Re: status of tiles support
Hi, we use Tiles with MyFaces 1.1.4 and a Tomahawk 1.1.5 snapshot without problems. Here some notes of my point of view (as I already stated in the ajax4jsf mailing list because of Tiles problems) The reason why we selected Tiles was, that when we started with JSF, there was no templating framework available (for our first app we used Sitemesh but it was not really compatible with JSF and so we changed to Tiles after a while). And at this time the facelets framework was not available (at least for production usage) In the templating context I need nothing more than Tiles provides. When we started with the MyFaces-Tiles solution I had not the feeling that it is an "exotic" solution. Of course, I noticed that a hype about facelets arose and I tried it out. But in my opinion the benefits of facelets is not worth to change from Tiles to facelets except if such a change would be unproblematic. On the contrary, I'm afraid that a change to facelets would brings us many problems when we have to port existing applications to facelets (I read several posts on the myfaces list but I've no real experience with larger applications about this). Regards, Martin Michael Südkamp wrote: > > Hello, > > I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? > > The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles > web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with > 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: > org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). > > The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not > up to date. > > Can anyone help me how to set it up? > > Michael > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/status-of-tiles-support-tf2513476.html#a7164956 Sent from the MyFaces - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Re: status of tiles support
On 10/26/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dude. Tiles support was added, when tiles was still cool and was not the funniest (or still is) for doing that. now we have facelets, why tiles ? :) We should keep it for backward fun, but I am def. +1 on @deprecated I wouldn't completely write Tiles off just yet :-) I've been using Facelets for the last 3 or 4 months and I do like it better than Tiles for a JSF application. However, I'm one of the holdouts that haven't yet decided that JSP is completely evil :-) And there are a few idiosyncrosies about Facelets that tend to get in the way. For example, if I insert a JavaScript snippet I don't like having to use "<=" instead of "<=" and various other XHTML stuff that gets in the way occasionally. Plus if I have a JSP tag that I really like but it's not a JSF component I can't use it with Facelets without making it a JSF component. I'm envisioning a way where Tiles can be modified to work a bit more like Facelets - sort of a JSP-based Facelets. I'm sure that makes many people cringe :-) Some of the newer developments going on in Tiles 2 make it more useful IMO. Of course most of these are being envisioned in a Struts-based world, but it's being done in a way that it can be used from JSF as well. As much as people dislike JSP I don't see it going away anytime soon and I think a better Tiles would make it a lot easier to work with. But at the present time, Facelets is my recommendation for JSF apps. Greg
Re: status of tiles support
well ... the wml renderkit ... is still ... on my todo list :) On 10/26/06, Dennis Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is good to hear. I thought it had gone the way of the WML render kit. Dennis Byrne >-Original Message- >From: Bjørn T Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:46 PM >To: users@myfaces.apache.org >Subject: Re: status of tiles support > >I am using tiles with myfaces 1.1.4 and tomahawk 1.1.3; works like a charm... :) > >BTJ > >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:44:30 + >"Dennis Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Matze, >> >> Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these >> haven't worked well since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) >> >> Dennis Byrne >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM >> >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' >> >Subject: Re: status of tiles support >> > >> >it is this clazz >> > >> >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl >> > >> >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF app >> > >> >-Matthias >> > >> >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? >> >> >> >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles >> >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with >> >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: >> >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). >> >> >> >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not >> >> up to date. >> >> >> >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Matthias Wessendorf >> >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh >> > >> >further stuff: >> >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >> >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com >> > >> >> > -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: status of tiles support
>JS less :) sure +1 on that. Do you want to start a discussion on the dev list about org.apache.myfaces.ALLOW_JAVASCRIPT ? my friend, that's for you :) >back to alaska ? or still in india ? Back from India, to Chicago :) ah I dude, I remember! :) you like it there ? >-M Dennis Byrne >On 10/26/06, Dennis Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Matze, >> >> Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these haven't worked well since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) >> >> Dennis Byrne >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM >> >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' >> >Subject: Re: status of tiles support >> > >> >it is this clazz >> > >> >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl >> > >> >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF app >> > >> >-Matthias >> > >> >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? >> >> >> >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles >> >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with >> >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: >> >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). >> >> >> >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not >> >> up to date. >> >> >> >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Matthias Wessendorf >> >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh >> > >> >further stuff: >> >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >> >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com >> > >> >> >> > > >-- >Matthias Wessendorf >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh > >further stuff: >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: status of tiles support
>We should keep it for backward fun, but I am def. +1 on @deprecated > >JS less :) sure +1 on that. Do you want to start a discussion on the dev list about org.apache.myfaces.ALLOW_JAVASCRIPT ? >back to alaska ? or still in india ? Back from India, to Chicago :) >-M Dennis Byrne >On 10/26/06, Dennis Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Matze, >> >> Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature >> should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these haven't worked well >> since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) >> >> Dennis Byrne >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM >> >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' >> >Subject: Re: status of tiles support >> > >> >it is this clazz >> > >> >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl >> > >> >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF >> >app >> > >> >-Matthias >> > >> >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? >> >> >> >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles >> >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with >> >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: >> >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). >> >> >> >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not >> >> up to date. >> >> >> >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Matthias Wessendorf >> >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh >> > >> >further stuff: >> >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >> >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com >> > >> >> >> > > >-- >Matthias Wessendorf >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh > >further stuff: >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com >
Re: status of tiles support
This is good to hear. I thought it had gone the way of the WML render kit. Dennis Byrne >-Original Message- >From: Bjørn T Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:46 PM >To: users@myfaces.apache.org >Subject: Re: status of tiles support > >I am using tiles with myfaces 1.1.4 and tomahawk 1.1.3; works like a charm... >:) > >BTJ > >On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:44:30 + >"Dennis Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Matze, >> >> Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature >> should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these >> haven't worked well since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) >> >> Dennis Byrne >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM >> >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' >> >Subject: Re: status of tiles support >> > >> >it is this clazz >> > >> >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl >> > >> >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF >> >app >> > >> >-Matthias >> > >> >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? >> >> >> >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles >> >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with >> >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: >> >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). >> >> >> >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not >> >> up to date. >> >> >> >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Matthias Wessendorf >> >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh >> > >> >further stuff: >> >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >> >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com >> > >> >> >
Re: status of tiles support
good to hear! :) On 10/26/06, Bjørn T Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am using tiles with myfaces 1.1.4 and tomahawk 1.1.3; works like a charm... :) BTJ On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:44:30 + "Dennis Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Matze, > > Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these > haven't worked well since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) > > Dennis Byrne > > >-Original Message- > >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM > >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' > >Subject: Re: status of tiles support > > > >it is this clazz > > > >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl > > > >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF app > > > >-Matthias > > > >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? > >> > >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles > >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with > >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: > >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). > >> > >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not > >> up to date. > >> > >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Matthias Wessendorf > >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh > > > >further stuff: > >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf > >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > > > > -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: status of tiles support
dude. Tiles support was added, when tiles was still cool and was not the funniest (or still is) for doing that. now we have facelets, why tiles ? :) We should keep it for backward fun, but I am def. +1 on @deprecated JS less :) sure +1 on that. you are not the only one ;) back to alaska ? or still in india ? -M On 10/26/06, Dennis Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Matze, Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these haven't worked well since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) Dennis Byrne >-Original Message- >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' >Subject: Re: status of tiles support > >it is this clazz > >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl > >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF app > >-Matthias > >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? >> >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). >> >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not >> up to date. >> >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? >> >> Michael >> >> > > >-- >Matthias Wessendorf >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh > >further stuff: >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: status of tiles support
I am using tiles with myfaces 1.1.4 and tomahawk 1.1.3; works like a charm... :) BTJ On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:44:30 + "Dennis Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Matze, > > Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature > should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these > haven't worked well since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) > > Dennis Byrne > > >-Original Message- > >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM > >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' > >Subject: Re: status of tiles support > > > >it is this clazz > > > >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl > > > >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF > >app > > > >-Matthias > > > >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? > >> > >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles > >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with > >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: > >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). > >> > >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not > >> up to date. > >> > >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Matthias Wessendorf > >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh > > > >further stuff: > >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf > >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > > > >
Re: status of tiles support
Hi Matze, Am I the only one who feels the Tiles support and javascriptless feature should officially be retired ? To my knowledge these haven't worked well since the good ol' 1.0.9 days :) Dennis Byrne >-Original Message- >From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 01:40 PM >To: 'MyFaces Discussion' >Subject: Re: status of tiles support > >it is this clazz > >org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl > >To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF app > >-Matthias > >On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? >> >> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles >> web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with >> 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: >> org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). >> >> The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not >> up to date. >> >> Can anyone help me how to set it up? >> >> Michael >> >> > > >-- >Matthias Wessendorf >http://tinyurl.com/fmywh > >further stuff: >blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf >mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com >
Re: status of tiles support
it is this clazz org.apache.myfaces.tomahawk.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl To be honest, you should try Facelets instead of Tiles for templating a JSF app -Matthias On 10/26/06, Michael Südkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not up to date. Can anyone help me how to set it up? Michael -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: AW: status of tiles support
Michael Südkamp wrote: > Yes, thank you I expected it still at the release builds. > Some of that stuff was missing from releases during the summer builds, because the team was still switching over to use maven. They have resumed with the full complement of release artifacts with the Core 1.1.4 release, and I expect the next Tomahawk release to be fully decked-out as well. If you want to find out for sure, you can watch this document [1] and the documents that it links to (e.g. [2]). Hmm looks like including the examples in the Tomahawk release is in their "TODO" list for the 1.1.4 release. :) "Figure out whether/how to release the Tomahawk example apps, add it to the script" Maybe they will discuss it on the dev list at some point. [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/current/STATUS.txt [2] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/TomahawkRelease114 Regards, Jeff Bischoff Kenneth L Kurz & Associates, Inc.
AW: status of tiles support
Yes, thank you I expected it still at the release builds. Michael > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Jeff Bischoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Oktober 2006 18:07 > An: MyFaces Discussion > Betreff: Re: status of tiles support > > > > The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 > > Not entirely true... > > Look for source and examples to accompany Tomahawk in future > releases. > But for now, you can look at the examples in source (svn) or via the > nightly builds [1]. > > If you download e.g. > tomahawk-examples-1.1.5-SNAPSHOT-bin.zip, that has > a myfaces-example-tiles-1.1.5-SNAPSHOT.war. > > Enjoy! > > [1] http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ > > Regards, > > Jeff Bischoff > Kenneth L Kurz & Associates, Inc. > > Michael Südkamp wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? > > > > The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the > included tiles > > web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably > also not with > > 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: > > org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). > > > > The wiki topic at > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not > > up to date. > > > > Can anyone help me how to set it up? > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: status of tiles support
> The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 Not entirely true... Look for source and examples to accompany Tomahawk in future releases. But for now, you can look at the examples in source (svn) or via the nightly builds [1]. If you download e.g. tomahawk-examples-1.1.5-SNAPSHOT-bin.zip, that has a myfaces-example-tiles-1.1.5-SNAPSHOT.war. Enjoy! [1] http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/nightly/ Regards, Jeff Bischoff Kenneth L Kurz & Associates, Inc. Michael Südkamp wrote: Hello, I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not up to date. Can anyone help me how to set it up? Michael
status of tiles support
Hello, I wonder what is the status of the tiles support? The myfaces-examples are still at version 1.1.1 and the included tiles web-app will not run with the the 1.1.3 libs (and probably also not with 1.1.4) (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.myfaces.application.jsp.JspTilesViewHandlerImpl). The wiki topic at http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Tiles_and_JSF is also not up to date. Can anyone help me how to set it up? Michael
