Re: Re: Start project?
Ok, so then have a look at Exadel. You can create a skeleton jsf-web app at the beginning when starting with a new project. And sure, it`s not a need to use all the tools coming with Exadel; Just use the plain editors :) If you are a bit familiar with maven2 (to get the myfaces archetype this is also not a need) you can also have a look at: http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/MyFaces_Archetypes_for_Maven Here is described how to build a myfaces skeleton with maven2, without any burden of editors. cheers, Gerald On 9/15/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gerald Let me rant a bit. Thank you for your answer. Well my personally prefered approach ist the buttom up approach (study first the tecnical things up to klick-klick tools) and not the top down approach (klick-klick tools to the tecnical things). It was mostly the better choose. But some of the tools generate you some usefull project skeletons ... and thats what I'm looking for in a first phase as a JSF beginner. I'm not looking for a full gui support eclipse plugin, where I spend half of time klick my application togehter (I do not say this is the absolutly worst way). In my personally view of JSF, this is one great goal of JSF, to have some cool klick-klick tools that supports the developers to create a web application with a gui. regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerald Müllan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. September 2006 10:42 An: MyFaces Discussion Betreff: Re: Re: Start project? Hi, you can also use MyEclipse or Exadel, both have an license agreement where you can develop with a good environment under a free license. However, it is not the most worse idea to learn JSF with the help of not too many tools. cheer, Gerald On 9/14/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone I hope I don't bother you. So what is then you prefered development envirement? Eclipse don't have any support ... well it has but it is not working correct and the plugin is still in development. I'm interested using eclipse anyway. Should I start simply with a dynamic web project? Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Werner Punz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 18:00 An: users@myfaces.apache.org Betreff: Re: Start project? Christoph Lassner schrieb: Yes, it is possible, but connected to quite some bits of work (because u have to use other components, etc.). You should have a closer look at the components you need and then decide for a framework. However, like I said, if you really want to change your framework in some time, it will be possible. Regards Chris Besides that there is an ongoing work to reduce the incompatibilities between the two codebases, in most cases it now should be possible to mix both component sets without too much problems. But you have to go for the nightly builds to be fully able to do it, the last stable versions still had major issues, which have been cleared up a few weeks ago. -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
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Hi Gerald I'm not familiar with maven but it looks quit interesting and fit (I think so) exactly my needs. I will have a look at maven. Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerald Müllan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 15. September 2006 11:03 An: MyFaces Discussion Betreff: Re: Re: Start project? Ok, so then have a look at Exadel. You can create a skeleton jsf-web app at the beginning when starting with a new project. And sure, it`s not a need to use all the tools coming with Exadel; Just use the plain editors :) If you are a bit familiar with maven2 (to get the myfaces archetype this is also not a need) you can also have a look at: http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/MyFaces_Archetypes_for_Maven Here is described how to build a myfaces skeleton with maven2, without any burden of editors. cheers, Gerald On 9/15/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gerald Let me rant a bit. Thank you for your answer. Well my personally prefered approach ist the buttom up approach (study first the tecnical things up to klick-klick tools) and not the top down approach (klick-klick tools to the tecnical things). It was mostly the better choose. But some of the tools generate you some usefull project skeletons ... and thats what I'm looking for in a first phase as a JSF beginner. I'm not looking for a full gui support eclipse plugin, where I spend half of time klick my application togehter (I do not say this is the absolutly worst way). In my personally view of JSF, this is one great goal of JSF, to have some cool klick-klick tools that supports the developers to create a web application with a gui. regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerald Müllan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. September 2006 10:42 An: MyFaces Discussion Betreff: Re: Re: Start project? Hi, you can also use MyEclipse or Exadel, both have an license agreement where you can develop with a good environment under a free license. However, it is not the most worse idea to learn JSF with the help of not too many tools. cheer, Gerald On 9/14/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone I hope I don't bother you. So what is then you prefered development envirement? Eclipse don't have any support ... well it has but it is not working correct and the plugin is still in development. I'm interested using eclipse anyway. Should I start simply with a dynamic web project? Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Werner Punz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 18:00 An: users@myfaces.apache.org Betreff: Re: Start project? Christoph Lassner schrieb: Yes, it is possible, but connected to quite some bits of work (because u have to use other components, etc.). You should have a closer look at the components you need and then decide for a framework. However, like I said, if you really want to change your framework in some time, it will be possible. Regards Chris Besides that there is an ongoing work to reduce the incompatibilities between the two codebases, in most cases it now should be possible to mix both component sets without too much problems. But you have to go for the nightly builds to be fully able to do it, the last stable versions still had major issues, which have been cleared up a few weeks ago. -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: Re: Start project?
Hi, you can also use MyEclipse or Exadel, both have an license agreement where you can develop with a good environment under a free license. However, it is not the most worse idea to learn JSF with the help of not too many tools. cheer, Gerald On 9/14/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone I hope I don't bother you. So what is then you prefered development envirement? Eclipse don't have any support ... well it has but it is not working correct and the plugin is still in development. I'm interested using eclipse anyway. Should I start simply with a dynamic web project? Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Werner Punz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 18:00 An: users@myfaces.apache.org Betreff: Re: Start project? Christoph Lassner schrieb: Yes, it is possible, but connected to quite some bits of work (because u have to use other components, etc.). You should have a closer look at the components you need and then decide for a framework. However, like I said, if you really want to change your framework in some time, it will be possible. Regards Chris Besides that there is an ongoing work to reduce the incompatibilities between the two codebases, in most cases it now should be possible to mix both component sets without too much problems. But you have to go for the nightly builds to be fully able to do it, the last stable versions still had major issues, which have been cleared up a few weeks ago. -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
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Dear Gerald Let me rant a bit. Thank you for your answer. Well my personally prefered approach ist the buttom up approach (study first the tecnical things up to klick-klick tools) and not the top down approach (klick-klick tools to the tecnical things). It was mostly the better choose. But some of the tools generate you some usefull project skeletons ... and thats what I'm looking for in a first phase as a JSF beginner. I'm not looking for a full gui support eclipse plugin, where I spend half of time klick my application togehter (I do not say this is the absolutly worst way). In my personally view of JSF, this is one great goal of JSF, to have some cool klick-klick tools that supports the developers to create a web application with a gui. regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerald Müllan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. September 2006 10:42 An: MyFaces Discussion Betreff: Re: Re: Start project? Hi, you can also use MyEclipse or Exadel, both have an license agreement where you can develop with a good environment under a free license. However, it is not the most worse idea to learn JSF with the help of not too many tools. cheer, Gerald On 9/14/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone I hope I don't bother you. So what is then you prefered development envirement? Eclipse don't have any support ... well it has but it is not working correct and the plugin is still in development. I'm interested using eclipse anyway. Should I start simply with a dynamic web project? Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Werner Punz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 18:00 An: users@myfaces.apache.org Betreff: Re: Start project? Christoph Lassner schrieb: Yes, it is possible, but connected to quite some bits of work (because u have to use other components, etc.). You should have a closer look at the components you need and then decide for a framework. However, like I said, if you really want to change your framework in some time, it will be possible. Regards Chris Besides that there is an ongoing work to reduce the incompatibilities between the two codebases, in most cases it now should be possible to mix both component sets without too much problems. But you have to go for the nightly builds to be fully able to do it, the last stable versions still had major issues, which have been cleared up a few weeks ago. -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: Start project?
Hi, at the moment, the best way not to run into any problems is to use tomahawk and/or sandbox (this combination can be used without any problems) OR apache trinidad (former called ADF Faces). We are working on getting these two worlds collaborate well, but at the moment it is not that quite stable. cheers, Gerald On 9/13/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hy Everyone I'm new to the Mailling List and I have two very easy questions, until I'm a little bit confused about Tomahawk, ADF Faces from Oracle and Sandbox: What is at the moment the best way to start a project? Should I use the ADF Faces from Oracle an Myfaces together? Or instead of ADF Faces from Oracle, Tomahawk and/or Sandbox? Can someone explain me? I think the ADF Faces should be merged ord not? regards Matthias -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
RE: Start project?
Hi Parts of SDF Faces have been donated from Oracle to the MyFaces project and become hte Trinidad subproject. Which to use? Difficult it completely depends on your UI-requirements. For complexity reasons it might be better to reduce the stack at the beginning to MyFaces and Tomahawk and only include Trinidad if you absolutely need some components from that set. regards Alexander From: Mosimann Matthias [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:26 PMTo: users@myfaces.apache.orgSubject: Start project? Hy Everyone I'm new to the Mailling List and I have two very easy questions, until I'm a little bit confused about Tomahawk, ADF Faces from Oracle and Sandbox: What is at the moment the best way to start a project? Should I use the ADF Faces from Oracle an Myfaces together? Or instead of ADF Faces from Oracle, Tomahawk and/or Sandbox? Can someone explain me? I think the ADF Faces should be merged ord not? regardsMatthias
Re: Start project?
Hi, i could not find any builds to download, think you have to build them on your own via maven after a fresh svn checkout. But this should not take that much time. Checkout trinidad website for this: http://incubator.apache.org/adffaces/ regards, Gerald On 9/13/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gerald Thank you for your fast answer. Do I have to download from the Oracle Website or do I have to checkout from den SVN Repository? Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerald Müllan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 14:38 An: MyFaces Discussion Betreff: Re: Start project? Hi, at the moment, the best way not to run into any problems is to use tomahawk and/or sandbox (this combination can be used without any problems) OR apache trinidad (former called ADF Faces). We are working on getting these two worlds collaborate well, but at the moment it is not that quite stable. cheers, Gerald On 9/13/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hy Everyone I'm new to the Mailling List and I have two very easy questions, until I'm a little bit confused about Tomahawk, ADF Faces from Oracle and Sandbox: What is at the moment the best way to start a project? Should I use the ADF Faces from Oracle an Myfaces together? Or instead of ADF Faces from Oracle, Tomahawk and/or Sandbox? Can someone explain me? I think the ADF Faces should be merged ord not? regards Matthias -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: Start project?
You won't find any because there are no links to these pages, but they are available. Matthias Wessendorf was so kind to provide me this link: http://people.apache.org/repo/m2-snapshot-repository/org/apache/myfaces/trinidad/ It saves you a lot of time. Load trinidad-api-m1-snapshot and trinidad-impl-m1-snapshot and copy them to your lib dir. After that, you'll have to follow some installation instructions, which can be found here: http://incubator.apache.org/adffaces/installation.html If you plan to use the release with Facelets (which is a very powerful combination), also have a look at this page: http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Facelets_with_Trinidad Now you should be ready to go! Have fun with it! Chris Gerald Müllan [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 13.09.2006 15:03:01: Hi, i could not find any builds to download, think you have to build them on your own via maven after a fresh svn checkout. But this should not take that much time. Checkout trinidad website for this: http://incubator.apache.org/adffaces/ regards, Gerald On 9/13/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gerald Thank you for your fast answer. Do I have to download from the Oracle Website or do I have to checkout from den SVN Repository? Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gerald Müllan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 14:38 An: MyFaces Discussion Betreff: Re: Start project? Hi, at the moment, the best way not to run into any problems is to use tomahawk and/or sandbox (this combination can be used without any problems) OR apache trinidad (former called ADF Faces). We are working on getting these two worlds collaborate well, but at the moment it is not that quite stable. cheers, Gerald On 9/13/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hy Everyone I'm new to the Mailling List and I have two very easy questions, until I'm a little bit confused about Tomahawk, ADF Faces from Oracle and Sandbox: What is at the moment the best way to start a project? Should I use the ADF Faces from Oracle an Myfaces together? Or instead of ADF Faces from Oracle, Tomahawk and/or Sandbox? Can someone explain me? I think the ADF Faces should be merged ord not? regards Matthias -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: Start project?
On 9/13/06, Mosimann Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to the Mailling List and I have two very easy questions, until I'm a little bit confused about Tomahawk, ADF Faces from Oracle and Sandbox: What is at the moment the best way to start a project? Should I use the ADF Faces from Oracle an Myfaces together? Or instead of ADF Faces from Oracle, Tomahawk and/or Sandbox? I'd recommend you start with only MyFaces Core. Don't add in Tomahawk, Tomahawk Sandbox, Trinidad (or ADFFaces), Tobago, or Jenia4Faces until you need them. Alternately, determine what you want your user interface to look like, and see which of the libraries provide the (most) components you need. Jenia4Faces, Tomahawk, and Tomahawk sandbox can be used with any standard component library set. Tobago cannot be used with any other rendering component set. However, it's worth evaluating Tobago for its layout and skinning features, and it may already do everything you need. Trinidad also has some restrictions on what other rendering components you can use with it, but they are far less restrictive than Tobago. Some of those restrictions will also be addressed and removed as time goes by.
Re: Start project?
Christoph Lassner schrieb: Yes, it is possible, but connected to quite some bits of work (because u have to use other components, etc.). You should have a closer look at the components you need and then decide for a framework. However, like I said, if you really want to change your framework in some time, it will be possible. Regards Chris Besides that there is an ongoing work to reduce the incompatibilities between the two codebases, in most cases it now should be possible to mix both component sets without too much problems. But you have to go for the nightly builds to be fully able to do it, the last stable versions still had major issues, which have been cleared up a few weeks ago.
AW: Re: Start project?
Hi everyone I hope I don't bother you. So what is then you prefered development envirement? Eclipse don't have any support ... well it has but it is not working correct and the plugin is still in development. I'm interested using eclipse anyway. Should I start simply with a dynamic web project? Regards Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Werner Punz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 18:00 An: users@myfaces.apache.org Betreff: Re: Start project? Christoph Lassner schrieb: Yes, it is possible, but connected to quite some bits of work (because u have to use other components, etc.). You should have a closer look at the components you need and then decide for a framework. However, like I said, if you really want to change your framework in some time, it will be possible. Regards Chris Besides that there is an ongoing work to reduce the incompatibilities between the two codebases, in most cases it now should be possible to mix both component sets without too much problems. But you have to go for the nightly builds to be fully able to do it, the last stable versions still had major issues, which have been cleared up a few weeks ago.
