Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 24 July 2014 16:08, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > Dimitar Zhekov writes: > [snipped] >> Scope requires Geany, glib/gtk+ and vte. >> Geany requires glib/gtk+ and suggests vte. These are the libraries required to run, not the tools required to build. > > NOt only these but intltool as well. Installed intltool This is a build tool. > >> The only inaccuracy in the dependencies that I see is that the >> "required" glib/gtk+/vte versions are higher than what we really need, >> and that applies to both Geany and Scope. But Debian includes all >> "required" package versions, so there's absolutely no problem to >> install Geany or Scope. > > Why glib is required when gcc (various versions) are already installed in > Knoppix? Glib has nothing to do with gcc, its is a library underlying GTK. Glibc is the C runtime library for gcc. > There are so many installations required! This uses up my bandwidth. > > You say Geany requires minimum dependence on the system, but to run the > source I find I have to install many packages. As I said building from source requires the tools and development libraries, not just the runtime requirements. Cheers Lex > > It is getting difficult, you know, with my limited bandwidth. > > > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.geany.org > https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
Dimitar Zhekov writes: [snipped] > Scope requires Geany, glib/gtk+ and vte. > Geany requires glib/gtk+ and suggests vte. NOt only these but intltool as well. Installed intltool > The only inaccuracy in the dependencies that I see is that the > "required" glib/gtk+/vte versions are higher than what we really need, > and that applies to both Geany and Scope. But Debian includes all > "required" package versions, so there's absolutely no problem to > install Geany or Scope. Why glib is required when gcc (various versions) are already installed in Knoppix? There are so many installations required! This uses up my bandwidth. You say Geany requires minimum dependence on the system, but to run the source I find I have to install many packages. It is getting difficult, you know, with my limited bandwidth. ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:37:50 + (UTC) Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > Knoppix is Debian, and uses its repositories. You could check it yourself > from /etc/apt/sources.lists . The problem is that it mixes up different > stages, Stable, Testing, Experimental, etc., which creates these issues. The > issue is with Debian package, as my snapshots will show. I use both Debian > and Knoppix. Unfortunately, my Debian is Lenny, and Scope does not have a > Lenny version. Therefore, I am compelled to use Knoppix 7.2 as it was > Knoppix that introduced me to Geany the first time. :) I'm using Debian stable + testing. Scope requires Geany, glib/gtk+ and vte. Geany requires glib/gtk+ and suggests vte. The only inaccuracy in the dependencies that I see is that the "required" glib/gtk+/vte versions are higher than what we really need, and that applies to both Geany and Scope. But Debian includes all "required" package versions, so there's absolutely no problem to install Geany or Scope. What mix of packages are used by Knoppix developers I do not know. The packaging of Geany/Scope/whatever for any particular distribution is a responsibility of the package maintainers of that distribution, and that is the standard practice. As you can see, Scope does not have any specific requirements (vte is present in any system with a gtk+ based terminal emulator). Just for the record, Debian stable + testing sometimes _does_ provide incompatible package versions, where Foo requires a newer version of Bar that the latest available. In such cases, one has to unmark the install/upgrade of Foo, and wait for the requred Bar version to appear. -- E-gards: Jimmy ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
Colomban Wendling writes: > IIUC, you tried to install the Debian packages on Knoppix. Even if a > distribution is Debian-based doesn't mean any Debian package will work > seamlessly on it. Using a package not specifically crafted for your > very distribution is a risky bet if you don't know your package manager > *very* well. It might work, but it also might not (e.g. if versions of > dependencies differ). Knoppix is Debian, and uses its repositories. You could check it yourself from /etc/apt/sources.lists . The problem is that it mixes up different stages, Stable, Testing, Experimental, etc., which creates these issues. The issue is with Debian package, as my snapshots will show. I use both Debian and Knoppix. Unfortunately, my Debian is Lenny, and Scope does not have a Lenny version. Therefore, I am compelled to use Knoppix 7.2 as it was Knoppix that introduced me to Geany the first time. :) > I also think I understood you manually installed the packages rather > than adding a repository... No, I tried, but that didn't work because of compatibility issue. I don't force packages. In the end, I thank you for responding to my email. I will try to install Geany and plugins via sources. Regards ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
Hi, Le 23/07/2014 13:19, Rajib Bandopadhyay a écrit : > [...] > ... > Install Geany-Plugins > There are different ways to get the Geany-Plugins project onto your > system. The easiest is to ask the package manager software of the > distribution you are using. > ... > > This approach has led me to a complicated situation. Instead of > focussing on the task at hand I am now trying to get Geany fixed. IIUC, you tried to install the Debian packages on Knoppix. Even if a distribution is Debian-based doesn't mean any Debian package will work seamlessly on it. Using a package not specifically crafted for your very distribution is a risky bet if you don't know your package manager *very* well. It might work, but it also might not (e.g. if versions of dependencies differ). I also think I understood you manually installed the packages rather than adding a repository. This is even more tricky as your package manager can't install dependencies itself if they are not in one of its repositories, so you have to *manually* make sure all the specific packages are installed. E.g. if you manually installed geany-plugin-scope from Debian, you need to make sure you also manually install geany-plugins-common at the very same version, and that you have a Geany package providing geany-abi-69. > I again draw your attention to Geany's USP, "...Another goal was to be as > independent as possible from a special Desktop Environment like KDE or > GNOME - Geany only requires the GTK2 runtime libraries..." We do. But we cannot realistically test Geany on each and every existing distribution, there are too many of them and there is no reason for us to doubt Geany won't work on a GNU/Linux platform. We would of course be happy to have report of code problems on different platforms if any, but as Lex said, as we don't create the packages for the various distributions we don't know what they did specifically. > So how come Geany gets to depend on so many packages and breaks > them(snapshots)? ;) Well, that's the difference between build dependencies and package dependencies -- and here as you're talking about a specific plugin (which is *not* part of Geany itself), of that very plugin's own dependencies. Geany itself only requires GTK2 (to a minimal specific version) and a conforming libc. However, the distribution packages generally have a tighter dependency list, especially if the upstream package is split in various distribution packages. This is because not only the distribution's packaging system has to provide the softwares but also make sure the system state remains consistent. > I hope you would weigh the points I have raised. > > And your email does not address my other issue: "There must be a > system of specific configuration where the developers test their > codes." > What is the specific system you all use? Let me know and I will set up > the same system to minimise fuss. We don't have such specific system: some of us use Debian, some other Xubuntu or Fedora, etc. But this doesn't matter much as I'm talking about Geany developers that obviously build Geany from sources themselves. > But first of all, I would compile the software from the source code > and try to solve the issues. Let's see how this goes :) This should avoid any packaging system issues, and building Geany is relatively easy -- at least if you already know how to build an Autotools-using software. Regards, Colomban ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
Lex Trotman writes: ... > > Developers test on a number of different systems, with differing > configurations, there is no specific configuration used. ... > Ok, note that to compile the software you will likely need development > tools and development versions of GTK, not just the runtimes. ... Okay, Lex. Thank you. Regards ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23 July 2014 21:19, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > [Attn: Lex Trotman - Some additions] > > On 23/07/2014, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > Dear Lex, > Please peruse the following links and then the attached snapshots: > A. http://www.geany.org/Support/Plugins > ... > The Geany-Plugins project > The Geany-Plugins project is a combined release for each matching > Geany release, starting with version 0.17. > It includes a huge number of plugins for different purposes. > Please have a look at http://plugins.geany.org/ for more information. > ... > > B. http://plugins.geany.org/install.html > ... > Install Geany-Plugins > There are different ways to get the Geany-Plugins project onto your > system. The easiest is to ask the package manager software of the > distribution you are using. > ... > > This approach has led me to a complicated situation. Instead of > focussing on the task at hand I am now trying to get Geany fixed. That advice is normally correct, it is usually best to use the package provided by your distribution. It is unfortunate if your distribution has provided a bad package, but the Geany project has no control over that. > > I again draw your attention to Geany's USP, "...Another goal was to be as > independent as possible from a special Desktop Environment like KDE or > GNOME - Geany only requires the GTK2 runtime libraries..." > > So how come Geany gets to depend on so many packages and breaks > them(snapshots)? ;) The statement you quoted above is correct, Geany only needs the GTK runtimes to run. There is no way Geany can break packages, but your distribution can accidentally provide bad packages at times. That is a concern you need to raise with the distribution to get answers, we cannnot help you with that, we do not make the packages. > I hope you would weigh the points I have raised. > > And your email does not address my other issue: "There must be a > system of specific configuration where the developers test their > codes." Developers test on a number of different systems, with differing configurations, there is no specific configuration used. > What is the specific system you all use? Let me know and I will set up > the same system to minimise fuss. > > But first of all, I would compile the software from the source code > and try to solve the issues. Let's see how this goes :) Ok, note that to compile the software you will likely need development tools and development versions of GTK, not just the runtimes. Cheers Lex > > Regards > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.geany.org > https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23 July 2014 20:13, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > On 23/07/2014, Lex Trotman wrote: > [snipped] > ... >> The Geany project does not provide any packages. You should address >> the questions about package problems to the packagers for the >> respective distributions. >> >> The Geany source code is intended to be portable to any Linux/Windows >> platform that has the appropriate dependencies. The plugins in Geany >> Plugins may have stricter requirements, that is up to the individual >> developer. > ... > [snipped] > > Hello, Lex! > I am not very conversant with how software developers of Collaborative > Software test their 'source' before posting it for the community. > There must be a system of specific configuration where the developers > test their codes. > Added to this is Geany's USP, "...Another goal was to be as > independent as possible from a special Desktop Environment like KDE or > GNOME - Geany only requires the GTK2 runtime libraries..." > So how to add the said plugin with minimum fuss, and avoid its clash > with my system? You can either install from your distro's repositories, with questions to them. Or you can compile from Geany and the plugin from source after installing the appropriate dependencies. Cheers Lex > Thanks for replying. > Regards > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.geany.org > https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23/07/2014, Lex Trotman wrote: [snipped] ... > The Geany project does not provide any packages. You should address > the questions about package problems to the packagers for the > respective distributions. > > The Geany source code is intended to be portable to any Linux/Windows > platform that has the appropriate dependencies. The plugins in Geany > Plugins may have stricter requirements, that is up to the individual > developer. ... [snipped] Hello, Lex! I am not very conversant with how software developers of Collaborative Software test their 'source' before posting it for the community. There must be a system of specific configuration where the developers test their codes. Added to this is Geany's USP, "...Another goal was to be as independent as possible from a special Desktop Environment like KDE or GNOME - Geany only requires the GTK2 runtime libraries..." So how to add the said plugin with minimum fuss, and avoid its clash with my system? Thanks for replying. Regards ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] styling of selected text in unfocused window
On 23 July 2014 19:57, paur...@gmail.com wrote: > I have set fg and bg colors for text selection in filetypes > configuration but these are not applied sometimes after the editor > window loses focus, for instance when the search dialog is open or > after switching between tabbed documents too for some odd reason > > can i specify somewhere also a style for unfocused selection? the > colors i get now make the text hard to read and clash with the rest of > the styling No, because its not indended to change I don't think. Looks like a bug. Can confirm it happens on a default 1.24.1 07:54:44: Geany INFO : Geany 1.24.1 (git >= b77e810), en_AU.UTF-8 07:54:44: Geany INFO : GTK 2.24.13, GLib 2.34.1 Perhaps you could raise a bug report. Cheers Lex > > thanks in advance for any help > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.geany.org > https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
[Geany-Users] styling of selected text in unfocused window
I have set fg and bg colors for text selection in filetypes configuration but these are not applied sometimes after the editor window loses focus, for instance when the search dialog is open or after switching between tabbed documents too for some odd reason can i specify somewhere also a style for unfocused selection? the colors i get now make the text hard to read and clash with the rest of the styling thanks in advance for any help ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23 July 2014 19:29, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > *[Attention- some additions]* > > On 22/07/2014, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: >> I use Knoppix 7.2. The version is in Debian archive. Link: >> https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/geany-plugin-scope/download >> Knoppix Synaptic shows this as broken in status window. >> Thanks for replying. >> Regards. > > I deactivated the knoppix repositories, and tried both installing from > Debian repository using Synaptic, and also via downloading the > packages from Debian repository and installing via gdebi. But the > result were the same. > > I am puzzled by the issue, so I wrote to Geany developers. > > One suggestion: GeoGebra, of which I am a poster, has a standalone > package to be used in Linux, which runs irrespective of any version of > Linux you are running. > Can Geany developers think similarly? > I am not aware if they already have. Maybe they have! > Regards Hi, The Geany project does not provide any packages. You should address the questions about package problems to the packagers for the respective distributions. The Geany source code is intended to be portable to any Linux/Windows platform that has the appropriate dependencies. The plugins in Geany Plugins may have stricter requirements, that is up to the individual developer. Cheers Lex > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.geany.org > https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23/07/2014, James Brierley wrote: > On 23/07/14 10:15, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > I'm losing track of this conversation a bit... > > But if misunderstandings have occurred, then let's shake hands and move > on. :) > > James > > -- > http://slippy.dynu.net/~james/ > Vuelven, armada española, ustedes necesita Inglaterra > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.geany.org > https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users About shaking hands, I never let you out of my warm embrace. I _understood_ you completely :) Please go back to my statement: Could I email you with queries from time to time? But your offer for support should be for the entire way, not, till a distance and then turning back. :) Regards ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
*[Attention- some additions]* On 22/07/2014, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: > I use Knoppix 7.2. The version is in Debian archive. Link: > https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/geany-plugin-scope/download > Knoppix Synaptic shows this as broken in status window. > Thanks for replying. > Regards. I deactivated the knoppix repositories, and tried both installing from Debian repository using Synaptic, and also via downloading the packages from Debian repository and installing via gdebi. But the result were the same. I am puzzled by the issue, so I wrote to Geany developers. One suggestion: GeoGebra, of which I am a poster, has a standalone package to be used in Linux, which runs irrespective of any version of Linux you are running. Can Geany developers think similarly? I am not aware if they already have. Maybe they have! Regards ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23/07/14 10:15, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: Everything is just about the "I", think about this. There is a word called 'empathy'. I've applied it a lot and a lot deeply to arrive here :) This is a forum for Geany users, so let us keep the posts reflecting the forum policy as such, and not dwell on it. I’m losing track of this conversation a bit... But if misunderstandings have occurred, then let’s shake hands and move on. :) James -- http://slippy.dynu.net/~james/ Vuelven, armada española, ustedes necesita Inglaterra ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23/07/2014, James Brierley wrote: > This indicates that the geany-plugin-scope package in Knoppix needs to > be updated to take account of the updated geany-plugins-common. I don't > really know how Knoppix derives its packages from Debian but sometimes > this used to happen to me when I used testing when pacakges depending on > one another were not transitioned from unstable at the same time. > > So, this is a problem at Knoppix's end, there isn't much the Geany > developers can do about it. > > In terms of checking for 'breakage' potential, you can check the > 'Depends' line for each package using your favourite APT tool and > compare it with the version of the package you want to install. > > I don't know why you consider my helping you 'posturing'. I tend to be > quite grateful for anyone offering me help with my computer problems > online. As for condescendment, I found your response to my initial post > to have quite that air about it. > > I hope this helps anyway. > > James > > -- > http://slippy.dynu.net/~james/ > Vuelven, armada española, ustedes necesita Inglaterra > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.geany.org > https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > Dear James :) You said: ... you can check the 'Depends' line... I do it another way. I usually use gdebi package in GUI mode to find the dependency issues. You said: ... this is a problem at Knoppix's end :) Did I say it wasn't?! When I wrote I was just asking for a solution, which brings us back to square one. :) You said: ... why you consider my helping you 'posturing'... Did I _say_ that!? :) It is your perception! :) It was a general, passing observation for 'me'! You said: ... As for condescendment, I found your response to my initial post to have quite that air about it... Was it condescension?! I just re-stated your very words in a slightly different form, actually supported you if you felt you were at all condescending (I replaced the word with 'over-assertive'), and just told the truth in a matter of fact form :) We colour our own reality! Everything is just about the "I", think about this. There is a word called 'empathy'. I've applied it a lot and a lot deeply to arrive here :) This is a forum for Geany users, so let us keep the posts reflecting the forum policy as such, and not dwell on it. Just ignore :) Regards, Rajib Bandopadhyay ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Geany-Users] I want to run a c program on Prisoner's Dilemma in Geany but can't
On 23/07/14 04:51, Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote: The following packages have unmet dependencies: geany-plugin-scope : Depends: geany-plugins-common (= 1.24+dfsg-2) but 0.21.1.dfsg-4 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. This indicates that the geany-plugin-scope package in Knoppix needs to be updated to take account of the updated geany-plugins-common. I don’t really know how Knoppix derives its packages from Debian but sometimes this used to happen to me when I used testing when pacakges depending on one another were not transitioned from unstable at the same time. So, this is a problem at Knoppix’s end, there isn’t much the Geany developers can do about it. In terms of checking for ‘breakage’ potential, you can check the ‘Depends’ line for each package using your favourite APT tool and compare it with the version of the package you want to install. I don’t know why you consider my helping you ‘posturing’. I tend to be quite grateful for anyone offering me help with my computer problems online. As for condescendment, I found your response to my initial post to have quite that air about it. I hope this helps anyway. James -- http://slippy.dynu.net/~james/ Vuelven, armada española, ustedes necesita Inglaterra ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
