Re: my lobotomy [was: Improving Maven Site Docs]

2007-09-28 Thread Lally Singh
Actually, the model of 'shortcut translates to raw maven' may really
be the crux in getting maven really usable --- syntactic sugar can be
really effective.


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H. Lally Singh
Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science
Virginia Tech

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Re: my lobotomy [was: Improving Maven Site Docs]

2007-09-27 Thread Rodrigo Madera
>
> P.S. Since I couldn't, in good conscience, keep contributing to
>  marginally topical branches of this thread without actually
>  contributing "real" content, I've added a new "Maven for Make and
>  GNU Autotools" users section to the "Getting Started with Maven"
>  wiki page:


That's the most intelligent thing done on this thread so far.
Congratulations.

Regards,
Rodrigo


my lobotomy [was: Improving Maven Site Docs]

2007-09-27 Thread Alan D. Salewski
On 9/27/07, Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus:
> On 9/27/07, Alan D. Salewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'm not suggesting that the maven 2.x 'install' build life cycle phase
> > be renamed at this point because maven is well-enough established that
> > doing so would be needlessly disruptive. But, thinking back to my
> > pre-maven-lobotomy days, it would have been nice if it did not violate
> > the principle of least surprise on this point. To the extent possible,
> > new approaches and new tools should leverage users' existing experience
> > as much as possible.
> 
> Some aliases could be useful.  Just have an alias called 'available'
> that maven translates to 'install'.
> 
> Similarly, a command line option -t which translates to
> -Dmaven.test.skip=true :-)

Oh, I've got boatloads of aliases and wrapper scripts for maven (and
most other tools that have non-trivial invocation variations that I use
frequently, for that matter). I was just using the overloaded meaning of
'install' as an example of something that causes a needless impedence
mismatch for new maven users that are familiar with other widely used
tools.

-Al

P.S. Since I couldn't, in good conscience, keep contributing to
 marginally topical branches of this thread without actually
 contributing "real" content, I've added a new "Maven for Make and
 GNU Autotools" users section to the "Getting Started with Maven"
 wiki page:

 
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/Getting+Started+with+Maven#GettingStartedwithMaven-MavenforMakeandGNUAutotoolsusers

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