[Pw_forum] xspectra calculation

2010-10-21 Thread jiayudai
Dear Matteo,

Do you think what's the difference between the method in XSpectra code and the 
method in Abinit (see the ref: 
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v101/i15/e155001, 
http://prb.aps.org/abstract/PRB/v80/i6/e064110). I think the treatment is very 
similar, but they consider the Fermi-Dirac distribution for electrons. It seems 
that they also cut the occupied states when they calculate the xanes. So, do 
you think if we consider the Fermi distribution of electrons, this model can be 
used for metals?

Regards.

Jiayu

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:13:39 +0200
From: Matteo Calandra 
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>Dear Matteo,

>So when we just do the dipolar part, we don't need to care about the
>k vector, right?

yes, it is not used.

>Besides, in order to compare with an experimental spectrum, is it necessary to 
>cut
>the occupied state below Fermi energy level within our Xspectra calculation ?
>In that case, we should set "cut_occ_states" = .true. and 
>"ef_r" equal to the fermi energy we got in the scf calculation. Is it?

Yes. However if you have a small gap insulator, introduction of a 
core-hole can lead to a metallic system (close the gap). In this case it is
not clear where to cut. Actually in this case the static core-hole 
approximation is probably incorrect.
For metals it is even worst.

M.

Best regards,


[Pw_forum] xspectra calculation

2010-10-21 Thread Matteo Calandra
Dear Jiayu

 >And i think even for dipolar part, the direction of k vector should be 
 >important in some cases, such as the SiO2 in the example.

No, this is incorrect. The dipolar part cross section does not depend
on k.

 >And if we
 >want to compare the results with some experiments, we should cut the 
 >contribution of occupied states, that is, cut_occ_states = .true. 
 >should be used. But we should shift the position by hand in order to 
 >compare the results, cause i think it is very difficult to get the 
 >accurate position in DFT, or even in atomic physics, it is a difficult 
 >problem to determine the position of spectra. The "ef_r" should be the 
 >fermi energy in scf calculation with core-hole, i think.

On this second point you are right in the method but not on the reason
why one should cut at somewhat lower values with respect to e_f.
The problems that you can face are the following:

1) You have a system with a gap even in the presence of a core-hole
. In this case if you cut exactly at the bottom of the conduction band 
(empty states) then the cut_occ_states procecure can miss this peak.
So it is safer to cut at somewhat lower energy than the bottom of the
conduction band.

2) You have a system without gap in the presence of a core-hole
(either because it was a metal even without core-hole or because it
was a small gap semiconductor that becomes a metal when the core-hole
is inserted). In this case identification of where to cut is ill 
defined. In this case you should keep in mind that probably core hole
effects are not correctly described.
Of course, if DFT underestimates the gap you can easily end up in a 
metallic solution.

All the best, M.


Jiayu


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[Pw_forum] pseudopotential

2010-10-21 Thread wumindt2
Dear All,

Since there are limited pseudopotentials available on the website of QE. 
Can we mix Norm-conserving pseudo and Ultrasoft pseudo in one calculation?

Thanks.

Min Wu
2010-10-20
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