Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[James Brierley]

Pe 06/12/13 22:20, Lex Trotman a scris:



Anyway, not trying to start a holy war, just trying to dispel a few
myths about Ubuntu, I don’t care what distribution people use. In
any case, better to at least report a bug before jumping ship.


Yes definitely always report bugs, but not duplicates.  I don't know the
ubuntu preference for regression, adding to the old bug or new bug.

Cheers
Lex


The policy is generally to report a new bug and tag it as a regression. 
But, like I said, the bug has been reported and is being worked on (half 
the battle is getting devs to take notice!) and when it gets to that 
stage it tends to get fixed eventually, or at least most bug reports I 
have contributed or contributed to have turned out that way.


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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Lex Trotman]

On 7 December 2013 08:49, James Brierley  wrote:

> On 06/12/13 21:07, Lex Trotman wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu does the hack in the GTK libraries, not to Geany so it won't help
>> compiling geany.
>>
>> There are many distros based on ubuntu but with "normal" desktops you
>> could try.  That still gives you the Ubuntu software selection but since
>> they don't use the hacks there should be less problems.  Linux Mint for
>> example is more popular than the Ubuntu its based on (by some measures).
>>
>
> Switching distributions based on one bug seems a bit drastic.


Sure, only discussed because the OP mentioned it.



> What’s more, I really like the Global Menu and HUD (when it works, which
> it usually has done until I noticed this) and I’d hazard a guess that the
> OP also would prefer to stick with Unity. In my case, once I had the
> ability to hit Alt and type whatever I wanted to do, I found that Geany, or
> anything, gave me all the keyboard shortcuts that something like Emacs or
> Vim could give me (only without a learning curve best measured on cosmic
> timescales) and I couldn’t live without it now.
>

As you say thats your personal and totally valid choice.


>
> Failing that, Xubuntu and Lubuntu are both just as present as they’ve ever
> been, and just an apt-get install [x|l]buntu-desktop away. Ubuntu !=
> Unitybuntu.


Good point, I had forgotten about the other Ubuntu spins.  I mentioned
distros based on Ubuntu to try to be re-assuring that most of the good
things of Ubuntu don't need to be thrown away, and the re-spins are even
closer. Although my experience its always best to re-install to change
desktops, but YMMV.  IIRC one of the Geany devs happily uses Xubuntu.



> Both desktops are nice, and as Unitybuntu runs fast on my machine (mostly
> because of the SSD) the much lighter Xfce and LXDE-based desktops would go
> like a bullet. I’ve played with them both, but have always started to miss
> Unity afterwards (mainly the HUD and Dash) and gone running back.
>

Stick with what you are happy with, and beat up on the developer to fix the
bug, though something like it has been there since it was first introduced,
so it maybe isn't as easy as just saying it.


>
> Anyway, not trying to start a holy war, just trying to dispel a few myths
> about Ubuntu, I don’t care what distribution people use. In any case,
> better to at least report a bug before jumping ship.


Yes definitely always report bugs, but not duplicates.  I don't know the
ubuntu preference for regression, adding to the old bug or new bug.

Cheers
Lex



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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[James Brierley]

Heads up: appears this bug’s already been reported:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-gtk-module/+bug/1198471

Already marked myself as affected, if you are too you know what to do.

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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Colomban Wendling]

Le 06/12/2013 22:49, James Brierley a écrit :
> [...] In my case, once I had the
> ability to hit Alt and type whatever I wanted to do, I found that Geany,
> or anything, gave me all the keyboard shortcuts that something like
> Emacs or Vim could give me (only without a learning curve best measured
> on cosmic timescales) and I couldn’t live without it now.

OT, but the Commander plugin provides a very similar feature :)  (but
yeah, it's only in Geany)
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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[James Brierley]

On 06/12/13 21:07, Lex Trotman wrote:

Ubuntu does the hack in the GTK libraries, not to Geany so it won't help
compiling geany.

There are many distros based on ubuntu but with "normal" desktops you
could try.  That still gives you the Ubuntu software selection but since
they don't use the hacks there should be less problems.  Linux Mint for
example is more popular than the Ubuntu its based on (by some measures).


Switching distributions based on one bug seems a bit drastic. What’s 
more, I really like the Global Menu and HUD (when it works, which it 
usually has done until I noticed this) and I’d hazard a guess that the 
OP also would prefer to stick with Unity. In my case, once I had the 
ability to hit Alt and type whatever I wanted to do, I found that Geany, 
or anything, gave me all the keyboard shortcuts that something like 
Emacs or Vim could give me (only without a learning curve best measured 
on cosmic timescales) and I couldn’t live without it now.


Failing that, Xubuntu and Lubuntu are both just as present as they’ve 
ever been, and just an apt-get install [x|l]buntu-desktop away. Ubuntu 
!= Unitybuntu. Both desktops are nice, and as Unitybuntu runs fast on my 
machine (mostly because of the SSD) the much lighter Xfce and LXDE-based 
desktops would go like a bullet. I’ve played with them both, but have 
always started to miss Unity afterwards (mainly the HUD and Dash) and 
gone running back.


Anyway, not trying to start a holy war, just trying to dispel a few 
myths about Ubuntu, I don’t care what distribution people use. In any 
case, better to at least report a bug before jumping ship.


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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Lex Trotman]

On 6 December 2013 22:59, Robert Parker  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman  wrote:
>
>> Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c
>> /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"
>>
>
> Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.
>

Again running geany -c /tmp/new_config can you see if the template list is
available when using the drop down to the left of the open button the the
toolbar (instead of the menu).

In menu->help->debug messages there is an entry listing the system data dir
(probably /usr/share/geany), list whats in the templates/files directory
below that dir, thats where the templates are kept.  Each file there should
be an entry in the menu list.  If there are no entries there try
uninstalling and re-installing geany (note that the geany in the ubuntu
repositories is fine, I'm running that since my distro Linux Mint 16
Cinnamon is based on ubuntu 13.10)


>> If that works then there is something wrong in the config, though I don't
>> know of any changes to templates for several versions.
>>
>> Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something
>> wrong in the menu stealing hacks.
>>
>
> I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it.
>
> I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb
> the flick.
>

Ubuntu does the hack in the GTK libraries, not to Geany so it won't help
compiling geany.

There are many distros based on ubuntu but with "normal" desktops you could
try.  That still gives you the Ubuntu software selection but since they
don't use the hacks there should be less problems.  Linux Mint for example
is more popular than the Ubuntu its based on (by some measures).



>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
>> Cheers
>> Lex
>>
>>
>> On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker  wrote:
>>
>>>  Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with template)
>>> no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits without any
>>> action.
>>>
>>> The Geany version is showing 1..23.1
>>>
>>> I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is preserved across
>>> re-installations.
>>>
>>> Where to next please?
>>>
>>> Bob Parker
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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Robert Parker]

Ok Job for tomorrow.



On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:51 PM, James Brierley  wrote:

> On 06/12/13 16:43, Robert Parker wrote:
>
>> Yes I'll bug report it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>>
>
> Once you’ve done it, post the link and I’ll mark it as affecting me.
>
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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[James Brierley]

On 06/12/13 16:43, Robert Parker wrote:

Yes I'll bug report it.

Thanks,
Bob


Once you’ve done it, post the link and I’ll mark it as affecting me.

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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Robert Parker]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:44 PM, James Brierley  wrote:

> This is a Unity bug, and it’s a regression too (between 13.04 and 13.10)
> because this used to work just fine.
>

Thanks James,
Indeed this has been working for ages and it did not fail until 13.10 which
seems to be buggy in more places than just this.


> Someone should report it on Launchpad (I can do this or anyone can but
> better not to create a load of duplicates.)
>

Yes I'll bug report it.

Thanks,
Bob


>
> James
>
> Pe 06/12/13 12:59, Robert Parker a scris:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker > > wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman > > wrote:
>>
>> Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal,
>> "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"
>>
>>
>> Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.
>>
>>
>> If that works then there is something wrong in the config,
>> though I don't know of any changes to templates for several
>> versions.
>>
>> Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be
>> something wrong in the menu stealing hacks.
>>
>>
>> I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it.
>>
>> I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the
>> Ubuntu deb the flick.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> Compilation done but I still get the same result.
>>
>>  >> geany -v
>> Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8
>> Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1
>> Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/local/share/geany
>> Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany
>> Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/local/lib/geany
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55).
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (56).
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (57).
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (58).
>> Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8)
>> Geany-INFO: Quitting...
>>
>> ** (geany:11594): WARNING **:
>> (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_
>> gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell:
>> runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)
>>
>>
>>  >> /usr/bin geany -v
>> Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8
>> Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1
>> Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/share/geany
>> Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany
>> Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/geany
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55).
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (56).
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (57).
>> Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (58).
>> Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8)
>> Geany-INFO: Quitting...
>>
>> ** (geany:11495): WARNING **:
>> (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_
>> gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell:
>> runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)
>>
>> Also the 2 above are run with a brand new ~/.config/geany as set up on
>> first run.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lex
>>
>>
>> On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker > > wrote:
>>
>> Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with
>> template)
>> no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits
>> without any action.
>>
>> The Geany version is showing 1..23.1
>>
>> I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is
>> preserved across re-installations.
>>
>> Where to next please?
>>
>> Bob Parker
>>
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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Robert Parker]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Colomban Wendling <
lists@herbesfolles.org> wrote:

>
> Anyway, you should be able to disable the menu stealing, I think with this:
>
> UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= geany -v
>

Yes that works. I did it like this:


>  UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= geany &
>

And that in a terminal. I tried the same without success in the Startup
Launcher
so I've just included it in .bash_aliases

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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[James Brierley]

This is a Unity bug, and it’s a regression too (between 13.04 and 13.10) 
because this used to work just fine.


Someone should report it on Launchpad (I can do this or anyone can but 
better not to create a load of duplicates.)


James

Pe 06/12/13 12:59, Robert Parker a scris:

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker mailto:rlp1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman mailto:ele...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal,
"geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"


Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.


If that works then there is something wrong in the config,
though I don't know of any changes to templates for several
versions.

Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be
something wrong in the menu stealing hacks.


I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it.

I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the
Ubuntu deb the flick.

Thanks,
Bob


Compilation done but I still get the same result.

 >> geany -v
Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8
Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1
Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/local/share/geany
Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany
Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/local/lib/geany
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (56).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (57).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (58).
Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8)
Geany-INFO: Quitting...

** (geany:11594): WARNING **:
(../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell:
runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)


 >> /usr/bin geany -v
Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8
Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1
Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/share/geany
Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany
Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/geany
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (56).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (57).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (58).
Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8)
Geany-INFO: Quitting...

** (geany:11495): WARNING **:
(../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell:
runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)

Also the 2 above are run with a brand new ~/.config/geany as set up on
first run.

Thanks,
Bob




Cheers
Lex


On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker mailto:rlp1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with
template)
no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits
without any action.

The Geany version is showing 1..23.1

I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is
preserved across re-installations.

Where to next please?

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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

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Le 06/12/2013 13:59, Robert Parker a écrit :
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker  > wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman  > wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be
> something wrong in the menu stealing hacks.
> 
> 
> I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it.
> 
> I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the
> Ubuntu deb the flick.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob
> 
> 
> Compilation done but I still get the same result.

This is expected, the global menu thing is a dynamic hack, it doesn't
need modifying the source of the application, so building our vanilla
copy ain't going to change this.

>>> geany -v 
> [...]
> 
> ** (geany:11594): WARNING **:
> (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell:
> runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)

This is what Lex talked about: at runtime, Unity tries to steal
application's menu, and apparently have a hard time doing it for our
dynamic templates menu.  We already saw such problems, but I though it
was fixed in this menu thingie…

Anyway, you should be able to disable the menu stealing, I think with this:

UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= geany -v

(set the environment variable UBUNTU_MENUPROXY to be empty, and run geany)

I'm not positive it's the solution because I don't have a Ubuntu box
with Unity at hand, but that looks like what the Internets say and wht I
remember.

If this works, then you may report a bug to Ubuntu so that they either
fix their global menu thing, or add Geany to a blacklist for this.

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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Robert Parker]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman  wrote:
>
>> Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c
>> /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"
>>
>
> Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.
>
>>
>> If that works then there is something wrong in the config, though I don't
>> know of any changes to templates for several versions.
>>
>> Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something
>> wrong in the menu stealing hacks.
>>
>
> I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it.
>
> I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb
> the flick.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>

Compilation done but I still get the same result.

>> geany -v
Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8
Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1
Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/local/share/geany
Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany
Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/local/lib/geany
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (56).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (57).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (58).
Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8)
Geany-INFO: Quitting...

** (geany:11594): WARNING **:
(../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell:
runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)


>> /usr/bin geany -v
Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8
Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1
Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/share/geany
Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany
Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/geany
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (56).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (57).
Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (58).
Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8)
Geany-INFO: Quitting...

** (geany:11495): WARNING **:
(../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell:
runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)

Also the 2 above are run with a brand new ~/.config/geany as set up on
first run.

Thanks,
Bob



>
>> Cheers
>> Lex
>>
>>
>> On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker  wrote:
>>
>>>  Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with template)
>>> no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits without any
>>> action.
>>>
>>> The Geany version is showing 1..23.1
>>>
>>> I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is preserved across
>>> re-installations.
>>>
>>> Where to next please?
>>>
>>> Bob Parker
>>>
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Re: [Geany-Users] Lost ability to create a new file from a template

[Robert Parker]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman  wrote:

> Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c
> /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"
>

Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.

>
> If that works then there is something wrong in the config, though I don't
> know of any changes to templates for several versions.
>
> Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something
> wrong in the menu stealing hacks.
>

I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it.

I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb
the flick.

Thanks,
Bob


> Cheers
> Lex
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> On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker  wrote:
>
>> Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with template)
>> no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits without any
>> action.
>>
>> The Geany version is showing 1..23.1
>>
>> I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is preserved across
>> re-installations.
>>
>> Where to next please?
>>
>> Bob Parker
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