Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> This is on a brand new computer?

Joe Zeff:
> No.  It's on a laptop that I'd originally installed F35 because that's 
> what was current at the time.  The hard drive has failed and a new one 
> installed.  It's not in what you quoted, but when I picked the laptop up 
> from the tech shop, it was running from a live USB, and the flash drive 
> that it won't boot from worked just fine on my desktop.
> 

It might be worth asking if you can try the live USB they had again. 
You may have faulty hardware, with increasing faults, or simply
something that isn't compatible with more recent releases.

How did you install F35 on it before?

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how to remove rhgb quiet from grub & make it permanent

[olivares33561 via users]

Dear kind fedora users,

I will like to remove rhgb quiet from grub.  I have checked out some 
literature[1] and want to make sure not to mess up my system.  I have a little 
problem, when loading system sometimes I don't get a desktop and have "No 
display" on screen.  I have to manually poweroff system and restart it.  When I 
restart I edit the grub loading and remove the "rhgb quiet" part so I can see 
what is going on.  At the end a prompt says something in journal was bad and 
was deleted and I can login safely.  This has happened several times on kernels 
6.5.* series.  

I hope I can get a permanent removal of these so I do not have to edit the line 
and press F10 to boot it.  I want to see what is happening and preventing 
X/Wayland to load up correctly.  Running F38 if it is relevant.

Best Regards,


Antonio  

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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

Can anyone play videos on F38?
If so, how did you do it?

Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[stan via users]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 13:11:35 -0600
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> only open a few nights a week.  I'm going to try using a netinstall,
> but I've never done that before, so I'd appreciate a little guidance

I use the minimal netinstall, but on optical media.  I have a dvd drive,
with lots of old empty disks, and plug it in when I want to update.  It
is very straightforward, the same as you described for f35, except it
doesn't boot into a live fedora, but into anaconda.  For F35 it will
still be hub and spoke.  There is going to be a new method, browser
based?, but I haven't tried it yet.  If you have an internet connection
on the device it will probably be picked up.  It will ask for language
and keyboard. Then you will get a menu of items that have to be
completed (the hub), and you go into each and do what is required to
complete them (the spokes), and then return to the hub. I always use
the custom hard drive configuration, creating partitions, or assigning
existing partitions to / and /boot. It allows selection of format before
install, which I usually use.  But if you are willing to accept the
default btrfs, you can just point it at an empty drive.  I keep all my
personal files on separate partitions that I symbolic link to from
home, so I don't have a separate home.  It is possible to select
additional software to install over the net, but I usually just select
the bare minimum, and do all the software wrangling once fedora itself
is running, rather than through anaconda.  That means working at a
console though, so you might want to install at least one graphical
package group so you can work from the gui when you boot up.
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Re: how to remove rhgb quiet from grub & make it permanent

[stan via users]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:08:23 +
olivares33561 via users  wrote:

> I will like to remove rhgb quiet from grub.  I have checked out some

I don't know if this is the official way to do it, but, as root or
sudo, edit the file 
/etc/default/grub
and remove the rhgb quiet from the kernel command line.  On my system
it looks like this.
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8"
Once you have done that, do a 
cd /boot/grub2
and run
grub2-mkconfig -o grub.cfg
Your system should now boot with rhgb and quiet turned off.
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[stan via users]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:16:41 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> Can anyone play videos on F38?
> If so, how did you do it?
> 
> Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
> Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".
 
Found this possibility for firefox online.
Advice:
You can check the Graphics section on the about:support (Help ->
Troubleshooting Information) page.
Response:
In about:support, in the graphics section under WebGL 1 Driver Renderer
it says:

WebGL creation failed: 

Refused to create native OpenGL context because of blacklist entry:
FEATURE_FAILURE_OLD_NVIDIA Exhausted GL driver options. 

Are you using nvidia graphics drivers?  Have you installed the
latest nvidia drivers from rpmfusion?  This is all supposed to work
right out of the box, but when I look online, I find that this error
occurs due to lots of reasons. Here is a quote,

"OpenGL errors can be caused by a variety of reasons including corrupt
OS files, outdated drivers, poorly developed apps, incorrect system
configurations, and more."

I'm focusing on the outdated drivers because the only other reasonable
cause would be incorrect system configuration, and that is a bear to
diagnose via email.  If it was OS problems or apps, you would not be
the only one experiencing this.  It is something about your system that
is causing this, drivers or configuration.
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Re: how to remove rhgb quiet from grub & make it permanent

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On Thursday, October 12th, 2023 at 9:44 AM, stan via users 
 wrote:


> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:08:23 +
> olivares33561 via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
> 
> > I will like to remove rhgb quiet from grub. I have checked out some
> 
> 
> I don't know if this is the official way to do it, but, as root or
> sudo, edit the file
> /etc/default/grub
> and remove the rhgb quiet from the kernel command line. On my system
> it looks like this.
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8"
> Once you have done that, do a
> cd /boot/grub2
> and run
> grub2-mkconfig -o grub.cfg
> Your system should now boot with rhgb and quiet turned off.
> ___

Dear Sir,

Thank you.  This did the job.  Now will it be persistant across new kernel 
installations/upgrades?  
There was one line in journal something like 
/user-1000.journal corrupted and will be deleted and regenerated because of 
some failure?  that did not succeed before when grub line had rhgb quiet.   


Best Regards,


Antonio 
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Roger Heflin]

mesa is what provides opengl.

Best guess is:
mesa-dri-drivers, mesa-vdpau-drivers and mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
that have video drivers, but also some other mesa pieces that provide
opengl may need to be install (or installing the above may install
those extra pieces).

glxgears and glxinfo will tell you the opengl install state.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 9:17 AM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> Can anyone play videos on F38?
> If so, how did you do it?
>
> Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
> Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".
>
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Re: how to remove rhgb quiet from grub & make it permanent

[GianPiero Puccioni]

On 12/10/2023 16:08, olivares33561 via users wrote:

Dear kind fedora users,

I will like to remove rhgb quiet from grub.  I have checked out some
literature[1] and want to make sure not to mess up my system.  I have a
little problem, when loading system sometimes I don't get a desktop and have
"No display" on screen.  I have to manually poweroff system and restart it.
When I restart I edit the grub loading and remove the "rhgb quiet" part so I
can see what is going on.  At the end a prompt says something in journal was
bad and was deleted and I can login safely.  This has happened several times
on kernels 6.5.* series.

I hope I can get a permanent removal of these so I do not have to edit the
line and press F10 to boot it.  I want to see what is happening and
preventing X/Wayland to load up correctly.  Running F38 if it is relevant.



The easiest way is using "grubby", the command:
# grubby --remove-args="rhgb quiet" --update-kernel=DEFAULT
will remove "rhgb quiet" from the default kernel. You can use:
# grubby --info=DEFAULT
before and after to see the effect.
It should be permanent but it isn't: the next kernel update will revert to "rhgb 
quiet" and you have to rerun grubby, it is a bug that, I hope, will be fixed.


G
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/12/2023 07:04 AM, Tim via users wrote:

How did you install F35 on it before?


A LiveUSB, of course, just like I'm trying now.
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Re: how to remove rhgb quiet from grub & make it permanent

[Doug Herr]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, at 9:14 AM, GianPiero Puccioni wrote:
> On 12/10/2023 16:08, olivares33561 via users wrote:
>> Dear kind fedora users,
[snip]
> The easiest way is using "grubby", the command:
> # grubby --remove-args="rhgb quiet" --update-kernel=DEFAULT
> will remove "rhgb quiet" from the default kernel. You can use:
> # grubby --info=DEFAULT
> before and after to see the effect.
> It should be permanent but it isn't: the next kernel update will revert 
> to "rhgb 
> quiet" and you have to rerun grubby, it is a bug that, I hope, will be 
> fixed.

I think that what seems to be a bug might be that a new kernel install looks at 
/proc/cmdline to see how it was booted and grabs things from there. So you need 
to test any fix by rebooting and seeing that it does not use the rhgb thing. 
That will mean that it is not in /proc/cmdline and all is good.

I learned this by rebooting with a fsck switch used. A later kernel install set 
that switch so that it would fsck on each boot/reboot.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Eldon]

Here are a few things to try. It is possible that you are starting in
some sort of USB mode, and then the bootloader is trying to switch mid-boot

Some ideas:
1) Look through the BIOS for usb compatibility boot modes and toggle them. It's 
not uncommon
for new BIOSes to have different options to switch between to support legacy 
boot, uefi boot,
usb hard drives, usb flash drives, etc. It's possible that previous CMOS 
settings were lost when
your laptop got repaired?

2) Is your usb flash drive USB 2.0 or USB 3.0 or something different? There may 
be quirks in the
USB hardware that change the behavior. You could try using 2.0 if you are using 
a usb 3.0 flash drive,
for example. If you don't have another flash drive, but do have a usb 2.0 hub, 
you could try forcing
the usb to use 2.0 by using a 2.0 hub.

3) Are you able to connect to a physical network switch? If so, you might have 
some luck with an ipxe-based
network install via a usb image downloaded from https://netboot.xyz, for 
example.

Hope these address your issue, or at least don't cost you too much time. Good 
luck!
Eldon

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:46:50AM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 10/12/2023 07:04 AM, Tim via users wrote:
> > How did you install F35 on it before?
> 
> A LiveUSB, of course, just like I'm trying now.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/12/2023 12:34 PM, Eldon wrote:

Here are a few things to try. It is possible that you are starting in
some sort of USB mode, and then the bootloader is trying to switch mid-boot


Three things to remember: first, if I use one of the USB ports, it tries 
to boot but if I use the other, it goes right into the BIOS settings and 
if I exit that, it goes right back in.  Last, the F38 USB works Just 
Fine on my desktop.  I've downloaded an F38 netinstall and will try 
that.  If that doesn't get past the grub command line, I'll try an F35 
netinstall.  Thanx for your suggestions, and I'll look into them if this 
doesn't work.

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

I have the appropriate netinstall for F38 and the CHECKSUM file 
downloaded and am trying to verify the download.  Everything has gone 
well, until the last step:


sha256sum -c Fedora-Everything-38-1.6-x86_64-CHECKSUM

When instead of telling me that the .iso is good, I get this:

sha256sum: Fedora-Everything-netinst-x86_64-38-1.6.iso: no properly 
formatted SHA256 checksum lines found


Suggestions?
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Re: how to remove rhgb quiet from grub & make it permanent

[John Horne]

On Thu, 2023-10-12 at 18:14 +0200, GianPiero Puccioni wrote:
> On 12/10/2023 16:08, olivares33561 via users wrote:
> > Dear kind fedora users,
> >
> > I will like to remove rhgb quiet from grub.  I have checked out some
> > literature[1] and want to make sure not to mess up my system.  I have a
> > little problem, when loading system sometimes I don't get a desktop and
> > have "No display" on screen.  I have to manually poweroff system and
> > restart it.
> > When I restart I edit the grub loading and remove the "rhgb quiet" part so
> > I can see what is going on.  At the end a prompt says something in journal
> > was bad and was deleted and I can login safely.  This has happened several
> > times on kernels 6.5.* series.
> >
> > I hope I can get a permanent removal of these so I do not have to edit the
> > line and press F10 to boot it.  I want to see what is happening and
> > preventing X/Wayland to load up correctly.  Running F38 if it is relevant.
> >
>
> The easiest way is using "grubby", the command:
> # grubby --remove-args="rhgb quiet" --update-kernel=DEFAULT
> will remove "rhgb quiet" from the default kernel. You can use:
> # grubby --info=DEFAULT
> before and after to see the effect.
> It should be permanent but it isn't: the next kernel update will revert to
> "rhgb quiet" and you have to rerun grubby, it is a bug that, I hope, will be
> fixed.
>
Use the '--update-kernel=ALL' option will change the cmdline options on all the
installed kernels and any subsequently installed ones.


John.

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Configuring a new laptop

[Geoffrey Leach]

Features, options ... how to choose :-)?

Is there a list of known-to-be-supported hardware: CPU,  graphics ...??
Stupid question, right?

Thanks
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Re: After F35->F38 install, video player, firefox not behaving well

[Michael Hennebry]

Since my previous post, I tried gnome with X11.
This time I got a useful message: no H.264 decoder.
I installed the decoder.
Videos will play videos on both wayland and X11.
Firefox only on X11.

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


mesa is what provides opengl.

Best guess is:
mesa-dri-drivers, mesa-vdpau-drivers and mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
that have video drivers, but also some other mesa pieces that provide
opengl may need to be install (or installing the above may install
those extra pieces).

glxgears and glxinfo will tell you the opengl install state.


This is the mesa stuff I have installed:
$ sudo dnf list installed 'mesa-*'
[sudo] password for hennebry: 
Installed Packages

mesa-dri-drivers.x86_64   23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-filesystem.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libEGL.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libGL.x86_64 23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libgbm.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libglapi.x86_64  23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-libxatracker.x86_64  23.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-va-drivers.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
mesa-vulkan-drivers.x86_6423.1.8-1.fc38 @updates
$ gvim
I note no vdpau.
From lspci:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express Integrated 
Graphics Controller (rev 02)
Should I install vdpau?
I'm not sure whether vdpau works with Intel graphics.
glxinfo shows lots of visuals, all with None or Slow in the last column.
Should I sudo dnf install 'mesa-*' ?


On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 9:17?AM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:


Can anyone play videos on F38?
If so, how did you do it?

Firefox in uncommunicative when it will not play a video.
Videos says "cannot initialise OpenGL support".


I'm late for supper.

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Re: Configuring a new laptop

[Roger Heflin]

The only thing I have had issues with on a laptop is the wifi cards.
 The default cards in the cheaper laptops seem to be RealTek and they
seem to be generally troublesome.   I have replaced my last 2 with
current $20 intel cards and that has significantly improved my wifi
experience.

Pretty much any Intel or AMD cpu will work and Intel, AMD, or Nvidia
graphics will also just work.   The chipsets in the laptops are going
to be made by the cpu vendor and those also just work.  The only
pieces that there seem to be any choice on is the Ethernet (if it has
wired) and the wifi card.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 7:27 PM Geoffrey Leach  wrote:
>
> Features, options ... how to choose :-)?
>
> Is there a list of known-to-be-supported hardware: CPU,  graphics ...??
> Stupid question, right?
>
> Thanks
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Re: Configuring a new laptop

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/12/23 19:09, Roger Heflin wrote:

The only thing I have had issues with on a laptop is the wifi cards.
  The default cards in the cheaper laptops seem to be RealTek and they
seem to be generally troublesome.   I have replaced my last 2 with
current $20 intel cards and that has significantly improved my wifi
experience.

Pretty much any Intel or AMD cpu will work and Intel, AMD, or Nvidia
graphics will also just work.   The chipsets in the laptops are going


Intel and AMD graphics will work out of the box.  NVidia needs to be 
setup and can give you some trouble because it requires proprietary drivers.

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