menu. As for switching among sessions? Well, that's what comes of not knowing how to do that on a Mac. KDE handles that exactly the same way that Windows does. It even has some of the same button designs. I imagine that the two desktops will each appeal to different groups of users that come to Linux from different GUI families. I also imagine that they'll be the "Republicans and Democrats" of desktops. (That's a Yankee-ism. For you British, make that "Tories and Labourites", or "Tories and Liberals" in Canada. Alex, this might be your "Christian Democrats" and "Social Democrats.") Temlakos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Steve Searle wrote: > Around 12:36pm on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 (UK time), Parshwa Murdia > scrawled: > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:19 PM, nathan forbes > wrote: > > > > > True, this is bound to turn into a flame-war... > > > It's all just personal preference anyway. If you wanna know about a DE > or > > > WM, just try it out, and then you know yourself... > > > > True for you because you are from IT field but not I am. I have to use > > the more user friendly one. If they both have different utilities, I > > would go for each one individually! > > Nearly all (and perhaps all) GNOME apps work with KDE and vice-versa. > > Steve > > -- > > Website: www.stevesearle.com > Twitter: @ReddishShift > Facebook: www.facebook.com/steve.searle > > 12:37:46 up 11 days, 2:17, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 > > -- > Yeah you can use just about all the GNOME/KDE apps in either one. And I'm not from the IT field btw... (just a hobby) > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
Around 12:36pm on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 (UK time), Parshwa Murdia scrawled: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:19 PM, nathan forbes wrote: > > > True, this is bound to turn into a flame-war... > > It's all just personal preference anyway. If you wanna know about a DE or > > WM, just try it out, and then you know yourself... > > True for you because you are from IT field but not I am. I have to use > the more user friendly one. If they both have different utilities, I > would go for each one individually! Nearly all (and perhaps all) GNOME apps work with KDE and vice-versa. Steve -- Website: www.stevesearle.com Twitter: @ReddishShift Facebook: www.facebook.com/steve.searle 12:37:46 up 11 days, 2:17, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 pgpMBD3QS3hEg.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:19 PM, nathan forbes wrote: > True, this is bound to turn into a flame-war... > It's all just personal preference anyway. If you wanna know about a DE or > WM, just try it out, and then you know yourself... True for you because you are from IT field but not I am. I have to use the more user friendly one. If they both have different utilities, I would go for each one individually! -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 07:12 -0500, nathan forbes wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Tom Horsley > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:32:34 +0100 > > > Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > > > > > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > > > > then GNOME desktop? > > > > > > As far as I'm concerned they are both intensely user-hostile. > > > They insist on changing the way everything works and is laid out > > > on a regular basis, so your most frequent impression is "What > > > the Hell?!" > > > > > > My philosophy: > > > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/stick/stick.html > > > -- > > > > > Lol yeah that sounds about right. > > > > They both have their strong points IMO. I was a GNOME user for a long > time > > and later switched to KDE. > > GNOME has a simplicity thing about it that makes it easier to use > sometimes. > > But if you're a die-hard GNOME user > > and then switch to KDE and really give it a chance, I think you'll find > that > > KDE has a lot of nice features that GNOME just > > doesn't have. And I don't mean just eye-candy stuff (although KDE's > menus, > > etc. are easier on the eyes and look more modern). > > > > Like for example, if you do any programming, and you like to use a GUI > text > > editor sometimes, > > compare the features of Gedit to Kate... > > First of all, the OPs question is so ill-defined as to be meaningless, > so I don't intend to answer it. In fact it sounds like a troll to me. > However arguing for one desktop over another on the basis of specific > apps is also meaningless, since they all work in both. > > poc (using Evolution on my KDE desktop) > True, this is bound to turn into a flame-war... It's all just personal preference anyway. If you wanna know about a DE or WM, just try it out, and then you know yourself... > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 07:12 -0500, nathan forbes wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:32:34 +0100 > > Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > > > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > > > then GNOME desktop? > > > > As far as I'm concerned they are both intensely user-hostile. > > They insist on changing the way everything works and is laid out > > on a regular basis, so your most frequent impression is "What > > the Hell?!" > > > > My philosophy: > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/stick/stick.html > > -- > > > Lol yeah that sounds about right. > > They both have their strong points IMO. I was a GNOME user for a long time > and later switched to KDE. > GNOME has a simplicity thing about it that makes it easier to use sometimes. > But if you're a die-hard GNOME user > and then switch to KDE and really give it a chance, I think you'll find that > KDE has a lot of nice features that GNOME just > doesn't have. And I don't mean just eye-candy stuff (although KDE's menus, > etc. are easier on the eyes and look more modern). > > Like for example, if you do any programming, and you like to use a GUI text > editor sometimes, > compare the features of Gedit to Kate... First of all, the OPs question is so ill-defined as to be meaningless, so I don't intend to answer it. In fact it sounds like a troll to me. However arguing for one desktop over another on the basis of specific apps is also meaningless, since they all work in both. poc (using Evolution on my KDE desktop) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
Around 11:47am on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 (UK time), Tom Horsley scrawled: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:32:34 +0100 > Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > > then GNOME desktop? > > As far as I'm concerned they are both intensely user-hostile. > They insist on changing the way everything works and is laid out > on a regular basis, so your most frequent impression is "What > the Hell?!" I'm a long time GNOME user, and I've never had this problem. Which is not to deny that others may legitimately think differently. As suggested earlier, why not try different ones, you can select which you use at logon. I also like XFCE, as well. Steve -- Website: www.stevesearle.com Twitter: @ReddishShift Facebook: www.facebook.com/steve.searle 12:11:00 up 11 days, 1:50, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 pgpieQWtczLqt.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:32:34 +0100 > Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > > then GNOME desktop? > > As far as I'm concerned they are both intensely user-hostile. > They insist on changing the way everything works and is laid out > on a regular basis, so your most frequent impression is "What > the Hell?!" > > My philosophy: > > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/stick/stick.html > -- > Lol yeah that sounds about right. They both have their strong points IMO. I was a GNOME user for a long time and later switched to KDE. GNOME has a simplicity thing about it that makes it easier to use sometimes. But if you're a die-hard GNOME user and then switch to KDE and really give it a chance, I think you'll find that KDE has a lot of nice features that GNOME just doesn't have. And I don't mean just eye-candy stuff (although KDE's menus, etc. are easier on the eyes and look more modern). Like for example, if you do any programming, and you like to use a GUI text editor sometimes, compare the features of Gedit to Kate... > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:32:34 +0100 Parshwa Murdia wrote: > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > then GNOME desktop? As far as I'm concerned they are both intensely user-hostile. They insist on changing the way everything works and is laid out on a regular basis, so your most frequent impression is "What the Hell?!" My philosophy: http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/stick/stick.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On 18/01/2011 11:32, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > then GNOME desktop? Depends on the user. Try both! -Phil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
On Tuesday 18 January 2011 05:02 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > Hi, > > A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly > then GNOME desktop? I'm think GNOME I've chosen GNOME after using both KDE and GNOME ( please don't ask the reason . I like gnome thats the reason ) -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri Registerd Linux user No #501175 www.counter.li.org No M$ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
which is more user friendly--KDE or GNOME
Hi, A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly then GNOME desktop? -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
