Re: [strongSwan] FW: Is that a security Issue?

2010-09-21 Thread Tobias Brunner
Hi Michalle,

 I have other question about this. Why it only happens when the ESP
 protects a Tunnel mode IP traffic.
 I have never seen that plain text under the transport model.

Yes, this only happens with tunnel mode.  I don't know the exact reason for it,
it's probably just a side effect of how tunnel mode is implemented in the 
kernel.

 And also does that means the the Linux Kernal knows the SA Key which
 established between Strongswan and my implementation, otherwise
 how it could decrypt the ESP packet.

That's exactly how it works.  All the IPsec traffic (ESP/AH) is directly handled
by the Linux kernel.  strongSwan just acts as a keying daemon that operates in
userland and writes the keys it establishes via IKE to the Linux kernel using
Netlink/XFRM or PF_KEY.  To see the SAs and keys that are currently configured
in the kernel you can also use the 'ip xfrm state' command.

Regards,
Tobias

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Re: [strongSwan] FW: Is that a security Issue?

2010-09-21 Thread michalle OY

Tobias, 

Thanks for you clarification. 

Yes, I use the Wireshark located at the same machine with StrongSwan.

I have other question about this. Why it only happens when the ESP protects a 
Tunnel mode IP traffic. 

I have never seen that plain text under the transport model. And also does that 
means the

the Linux Kernal knows the SA Key which established between Strongswan and my 
implementation, otherwise

how it could decrypt the ESP packet.

 

Thanks

Michalle
 
 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:33:50 +0200
 From: tob...@strongswan.org
 To: michalle...@hotmail.com
 CC: users@lists.strongswan.org
 Subject: Re: [strongSwan] FW: Is that a security Issue?
 
 Hi Michalle,
 
  there will be a plain text of ICMP echo request (which decrypyt the
  orignial ESP packet from my implementation) in the network.
 
 You didn't write on which host you captured the packets with Wireshark. If it
 was on the same host on which strongSwan was running then this behavior is
 normal. It is a quirk of the Linux kernel that for incoming traffic both the
 ESP packet and the decrypted payload are captured and that for outgoing 
 traffic
 only encrypted ESP packets are visible.
 
 Regards,
 Tobias
 
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Re: [strongSwan] FW: Is that a security Issue?

2010-09-20 Thread Tobias Brunner
Hi Michalle,

 there will be a plain text of ICMP echo request (which decrypyt the
 orignial ESP packet from my implementation) in the network.

You didn't write on which host you captured the packets with Wireshark.  If it
was on the same host on which strongSwan was running then this behavior is
normal.  It is a quirk of the Linux kernel that for incoming traffic both the
ESP packet and the decrypted payload are captured and that for outgoing traffic
only encrypted ESP packets are visible.

Regards,
Tobias


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