Re: wordpress problem

[Richard]

> Date: Saturday, July 22, 2023 10:43:57 -0400
> From: Bill Cunningham 
>
>> On 7/21/2023 11:10 PM, Tim via users wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2023-07-21 at 16:05 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>>
>>> but I warn you up to this point I always disable selinux. Not just
>>> because idk what it is exactly, but it always starts running and I
>>> have never really needed security. I guess that can change.
>> Well, if you're running servers, especially one like WordPress
>> with so many security flaws, and also plagued with bad advice
>> about setting things up on it on the internet, the usefulness of
>> using SELinux is magnified.
>> 
>> But you haven't told us if you're making this world accessible, or
>> you're just trying it out on your LAN.
>> 
>
> Basically trying it out. I am not anytime soon going to use it on
> the internet.
> 

Even when just "trying it out" one should do it with full security
applied at all levels -- network/system/application. Adding security
back in at the end generally results in something that's not well
considered or integrated. This approach often leaves security holes
or making security compromises because something that "worked", in an
insecure environment, doesn't when appropriate security is applied.
Also, *never* turn off security contexts/options just because you
don't understand them, figure them out instead. Lowering security
will invariably come back to haunt.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/21/2023 11:10 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2023-07-21 at 16:05 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:

but I warn you up to this point I always disable selinux. Not just
because idk what it is exactly, but it always starts running and I
have never really needed security. I guess that can change.

Well, if you're running servers, especially one like WordPress with so
many security flaws, and also plagued with bad advice about setting
things up on it on the internet, the usefulness of using SELinux is
magnified.

But you haven't told us if you're making this world accessible, or
you're just trying it out on your LAN.

On a LAN, just trying out.


[...]

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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/21/2023 11:10 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2023-07-21 at 16:05 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:

but I warn you up to this point I always disable selinux. Not just
because idk what it is exactly, but it always starts running and I
have never really needed security. I guess that can change.

Well, if you're running servers, especially one like WordPress with so
many security flaws, and also plagued with bad advice about setting
things up on it on the internet, the usefulness of using SELinux is
magnified.

But you haven't told us if you're making this world accessible, or
you're just trying it out on your LAN.

Basically trying it out. I am not anytime soon going to use it on the 
internet.





The two common problem with webservers are that someone finds a way to
read other files (not your web pages) on your system through it, or
someone finds a way to use your webserver to write things to your file
system.  SELinux puts barriers in the way of that.

Common bad advice on the internet is about giving file permissions that
the web files are owned by the web server (instead of a different
user), and are writable by other users.

This includes the data that things like WordPress use to create their
output.  Which should be stored where *only* the WordPress application
can access them.  You do not want them in the middle of the web
server's directory tree, where someone can directly access them
bypassing the handling of WordPress.

WordPress is a handler.  A user requests pages with a URL like
www.example.com/something/thispage through your webserver, the handler
looks at the "/something/thispage" part of the request and creates an
output page from data it has stored elsewhere, and it sends this
through the webserver.

Traditionally, and sensibly, the files served as web pages are owned by
the author, readable and writable by them, the "group" user permissions
are unset to not readable/writable/executable and generally not used
for anything, and the "other" user permissions (i.e. everyone else) are
read-only.  The web server reads those files as the other user, since
everyone else on the internet is not the owner of the files, and should
only have read-access.

This gets more difficult with authoring programs (WordPress, Joomla,
etc), trying to get them to work in that model.  Quite why they don't
understand they need to work that way eludes me.  People often end up
setting their files as world-writable by virtue of getting ownership
and permissions wrong.

e.g. They make the files readable and writeable and owned by Apache or
WordPress.  Now the thing that should only be reading the files to
serve them, can modify them.  And unknown users on the internet can
modify them with carefully crafted URLs.


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Re: wordpress problem

[Tim via users]

On Fri, 2023-07-21 at 16:05 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> but I warn you up to this point I always disable selinux. Not just
> because idk what it is exactly, but it always starts running and I
> have never really needed security. I guess that can change.

Well, if you're running servers, especially one like WordPress with so
many security flaws, and also plagued with bad advice about setting
things up on it on the internet, the usefulness of using SELinux is
magnified.

But you haven't told us if you're making this world accessible, or
you're just trying it out on your LAN.

The two common problem with webservers are that someone finds a way to
read other files (not your web pages) on your system through it, or
someone finds a way to use your webserver to write things to your file
system.  SELinux puts barriers in the way of that.

Common bad advice on the internet is about giving file permissions that
the web files are owned by the web server (instead of a different
user), and are writable by other users.

This includes the data that things like WordPress use to create their
output.  Which should be stored where *only* the WordPress application
can access them.  You do not want them in the middle of the web
server's directory tree, where someone can directly access them
bypassing the handling of WordPress.

WordPress is a handler.  A user requests pages with a URL like 
www.example.com/something/thispage through your webserver, the handler
looks at the "/something/thispage" part of the request and creates an
output page from data it has stored elsewhere, and it sends this
through the webserver.

Traditionally, and sensibly, the files served as web pages are owned by
the author, readable and writable by them, the "group" user permissions
are unset to not readable/writable/executable and generally not used
for anything, and the "other" user permissions (i.e. everyone else) are
read-only.  The web server reads those files as the other user, since
everyone else on the internet is not the owner of the files, and should
only have read-access.

This gets more difficult with authoring programs (WordPress, Joomla,
etc), trying to get them to work in that model.  Quite why they don't
understand they need to work that way eludes me.  People often end up
setting their files as world-writable by virtue of getting ownership
and permissions wrong.

e.g. They make the files readable and writeable and owned by Apache or
WordPress.  Now the thing that should only be reading the files to
serve them, can modify them.  And unknown users on the internet can
modify them with carefully crafted URLs.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/21/2023 1:47 AM, Peter Boy wrote:



Am 20.07.2023 um 01:57 schrieb Bill Cunningham :


On 7/18/2023 7:16 PM, Peter Boy wrote:

Am 16.07.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Bill Cunningham :


I definitely want to see your doc article.


I first version is now available:

Installing Wordpress (on Fedora Server Edition)
https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/tutorials/wordpress-installation/


It would be really helpful to get comments, amendments, feedback, corrections!

Please use the issue button using the bug symbol on the right side beyond the 
blue header bar or the edit button next to it. Or write your comments here on 
the mailing list.



Well there are some typos but that's to be expected. I am not complaining.

They are expected, indeed. It is incredible hard to proofread a text you have 
written yourself. So, some hints would be helpful. And also maybe some 
improvement of the wording, if my German mother tongue comes to the surface too 
much.



What you have written concerning virtualization too is intriguing. I will look 
into that but one of the first things I do after install is install Xfce4 and 
firefox. And then httpd. I would like to get the server just as I want it

Yeah, it's a kind of „off label“ use. I wrote a short text about it: 
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/usecase-gui-addon/ But to 
get the „real feeling“ you should use the virtualization option I described 
briefly.



and create an image to upload to GCP, that's my ultimate goal. I will continue 
to study this though.

The installation of the Server Edition is one of our focal points for the next 
months (see https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110). So I would be happy if 
we could communicate on that.

And I'm skeptical about how happy you'll be with operating a graphical 
interface over a network connection.




Best
Peter

Would it be better in the future to use threads on the server list? This 
thread is beginning to get a bit old. I would think server 
experimentation would be better at the server list.


B

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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/21/2023 1:47 AM, Peter Boy wrote:



Am 20.07.2023 um 01:57 schrieb Bill Cunningham :


On 7/18/2023 7:16 PM, Peter Boy wrote:

Am 16.07.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Bill Cunningham :


I definitely want to see your doc article.


I first version is now available:

Installing Wordpress (on Fedora Server Edition)
https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/tutorials/wordpress-installation/


It would be really helpful to get comments, amendments, feedback, corrections!

Please use the issue button using the bug symbol on the right side beyond the 
blue header bar or the edit button next to it. Or write your comments here on 
the mailing list.



Well there are some typos but that's to be expected. I am not complaining.

They are expected, indeed. It is incredible hard to proofread a text you have 
written yourself. So, some hints would be helpful. And also maybe some 
improvement of the wording, if my German mother tongue comes to the surface too 
much.



What you have written concerning virtualization too is intriguing. I will look 
into that but one of the first things I do after install is install Xfce4 and 
firefox. And then httpd. I would like to get the server just as I want it

Yeah, it's a kind of „off label“ use. I wrote a short text about it: 
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/usecase-gui-addon/ But to 
get the „real feeling“ you should use the virtualization option I described 
briefly.



and create an image to upload to GCP, that's my ultimate goal. I will continue 
to study this though.

The installation of the Server Edition is one of our focal points for the next 
months (see https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110). So I would be happy if 
we could communicate on that.

And I'm skeptical about how happy you'll be with operating a graphical 
interface over a network connection.





ok but I warn you up to this point I always disable selinux. Not just because 
idk what it is exactly, but it always starts running and I have never really 
needed security. I guess that can change. Using egrep complains to use 'grep 
-E' so that might be new. I am sure selinux can if need be easily turned on. I 
am playing with the server edition with a GUI right now so nothing is actually 
up online.


B

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Re: wordpress problem

[Peter Boy]

> Am 20.07.2023 um 01:57 schrieb Bill Cunningham :
> 
> 
> On 7/18/2023 7:16 PM, Peter Boy wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 16.07.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Bill Cunningham :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I definitely want to see your doc article.
>>> 
>> 
>> I first version is now available:
>> 
>> Installing Wordpress (on Fedora Server Edition)
>> https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/tutorials/wordpress-installation/
>> 
>> 
>> It would be really helpful to get comments, amendments, feedback, 
>> corrections!
>> 
>> Please use the issue button using the bug symbol on the right side beyond 
>> the blue header bar or the edit button next to it. Or write your comments 
>> here on the mailing list.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well there are some typos but that's to be expected. I am not complaining. 

They are expected, indeed. It is incredible hard to proofread a text you have 
written yourself. So, some hints would be helpful. And also maybe some 
improvement of the wording, if my German mother tongue comes to the surface too 
much. 


>> What you have written concerning virtualization too is intriguing. I will 
>> look into that but one of the first things I do after install is install 
>> Xfce4 and firefox. And then httpd. I would like to get the server just as I 
>> want it

Yeah, it's a kind of „off label“ use. I wrote a short text about it: 
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/usecase-gui-addon/ But to 
get the „real feeling“ you should use the virtualization option I described 
briefly.


>> and create an image to upload to GCP, that's my ultimate goal. I will 
>> continue to study this though.

The installation of the Server Edition is one of our focal points for the next 
months (see https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110). So I would be happy if 
we could communicate on that.

And I'm skeptical about how happy you'll be with operating a graphical 
interface over a network connection.  




Best
Peter





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Re: wordpress problem

[Richard]

> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 19:57:43 -0400
> From: Bill Cunningham 
>
>  I will look into that but one of the first things I do after
> install is install Xfce4 and firefox. And then httpd. I would like
> to get the server just as I want it and create an image to upload
> to GCP, that's my ultimate goal. I will continue to study this
> though.


One does not normally install a graphical desktop environment (and so
also gui applications like firefox) on a server. In part this is
because they shouldn't be needed, but also because they have the
potential of creating greater security issues on what should be a
rather locked down machine given what it's main function is.
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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/18/2023 7:16 PM, Peter Boy wrote:



Am 16.07.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Bill Cunningham :


I definitely want to see your doc article.



I first version is now available:

Installing Wordpress (on Fedora Server Edition)
https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/tutorials/wordpress-installation/


It would be really helpful to get comments, amendments, feedback, corrections!

Please use the issue button using the bug symbol on the right side beyond the 
blue header bar or the edit button next to it. Or write your comments here on 
the mailing list.



Well there are some typos but that's to be expected. I am not complaining. What 
you have written concerning virtualization too is intriguing. I will look into 
that but one of the first things I do after install is install Xfce4 and 
firefox. And then httpd. I would like to get the server just as I want it and 
create an image to upload to GCP, that's my ultimate goal. I will continue to 
study this though.


B

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Re: wordpress problem

[Peter Boy]

> Am 16.07.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Bill Cunningham :
> 
> 
> I definitely want to see your doc article.
> 


I first version is now available:

Installing Wordpress (on Fedora Server Edition)
https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/tutorials/wordpress-installation/


It would be really helpful to get comments, amendments, feedback, corrections!

Please use the issue button using the bug symbol on the right side beyond the 
blue header bar or the edit button next to it. Or write your comments here on 
the mailing list.




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Aw: Aw: wordpress problem

[Peter Boy]

> Am 16.07.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Bill Cunningham :
> 
> 
> On 7/16/2023 3:41 AM, Peter Boy wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 14.07.2023 um 21:59 schrieb Bill Cunningham :
>>> 
>>> I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
>>> https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
>>> https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What am I 
>>> doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress and its' 
>>> dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin that I did not install. Is 
>>> anyone familiar with Server Edition wordpress?
>> 
>> Well, I’m familiar, ‚a bit‘.
>> 
>> [...]
> 
> I will slowly digest your kind help. It will take me a while to take all this 
> in.


Skimming through my text I just noted that Wordpress dropped PostgreSQL plugin 
in November last year 
(https://wordpress.org/plugins/postgresql-for-wordpress/). So you are stuck 
with mysql / mariadb and can’t use advanced professional db features as 
provided by PostgreSQL.



>> You may also wait some days until I have finished my Fedora Server 
>> documentation article.
> 
> [...]
> 
> I definitely want to see your doc article.

Thanks. I need some days more because I have to rewrite the complete part about 
database.




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Re: Aw: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/16/2023 3:41 AM, Peter Boy wrote:



Am 14.07.2023 um 21:59 schrieb Bill Cunningham :

I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What am I doing 
or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress and its' dependencies. 
There was also a wordpress plugin that I did not install. Is anyone familiar 
with Server Edition wordpress?


Well, I’m familiar, ‚a bit‘.

[...]


I will slowly digest your kind help. It will take me a while to take all 
this in.


[...]


You may also wait some days until I have finished my Fedora Server 
documentation article.


[...]

I definitely want to see your doc article.




Good luck
Peter





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Aw: wordpress problem

[Peter Boy]

> Am 14.07.2023 um 21:59 schrieb Bill Cunningham :
> 
> I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
> https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
> https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What am I 
> doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress and its' 
> dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin that I did not install. Is 
> anyone familiar with Server Edition wordpress?


Well, I’m familiar, ‚a bit‘. 

1.
Before you start installing WordPress, you should check if this is what you 
really want. :-) WP is a beast, a prime example of bloated software and an 
ongoing source of security vulnerabilities. If you need a dynamic CMS, there 
are really better alternatives. See https://www.cms-garden.org/en. If you have 
no choice, proceed.

2.
The way you obviously installed WP is not meant to work. Fedora Server has no 
graphical interface and no graphical browser with which you can view a WP page.

Rather, you install Fedora Server and software like WordPress and view the 
content from another machine over a network connection, not localhost. 
Localhost also works under certain conditions, but that is then kind of "off 
label use“.

If you want to experiment with it, then either buy a small Rasberry Pi 
compatible computer (see 
https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-on-sbc/reference-list/)
 or install virtualization software like VirtualBox on your desktop and then 
Fedora Server in it. Then you can access Fedora Server and WordPress through 
the internal virtual network.

3.
A good fist overview provides 
https://fedoramagazine.org/howto-install-wordpress-fedora/

4.
The steps required are approximately as follows: 

a) 
Install Fedora Server (obviously)


b) 
Install a database. Fedora Server supports PostgreSQL (WordPress does, too) 
see: 
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/setup-postgresql/ 
When everything works, add a database and a database user for Wordpress.


c) 
Install a Web Server. Fedora Server Supports Apache. See 
https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/httpd-basic-setup/


d)
Install the WordPress Package. It automatically installs PHP as a dependency, 
too.

e)
Edit the Wordpress configuration file:
[…]# vim /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php 
• → define( 'DB_NAME', 'x' );
• → define( 'DB_USER', '' );
• → define( 'DB_PASSWORD', '' );
• → define( 'DB_HOST', '' );

Select PostgreSQL as your database and insert user name, password, etc as 
configured in b)


f)
Optionally you may adjust various parameters to your liking, e.g. the Wordpress 
address

[…]# vim /etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
(edit)
## Alias /wordpress /usr/share/wordpress

## Access wordpress via base address
DocumentRoot /usr/share/wordpress

# Access is only allowed via local access
…

But probably you should not do this with a first installation.


g)
Adjust the Apache Wordpress configuration file
[…]# vim /etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
'Require local' → 'Require all granted‘


g)
Start the Web Server
[…]# systemctl enable httpd
[…]# systemctl start httpd
[…]# systemctl status httpd


h)
On your desktop start your browser and visit the WordPress graphical 
configuration page 
:80/wordpress



You may also wait some days until I have finished my Fedora Server 
documentation article.



Good luck
Peter



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Re: wordpress problem

[Tim via users]

On Sat, 2023-07-15 at 17:52 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> I installed the group "Web Server" and I manually installed httpd. As 
> far as Maria or MySql I didn't manually install that. Nor did I install 
> any type of php interpreter. I am hoping this thing that is absolutely 
> new to me, can do some of this.

I don't use WordPress (I don't need the stress of coping with *all* its
security flaws, and I write my own pages directly in HTML+CSS), but
you'll find that without deliberately installing extras, you'll only
get basic facilities.

Though, maybe you don't need them all, it'll depend on what you're
doing with it.  That'll be why they're not automatically dragged in
when you install it - there are various kinds of databases, you only
need the one(s) you're going to use, and often you can choose your
poison rather than it insisting on a particular one.  My basic
webserver install on Fedora didn't install anything that interpreted
PHP, but I'd expect that it'd get dragged in as a dependency if you
install something like WordPress that heavily uses PHP.  That part of
your install surprises me.

* Over the many years I've run a HTML & CSS only website, I've seen
countless failed hack attempts in the logs on the various front-ends
and back-ends that I don't have installed, it's on-going and never-
ending.  I find it easy enough to hand craft what I want to do, and I
can make it do whatever it can do, as opposed to learning all the
foibles of a content manager system, and be stuck with all its
limitations (I really dislike fill-in-the-blanks template systems). 
There's also lock-in to consider, I can move my website files over to
any different webserver, and it'll just work.  I don't expect it to be
that easy if I were using one of the various publishing systems.  But
it's all a matter of what you want to do, and which you feel more
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Re: wordpress problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/15/23 14:52, Bill Cunningham wrote:


On 7/15/2023 4:37 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Jul 15, 2023, at 15:28, Bill Cunningham  wrote:



On 7/15/2023 3:17 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/15/23 12:09, Bill Cunningham wrote:

On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and 
enter https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such 
url. https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition 
login. What am I doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm 
called wordpress and its' dependencies. There was also a 
wordpress plugin that I did not install. Is anyone familiar with 
Server Edition wordpress?
It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is 
going to work right away.  You should probably look at these files:


/etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
/etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser

I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some kind 
I will have to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4 desktop 
I have installed. Maybe wordpress uses a different port.
I don't see why you keep mentioning that as if it's relevant. That's 
the default cockpit install which doesn't use the system web server 
and is not at all related to what you're doing. Wordpress is served 
by the web server and so will be using the default http(s) ports 
depending on how the web server is configured.

Perhaps PHP is not properly configured.
I don’t mean to be rude, but you *do* have a web server installed, 
configured and running, don’t you? And not cockpit’s web service.


Wordpress is just a collection of PHP code, it needs a web server to 
host it. The package (I assume) doesn’t bundle a server, most likely 
so you can choose between one of the popular choices.


I installed the group "Web Server" and I manually installed httpd. As 
far as Maria or MySql I didn't manually install that. Nor did I install 
any type of php interpreter. I am hoping this thing that is absolutely 
new to me, can do some of this.


It won't.  You need to follow some sort of guide that explains how to 
set it up.  Maybe there's enough info in those README files, but you'll 
probably have to find some external reference.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/15/2023 4:37 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Jul 15, 2023, at 15:28, Bill Cunningham  wrote:



On 7/15/2023 3:17 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/15/23 12:09, Bill Cunningham wrote:

On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:

I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What am I doing 
or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress and its' dependencies. 
There was also a wordpress plugin that I did not install. Is anyone familiar 
with Server Edition wordpress?

It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is going to work 
right away.  You should probably look at these files:

/etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
/etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser


I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some kind I will have 
to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4 desktop I have installed. Maybe 
wordpress uses a different port.

I don't see why you keep mentioning that as if it's relevant. That's the 
default cockpit install which doesn't use the system web server and is not at 
all related to what you're doing. Wordpress is served by the web server and so 
will be using the default http(s) ports depending on how the web server is 
configured.

Perhaps PHP is not properly configured.

I don’t mean to be rude, but you *do* have a web server installed, configured 
and running, don’t you? And not cockpit’s web service.

Wordpress is just a collection of PHP code, it needs a web server to host it. 
The package (I assume) doesn’t bundle a server, most likely so you can choose 
between one of the popular choices.


I installed the group "Web Server" and I manually installed httpd. As 
far as Maria or MySql I didn't manually install that. Nor did I install 
any type of php interpreter. I am hoping this thing that is absolutely 
new to me, can do some of this.


B

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Re: wordpress problem

[Jonathan Billings]

On Jul 15, 2023, at 15:28, Bill Cunningham  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 7/15/2023 3:17 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> On 7/15/23 12:09, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
 On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
> https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
> https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What am I 
> doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress and its' 
> dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin that I did not install. 
> Is anyone familiar with Server Edition wordpress?
 
 It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is going to 
 work right away.  You should probably look at these files:
 
 /etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
 /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
 /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
 /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser
 
>>> I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some kind I will 
>>> have to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4 desktop I have 
>>> installed. Maybe wordpress uses a different port.
>> 
>> I don't see why you keep mentioning that as if it's relevant. That's the 
>> default cockpit install which doesn't use the system web server and is not 
>> at all related to what you're doing. Wordpress is served by the web server 
>> and so will be using the default http(s) ports depending on how the web 
>> server is configured.
> 
> Perhaps PHP is not properly configured.

I don’t mean to be rude, but you *do* have a web server installed, configured 
and running, don’t you? And not cockpit’s web service.

Wordpress is just a collection of PHP code, it needs a web server to host it. 
The package (I assume) doesn’t bundle a server, most likely so you can choose 
between one of the popular choices.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Richard]

> Date: Saturday, July 15, 2023 15:27:29 -0400
> From: Bill Cunningham 
> 
> On 7/15/2023 3:17 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> On 7/15/23 12:09, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
 On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and
> enter  https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no
> such url.  https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server
> edition login.  What am I doing or not doing here? I installed
> one rpm called  wordpress and its' dependencies. There was also
> a wordpress plugin  that I did not install. Is anyone familiar
> with Server Edition  wordpress?
 
 It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is
 going  to work right away.  You should probably look at these
 files:
 
 /etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
 /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
 /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
 /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser
 
>>> I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some
>>> kind I  will have to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4
>>> desktop I  have installed. Maybe wordpress uses a different port.
>> 
>> I don't see why you keep mentioning that as if it's relevant.
>> That's  the default cockpit install which doesn't use the system
>> web server  and is not at all related to what you're doing.
>> Wordpress is served by  the web server and so will be using the
>> default http(s) ports  depending on how the web server is
>> configured.
> 
> Perhaps PHP is not properly configured.
> 

I don't use wp (too much swiss cheese to be comfortable trying to
make it secure) but I don't believe that simply installing its bits
will cause apache to start up, so you may need to do that (including
enabling it to restart on (re)boot, once you have your sp instance
configured.

Once configured, you need to look at the apache server logging
(specifically the error_log) for your wp instance if/when you have
trouble reaching content. Browser errors and even the access_log are
of little use debugging things.

For checking what's behind open ports you should become familiar with
"netstat" -- the "-p" flag is specifically of use here.

But ... you really need to start with the documentation referenced
above to see what you need to do to configure your wp install.



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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/15/2023 3:17 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/15/23 12:09, Bill Cunningham wrote:


On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. 
What am I doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called 
wordpress and its' dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin 
that I did not install. Is anyone familiar with Server Edition 
wordpress?


It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is going 
to work right away.  You should probably look at these files:


/etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
/etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser

I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some kind I 
will have to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4 desktop I 
have installed. Maybe wordpress uses a different port.


I don't see why you keep mentioning that as if it's relevant. That's 
the default cockpit install which doesn't use the system web server 
and is not at all related to what you're doing. Wordpress is served by 
the web server and so will be using the default http(s) ports 
depending on how the web server is configured.


Perhaps PHP is not properly configured.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/15/23 12:09, Bill Cunningham wrote:


On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What 
am I doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress 
and its' dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin that I did 
not install. Is anyone familiar with Server Edition wordpress?


It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is going 
to work right away.  You should probably look at these files:


/etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
/etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser

I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some kind I 
will have to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4 desktop I have 
installed. Maybe wordpress uses a different port.


I don't see why you keep mentioning that as if it's relevant.  That's 
the default cockpit install which doesn't use the system web server and 
is not at all related to what you're doing.  Wordpress is served by the 
web server and so will be using the default http(s) ports depending on 
how the web server is configured.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What 
am I doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress 
and its' dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin that I did 
not install. Is anyone familiar with Server Edition wordpress?


It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is going 
to work right away.  You should probably look at these files:


/etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
/etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser

I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some kind I 
will have to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4 desktop I have 
installed. Maybe wordpress uses a different port.


B

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Re: wordpress problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What am 
I doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress and its' 
dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin that I did not install. 
Is anyone familiar with Server Edition wordpress?


It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is going to 
work right away.  You should probably look at these files:


/etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
/etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser
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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/14/2023 5:52 PM, Mark C. Allman via users wrote:


On 7/14/23 17:09, Mark C. Allman via users wrote:
> ... https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition 
login.  


Is there something listening on port 80 (check via netstat -antp)? 
The wp-admin request is trying port 80. You have something listening 
on port 9090.


On 7/14/23 16:54, Bill Cunningham wrote:


On 7/14/2023 4:09 PM, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

Hi


I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url.

Try

https://localhost/wp-login.php  or.. http://localhost/wp-login.php


No that doesn't work either.


Whoops! Sorry about the top-post. Too much multi-tasking.

I believe there is a port 51 or 52 opened IDK what that is. but no 80 
or 8080 open either.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Mark C. Allman via users]

On 7/14/23 17:09, Mark C. Allman via users wrote:
> ... https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login.  



Is there something listening on port 80 (check via netstat -antp)? The 
wp-admin request is trying port 80. You have something listening on 
port 9090.


On 7/14/23 16:54, Bill Cunningham wrote:


On 7/14/2023 4:09 PM, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

Hi


I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url.

Try

https://localhost/wp-login.php  or.. http://localhost/wp-login.php


No that doesn't work either.


Whoops! Sorry about the top-post. Too much multi-tasking.

-- Mark

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Re: wordpress problem

[Mark C. Allman via users]

> ... https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login.  

Is there something listening on port 80 (check via netstat -antp)? The 
wp-admin request is trying port 80. You have something listening on port 
9090.


On 7/14/23 16:54, Bill Cunningham wrote:


On 7/14/2023 4:09 PM, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

Hi


I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url.

Try

https://localhost/wp-login.php  or.. http://localhost/wp-login.php


No that doesn't work either.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

On 7/14/2023 4:09 PM, Richard Ibbotson wrote:

Hi


I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url.

Try

https://localhost/wp-login.php  or..   http://localhost/wp-login.php


No that doesn't work either.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Richard Ibbotson]

Hi

> I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter
> https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url.

Try

https://localhost/wp-login.php  or..   http://localhost/wp-login.php

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Richard
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wordpress problem

[Bill Cunningham]

I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter 
https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url. 
https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server edition login. What am 
I doing or not doing here? I installed one rpm called wordpress and its' 
dependencies. There was also a wordpress plugin that I did not install. 
Is anyone familiar with Server Edition wordpress?


B

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