Re: [IronPython] Anyone know what DLLs is called on Unix?
Courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_library, GNU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU /Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux , Solaris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29 and other System V Release 4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_V_Release_4 derivatives, and BSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD variants libfoo.a and libfoo.so files are placed in directories like /lib, /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib. The filenames always start with lib, and end with .a (archive, static library) or .so (shared object, dynamically linked library), with an optional interface number. For example libfoo.so.2 is the second major interface revision of the dynamically linked library libfoo. Old Unix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix versions would use major and minor library revision numbers (libfoo.so.1.2) while contemporary Unixes will only use major revision numbers (libfoo.so.1). Dynamically loaded libraries are placed in /usr/libexec and similar directories. The .la files sometimes found in the library directories are libtool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libtool archives, not usable by the system as such. Mac OS X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X and upwards The system inherits static library conventions from BSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD , with the library being in a .a file, and can use .so-style dynamically-linked libraries (with the .dylib suffix instead). Most libraries in Mac OS X, however, are frameworks, placed inside of special directories called bundles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundle_%28NEXTSTEP%29 , which wrap the library's required files and metadata. For example a library called My Neat Library would be implemented in a bundle called My Neat Library.framework. Microsoft Windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows *.DLL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-link_library files are dynamically linkable libraries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-link_library . Other file name patterns may be used for specific purpose DLLs, e.g. *.OCX for OCX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCX control libraries. The interface revisions are either encoded in the files, or abstracted away using COM-object http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_object_model interfaces. Depending on how they are compiled, *.LIB files can be either static libraries or representations of dynamically linkable libraries needed only during compilation, known as Import Libraries. Unlike in the UNIX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX world, where different file extensions are used, when linking against .LIB file in Windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows one must first know if it is a regular static library or an import library. In the latter case, a .DLL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-link_library file must be present at runtime. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dino Viehland Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 PM To: users@lists.ironpython.com Subject: [IronPython] Anyone know what DLLs is called on Unix? Seo proposed this feature a while ago: http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython/WorkItem/View.aspx?WorkItemId=3730 and I'm (finally) adding it and wondering what (if anything) we should do if the platform is Unix. Unfortunately I don't have a Unix box handy but I'm just guessing it's not called DLLs there :-). ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Anyone know what DLLs is called on Unix?
Same source for the refined question: Unix-like systems Most Unix-like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like systems have a search path specifying file system directories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directory_%28file_systems%29 in which to look for dynamic libraries. On some systems, the default path is specified in a configuration file http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configuration_file ; in others, it is hard coded into the dynamic loader. Some executable file http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable formats can specify additional directories in which to search for libraries for a particular program. This can usually be overridden with an environment variable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_variable , although it is disabled for setuid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid and setgid programs, so that a user can't force such a program to run arbitrary code. Developers of libraries are encouraged to place their dynamic libraries in places in the default search path. On the downside, this can make installation of new libraries problematic, and these known locations quickly become home to an increasing number of library files, making management more complex. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dino Viehland Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:40 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Anyone know what DLLs is called on Unix? Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear - I know they're .so files but is that also the name of the directory where the extensino modules are stored relative to the Python installation? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Matthews Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:37 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Anyone know what DLLs is called on Unix? .SO On 11/6/07, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seo proposed this feature a while ago: http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython/WorkItem/View.aspx?WorkItemId=3730 and I'm (finally) adding it and wondering what (if anything) we should do if the platform is Unix. Unfortunately I don't have a Unix box handy but I'm just guessing it's not called DLLs there :-). ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com -- http://www.goldwatches.com/ http://www.jewelerslounge.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Announcement: Project to get some CPython C extensions running under IronPython
NumPy is largely about speed, and going through extra interop layers can really bite into that (my $0.02). I think the suggestion for a smaller module to start with was about learning about compatibility with a more manageable chunk of code than the many, many lines of deep number-crunching that NumPy has accumulated, but maybe a few sections of compatibility there (i.e. limited part of the API) would be a similarly tractable goal? Wrapping the plain-C in COM would be a good way to test implementation compatibility, if your plan is to ported raw C to C++, so that the DLR/CLR can get some hooks in and go-quicka: the COM-wrapped CPy extensions may be faster to develop, if not performing as quickly, and if your C++ ports behave the same, you have pretty good confidence. Along the way, they'll help point out what's the framework and what's your code, especially if you can run the same test-cases through straight CPy. Wrapping all the way back through Mono seems an odd goal - isn't IPy compatible enough with CPy in source that your business apps would be light to port back to Cpy-land, if you're on Posix already anyway? For some purposes, it really makes sense, but a NumPy implementation for IPy for Mono? Seem to me that going that deep this soon will make you a valuable contributor to low-level compatibility testing... but I don't have the whole picture of where you're going. If you're going to alloy FePy, would that make a type of SteelPython? - a happier compound than Rust! Cheers, -- Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Giles Thomas Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:17 AM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Announcement: Project to get some CPython C extensions running under IronPython Davy, What would the issues be with NumPy - just the size of the API that would have to be wrapped? I must admin that my biggest concern with this would be getting everything running under Mono... Cheers, Giles Davy Mitchell wrote: On 10/12/07, Giles Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python and .NET, but also the existing CPython C extensions. Hi Giles, Sounds like a good idea and the approaches mentioned seemed solid. One strategy I was considering for a port of my Mood News site to Ironpython (but not tried yet!) is wrapping a CPython Lib into a COM object using the win32 stuff and getting it into .Net via the COM interop support. Maybe not practical for Numpy :-) Does have the advantage of not having to modify the original lib... Cheers, Davy -- Giles Thomas MD CTO, Resolver Systems Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 (0) 20 7253 6372 We're hiring! http://www.resolversystems.com/jobs/ 17a Clerkenwell Road, London EC1M 5RD, UK VAT No.: GB 893 5643 79 Registered in England and Wales as company number 5467329. Registered address: 843 Finchley Road, London NW11 8NA, UK ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] [python] Re: Object DBs - Zope/Plone vs LINQ?
Thanks for the rich responses - illuminating. To be a little more specific, I was thinking about the Object/Relational Designer in the LINQ article: not so much the SQL-variant syntax to access traditional DBs (sweet as that is, there's plenty of good ways already, ala DBI), but was wondering the language-support level for database-like collections of pythonic objects, like ZODB. It looks to me like IPy has two ways to get to roughly the same end: one down the CPy route, the other through LINQ. As usual, both is probably the preferred answer. Thanks again, -- Matt ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
[IronPython] Object DBs - Zope/Plone vs LINQ?
Folks, I was recently reading the July issue of Visual Studio mag, and the opening few paragraphs of their article on Layer Data Access... reminded me strongly of the problem solved by Zope/Plone in CPython land: databases with linked objects, rather than tabled varchars, bytes, etc. They go on to talk about how LINQ will allow storage/retrieval (CRUD) of CLR objects through a SQL-like syntax. Will IronPython have access to both these approaches? If so, there could be very terse clean crossovers through it. Any reflections on when to use which? Food for thought, -- Matt ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Using blocks separators instead of indentation
Ori,
I'm pretty sure there isn't - that's a basic 'feature' of Python itself:
code blocks are defined by whitespace.
(one of many bug-reduction syntax features)
If you're working in VS, you'll often spend a little time highlighting a
block of rows then pulling down Edit - Advanced - Increase/Decrease
Indent
when refactoring.
Other editors (I'm fond of Crimson) make that even easier.
Maybe Dino and Team can / have implement(ed) something special so IP can
recognize blocks defined by curly-braces, but it would be rather
anti-pythonic to do so. Why do you need to?
Cheers,
-- Matt
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Subject: [IronPython] Using blocks separators instead of indentation
Hello,
Is there a way to use code blocks (like { and } in other languages)
instead
of indentation?
Thanks,
Ori
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Re: [IronPython] integrating IronPython as a VS Extension with TeamSuite Trial?
Thanks Dan. Yep - IP is live in the experimental hive. Can anyone please suggest where to start to understand why the Team Studio tools in that hive have only the Developer set, not Tester (nor Architect, etc.)? Again, those are from the trial edition, if that's relevant. Alternately, can IP Extentions be added to the main hive instead? Trying to Evangelize my shop, -- Matt : Well you can get IronPython back by launching Visual Studio with the experimental hive (check shortcuts under the SDK install.) Not sure about the testers components, hopefully someone else here can help with that. -Dan ___ users mailing list users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
[IronPython] integrating IronPython as a VS Extension with Team Suite Trial?
Folks, I'm using: [begin copy from About: Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Version 8.0.50727.762 (SP.050727-7600) Microsoft .NET Framework Version 2.0.50727 Installed Edition: Enterprise Microsoft Visual Basic 2005 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual Basic 2005 Microsoft Visual C# 2005 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Microsoft Visual J# 2005 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual J# 2005 Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for Office 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for the Microsoft Office System Microsoft Visual Web Developer 2005 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual Web Developer 2005 Microsoft Web Application Projects 2005 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Web Application Projects 2005 Version 8.0.50727.762 Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Architects 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Software Architects Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Developers 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Software Developers Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Testers 77718-204-007-41996 Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Software Testers Crystal ReportsAAC60-G0CSA4B-V7000AY Crystal Reports for Visual Studio 2005 Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Software Developers - ENU Service Pack 1 (KB926601) This service pack is for Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Team Edition for Software Developers - ENU. If you later install a more recent service pack, this service pack will be uninstalled automatically. For more information, visit http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926601 SQL Server Analysis Services Microsoft SQL Server Analysis Services Designer Version 9.00.3042.00 SQL Server Integration Services Microsoft SQL Server Integration Services Designer Version 9.00.3042.00 SQL Server Reporting Services Microsoft SQL Server Reporting Services Designers Version 9.00.3042.00 Visual Studio Package Load Analyzer 1.0 A utility that analyzes package load failures in Visual Studio 2005.) end copy] with the 180-day trial version of Team Suite. I'd like to use IronPython as an integrated language (contextual textcolor, etc.) - Extension. The only how-to I've seen for that said run the Sample build in the SDK. When I do that, I get a new instance of Visual Studio that has IronPython, but no longer has access to the Team Studio for Testers components. When I close them all and re-launch, I don't have IronPython as an Extension. Would someone please point me to an instruction set, so I can add IP as an Extension without losing access to the Trial Team Suite for Testers? (I'm trying to use Load tools to show IP performance to some of the other developers). Thanks, -- Matt ___ users mailing list users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
