Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
On 9/4/07, Matt Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like that name too. Should the text for it be "text" like on other > components or "caption"? We already have an example of convenience-attribute+facet on column; there it's "header" and "headerText". So perhaps the facet should be "caption" and the attribute "captionText". -- Adam > > Regarding this example mentioned earlier: > > > > > > > > this could potentially be supported but without the lines drawn along the > sides. I'm thinking that when placed directly inside of a panelFormLayout, > it could have the simple separator lines (exactly like tr:group today) but > with the caption appearing on top of the upper separator line, e.g.: > > label1field1 > -- Caption - > label2field2 > label3field3 > > label4field4 > > and when outside of a panelFormLayout (as in your proposal) where you don't > have to play well with the table structure of the form layout, the > PanelCaptionGroupRenderer will use the normal fieldset elements. > > Regards, > Matt > > > On 9/4/07, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/4/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah, I initially went with the enhanced panelFormLayout approach and > > > decided against it. > > > > > > The name is also frustrating, so how about ? > > > > I think I like that name. > > > > -- Adam > > > > > > > > I'll give it 24hrs for other people to chime in, then I'll go with the > > > above. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Danny > > > > > > > > > On 9/4/07, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yep, I agree that the Layout suffix shouldn't be there. > > > > I'm wondering if we want a name more abstracted from > > > > the HTML "fieldset" concept, though none really > > > > come to mind. > > > > > > > > Or, as a perhaps more radical suggestion, could this be > > > > something embedded inside panelFormLayout? Like if > > > > we supported "caption" on af:group? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has some major disadvantages, though. It's probably > > > > significantly harder to implement (more grunge in the > > > > already grungy PanelFormLayout code) and no way to use it > > > > outside of panelFormLayout. So I've probably just talked myself > > > > out of this suggestion. :) > > > > > > > > -- Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > > > > > True, panelBox does not include the Layout suffix (a fact I somehow > > > > > forgotten / overlooked), so stripping the Layout suffix is fine with > me. > > > I > > > > > like the attribute shortcut for the legend as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I knocked together this component to see what it would look like > and > > > what > > > > > skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an > > > attached > > > > > screenshot. > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the > > > 'Layout' > > > > > suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore > closer > > > in > > > > > functionality to panelBox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > columns="1"/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > > captionText="This shouldn't appear"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would prefer something along the lines of > tr:panelFieldSetLayout > > > with > > > > > a legend facet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component > that > > > > > rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include > this > > > in > > > > > our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from > introducing > > > other > > > > > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other > than > > > > > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
I like that name too. Should the text for it be "text" like on other components or "caption"? Regarding this example mentioned earlier: this could potentially be supported but without the lines drawn along the sides. I'm thinking that when placed directly inside of a panelFormLayout, it could have the simple separator lines (exactly like tr:group today) but with the caption appearing on top of the upper separator line, e.g.: label1field1 -- Caption - label2field2 label3field3 label4field4 and when outside of a panelFormLayout (as in your proposal) where you don't have to play well with the table structure of the form layout, the PanelCaptionGroupRenderer will use the normal fieldset elements. Regards, Matt On 9/4/07, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/4/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I initially went with the enhanced panelFormLayout approach and > > decided against it. > > > > The name is also frustrating, so how about ? > > I think I like that name. > > -- Adam > > > > > I'll give it 24hrs for other people to chime in, then I'll go with the > > above. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Danny > > > > > > On 9/4/07, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yep, I agree that the Layout suffix shouldn't be there. > > > I'm wondering if we want a name more abstracted from > > > the HTML "fieldset" concept, though none really > > > come to mind. > > > > > > Or, as a perhaps more radical suggestion, could this be > > > something embedded inside panelFormLayout? Like if > > > we supported "caption" on af:group? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has some major disadvantages, though. It's probably > > > significantly harder to implement (more grunge in the > > > already grungy PanelFormLayout code) and no way to use it > > > outside of panelFormLayout. So I've probably just talked myself > > > out of this suggestion. :) > > > > > > -- Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > > > True, panelBox does not include the Layout suffix (a fact I somehow > > > > forgotten / overlooked), so stripping the Layout suffix is fine with > me. > > I > > > > like the attribute shortcut for the legend as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I knocked together this component to see what it would look like > and > > what > > > > skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an > > attached > > > > screenshot. > > > > > > > > > > FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the > > 'Layout' > > > > suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore > closer > > in > > > > functionality to panelBox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> columns="1"/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > captionText="This shouldn't appear"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone, > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would prefer something along the lines of > tr:panelFieldSetLayout > > with > > > > a legend facet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component > that > > > > rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include > this > > in > > > > our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from > introducing > > other > > > > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other > than > > > > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > > > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > www.chordiant.com >
Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
On 9/4/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I initially went with the enhanced panelFormLayout approach and > decided against it. > > The name is also frustrating, so how about ? I think I like that name. -- Adam > > I'll give it 24hrs for other people to chime in, then I'll go with the > above. > > Thanks, > > Danny > > > On 9/4/07, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yep, I agree that the Layout suffix shouldn't be there. > > I'm wondering if we want a name more abstracted from > > the HTML "fieldset" concept, though none really > > come to mind. > > > > Or, as a perhaps more radical suggestion, could this be > > something embedded inside panelFormLayout? Like if > > we supported "caption" on af:group? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has some major disadvantages, though. It's probably > > significantly harder to implement (more grunge in the > > already grungy PanelFormLayout code) and no way to use it > > outside of panelFormLayout. So I've probably just talked myself > > out of this suggestion. :) > > > > -- Adam > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > True, panelBox does not include the Layout suffix (a fact I somehow > > > forgotten / overlooked), so stripping the Layout suffix is fine with me. > I > > > like the attribute shortcut for the legend as well. > > > > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I knocked together this component to see what it would look like and > what > > > skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an > attached > > > screenshot. > > > > > > > > FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the > 'Layout' > > > suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore closer > in > > > functionality to panelBox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >columns="1"/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > captionText="This shouldn't appear"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone, > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > > > > > I would prefer something along the lines of tr:panelFieldSetLayout > with > > > a legend facet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component that > > > rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include this > in > > > our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from introducing > other > > > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other than > > > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chordiant Software Inc. > www.chordiant.com
Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
Yeah, I initially went with the enhanced panelFormLayout approach and decided against it. The name is also frustrating, so how about ? I'll give it 24hrs for other people to chime in, then I'll go with the above. Thanks, Danny On 9/4/07, Adam Winer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yep, I agree that the Layout suffix shouldn't be there. > I'm wondering if we want a name more abstracted from > the HTML "fieldset" concept, though none really > come to mind. > > Or, as a perhaps more radical suggestion, could this be > something embedded inside panelFormLayout? Like if > we supported "caption" on af:group? > > > > > > > > This has some major disadvantages, though. It's probably > significantly harder to implement (more grunge in the > already grungy PanelFormLayout code) and no way to use it > outside of panelFormLayout. So I've probably just talked myself > out of this suggestion. :) > > -- Adam > > > > On 8/30/07, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Danny, > > > > True, panelBox does not include the Layout suffix (a fact I somehow > > forgotten / overlooked), so stripping the Layout suffix is fine with me. > I > > like the attribute shortcut for the legend as well. > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I knocked together this component to see what it would look like and > what > > skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an > attached > > screenshot. > > > > > > FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the > 'Layout' > > suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore closer > in > > functionality to panelBox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >columns="1"/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > captionText="This shouldn't appear"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone, > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > > > I would prefer something along the lines of tr:panelFieldSetLayout > with > > a legend facet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component that > > rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include this > in > > our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from introducing > other > > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > > > > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other than > > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > -- Chordiant Software Inc. www.chordiant.com
Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
Yep, I agree that the Layout suffix shouldn't be there. I'm wondering if we want a name more abstracted from the HTML "fieldset" concept, though none really come to mind. Or, as a perhaps more radical suggestion, could this be something embedded inside panelFormLayout? Like if we supported "caption" on af:group? This has some major disadvantages, though. It's probably significantly harder to implement (more grunge in the already grungy PanelFormLayout code) and no way to use it outside of panelFormLayout. So I've probably just talked myself out of this suggestion. :) -- Adam On 8/30/07, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Danny, > > True, panelBox does not include the Layout suffix (a fact I somehow > forgotten / overlooked), so stripping the Layout suffix is fine with me. I > like the attribute shortcut for the legend as well. > > > ~ Simon > > > On 8/30/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I knocked together this component to see what it would look like and what > skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an attached > screenshot. > > > > FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the 'Layout' > suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore closer in > functionality to panelBox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > captionText="This shouldn't appear"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone, > > > > D. > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > I would prefer something along the lines of tr:panelFieldSetLayout with > a legend facet. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component that > rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include this in > our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from introducing other > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other than > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > www.chordiant.com > > > >
Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
Just pinging for any other responses. On 8/30/07, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Danny, > > True, panelBox does not include the Layout suffix (a fact I somehow > forgotten / overlooked), so stripping the Layout suffix is fine with me. I > like the attribute shortcut for the legend as well. > > > ~ Simon > > On 8/30/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I knocked together this component to see what it would look like and > > what skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an > > attached screenshot. > > > > FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the > > 'Layout' suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore > > closer in functionality to panelBox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > captionText="This shouldn't appear"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone, > > > > D. > > > > On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > > > I would prefer something along the lines of tr:panelFieldSetLayout > > > with a legend facet. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > ~ Simon > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component that > > > > rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include this > > > > in > > > > our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from introducing > > > > other > > > > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other than > > > > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Danny > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > -- Chordiant Software Inc. www.chordiant.com
Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
Hello Danny, True, panelBox does not include the Layout suffix (a fact I somehow forgotten / overlooked), so stripping the Layout suffix is fine with me. I like the attribute shortcut for the legend as well. ~ Simon On 8/30/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I knocked together this component to see what it would look like and what > skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an attached > screenshot. > > FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the 'Layout' > suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore closer in > functionality to panelBox. > > > > > > > > > > > OR >captionText="This shouldn't appear"> > > > > > > > Thoughts anyone, > > D. > > On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Danny, > > > > I would prefer something along the lines of tr:panelFieldSetLayout with > > a legend facet. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > ~ Simon > > > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component that > > > rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include this in > > > our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from introducing > > > other > > > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other than > > > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Danny > > > > > > -- > > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > > www.chordiant.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Chordiant Software Inc. > www.chordiant.com > >
Re: [TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
I knocked together this component to see what it would look like and what skin selectors would be required. Here's some tag examples and an attached screenshot. FWIW while Simon's name suggestion was better, I'm not fan of the 'Layout' suffix, as it doesn't actually perform layout, and is therefore closer in functionality to panelBox. OR Thoughts anyone, D. On 8/29/07, Simon Lessard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Danny, > > I would prefer something along the lines of tr:panelFieldSetLayout with a > legend facet. > > > Regards, > > ~ Simon > > On 8/29/07, Danny Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component that rendered > > output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include this in our > > applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from introducing other > > component libraries just for the odd extra component. > > > > I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other than > > tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Danny > > > > -- > > Chordiant Software Inc. > > www.chordiant.com > > > -- Chordiant Software Inc. www.chordiant.com <>
[TRINIDAD] Proposal - fieldset/legend component
Would there be interest in a skinnable/ajaxified component that rendered output using html fieldset/legend. We'd like to include this in our applications and I'm keen to keep our users away from introducing other component libraries just for the odd extra component. I'm struggling to think of a nice sounding tag name, other than tr:panelBoxAndLegend but it could look something like: ... Thanks, Danny -- Chordiant Software Inc. www.chordiant.com
