Re: Where are settings and modules?

[Jack Woehr]

Well, I'll take a look at the problem, which is really an enhancement
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-747

SoftWoehr LLC 
Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> We all are the maintainers, together.
>
> Over time, I'm sure different groups will be established within Apache
> NetBeans to focus on different clusters of features (e.g., a group
> dedicated to PHP, a group dedicated to JavaScript, etc). But, for right
> now, whoever can fix an issue should simply fix it.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>
>> BTW, who is the CSS editor maintainer?
>>
>> SoftWoehr LLC 
>> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>>
>>> Just filed against CSS editor and hope to understand the code in my
>>> "Copious Spare Time" as we say ;)
>>>
>>> SoftWoehr LLC 
>>> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
 Great, and hope you'll be willing/able to provide pull requests for
 issues you file, and get involved in other ways also on the code
 contribution level.

 Gj

 On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:

> Thanks, I made the zip and unpacked it in /usr/local/ so I am all
> up-to-date in the dev branch.
>
> Have loaded my open source projects and tested some:
>
> pigiron
> piglet
> ublu
> fiji
>
> and all seems to be well.
>
> Thanks for getting this lovely new incarnation of NetBeans up and
> running!
>
> I started with Xelfi ... :)
>
>
> SoftWoehr LLC 
> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, was going to respond, but too many other things came up. :-)
>>
>> Also note that you have the whole installation directory in
>> 'nbbuild/netbeans', so you don't have to use 'ant tryme' necessarily at 
>> all.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:48 PM, softwo...@gmail.com <
>> softwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018/08/07 05:43:52, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>>> > I just built and have run 9.0 dev branch via ant tryme.
>>> >
>>> > All my settings are saved nicely ... but where?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> D'oh, found em ... tryme uses nbbuild/testdir ... :)
>>>
>>> 
>>> -
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org
>>>
>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: Where are settings and modules?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

We all are the maintainers, together.

Over time, I'm sure different groups will be established within Apache
NetBeans to focus on different clusters of features (e.g., a group
dedicated to PHP, a group dedicated to JavaScript, etc). But, for right
now, whoever can fix an issue should simply fix it.

Gj


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:

> BTW, who is the CSS editor maintainer?
>
> SoftWoehr LLC 
> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>
>> Just filed against CSS editor and hope to understand the code in my
>> "Copious Spare Time" as we say ;)
>>
>> SoftWoehr LLC 
>> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Great, and hope you'll be willing/able to provide pull requests for
>>> issues you file, and get involved in other ways also on the code
>>> contribution level.
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, I made the zip and unpacked it in /usr/local/ so I am all
 up-to-date in the dev branch.

 Have loaded my open source projects and tested some:

 pigiron
 piglet
 ublu
 fiji

 and all seems to be well.

 Thanks for getting this lovely new incarnation of NetBeans up and
 running!

 I started with Xelfi ... :)


 SoftWoehr LLC 
 Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software

 On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
 geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Sorry, was going to respond, but too many other things came up. :-)
>
> Also note that you have the whole installation directory in
> 'nbbuild/netbeans', so you don't have to use 'ant tryme' necessarily at 
> all.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:48 PM, softwo...@gmail.com <
> softwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2018/08/07 05:43:52, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>> > I just built and have run 9.0 dev branch via ant tryme.
>> >
>> > All my settings are saved nicely ... but where?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> D'oh, found em ... tryme uses nbbuild/testdir ... :)
>>
>> -
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org
>>
>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: Where are settings and modules?

[Jack Woehr]

BTW, who is the CSS editor maintainer?

SoftWoehr LLC 
Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:

> Just filed against CSS editor and hope to understand the code in my
> "Copious Spare Time" as we say ;)
>
> SoftWoehr LLC 
> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Great, and hope you'll be willing/able to provide pull requests for
>> issues you file, and get involved in other ways also on the code
>> contribution level.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I made the zip and unpacked it in /usr/local/ so I am all
>>> up-to-date in the dev branch.
>>>
>>> Have loaded my open source projects and tested some:
>>>
>>> pigiron
>>> piglet
>>> ublu
>>> fiji
>>>
>>> and all seems to be well.
>>>
>>> Thanks for getting this lovely new incarnation of NetBeans up and
>>> running!
>>>
>>> I started with Xelfi ... :)
>>>
>>>
>>> SoftWoehr LLC 
>>> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, was going to respond, but too many other things came up. :-)

 Also note that you have the whole installation directory in
 'nbbuild/netbeans', so you don't have to use 'ant tryme' necessarily at 
 all.

 Gj

 On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:48 PM, softwo...@gmail.com <
 softwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 2018/08/07 05:43:52, Jack Woehr  wrote:
> > I just built and have run 9.0 dev branch via ant tryme.
> >
> > All my settings are saved nicely ... but where?
> >
> >
>
> D'oh, found em ... tryme uses nbbuild/testdir ... :)
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org
>
> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: Virtual Apache NetBeans Meetups

[Josh Juneau]

Excellent information...thanks for posting the audio.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:53 AM constantin drabo 
wrote:

> Thank you
>
> Constantin
>
> ?? La Terre est le berceau de l'humanit??, mais on ne passe pas sa vie
> enti??re dans un berceau. ??
> - ConstantinE. Tsiolkovski , p??re de l'astronautique?? et de
> l'a??rospatiale modernes.
> --
> *De :* Geertjan Wielenga 
> *Envoyé :* mardi 7 août 2018 01:03
> *À :* us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> *Objet :* Re: Virtual Apache NetBeans Meetups
>
> Here's the audio, there were about 10 people in attendance:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibK6A8CzYs
>
> It was really quite nice, thanks for all who attended, and here's how to
> sign up for the next ones:
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7
>
> The idea is for each meeting to be an hour in length.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> In half an hour from now, the first of the virtual meetups will take
> place:
>
> Agenda:
>
> 1. Apache NetBeans status, roadmap, and release cycle.
> 2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
> 3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.
>
> Feel free to sign up so we know who'll be there:
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7
>
> Meeting location:
>
> https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, definitely.
>
> Also note, according to the Apache rules, no decisions can be made outside
> the mailing lists. So, these meetups are just to implement decisions that
> have already been made, to assign/receive tasks within the project (e.g.,
> related to the 2nd donation integration) and to discuss/help with various
> loose ends, not to make any decisions of any kind.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Josh Juneau  wrote:
>
> Hi Geertjan,
>
> Can these virtual meetings be recorded for those who will be unable to
> attend at that time?
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau...@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
> On Aug 4, 2018, at 4:28 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Quite some discussions here on Apache mailing lists take a very long time
> and tend to become quite exhausting.
>
> A solution might be to have occasional structured virtual meetups.
>
> Over the next weeks, how about we have a meeting every Tuesday 12:00 CEST.
> Yes, that'll exclude a part of the world, but let's see how these go for
> the moment, and then go from there.
>
> An agenda:
>
> 1. Apache NetBeans Roadmap and release cycle.
> 2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
> 3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.
>
> Feel free to pop into this, to give an idea of how many will attend, it
> would be great if you'd sign up here:
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7
>
> The meeting itself will take place here, the first next week Tuesday, 7
> August, 12:00 CEST:
>
> https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
> --
Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866

Re: Where are settings and modules?

[Jack Woehr]

Just filed against CSS editor and hope to understand the code in my
"Copious Spare Time" as we say ;)

SoftWoehr LLC 
Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Great, and hope you'll be willing/able to provide pull requests for issues
> you file, and get involved in other ways also on the code contribution
> level.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I made the zip and unpacked it in /usr/local/ so I am all
>> up-to-date in the dev branch.
>>
>> Have loaded my open source projects and tested some:
>>
>> pigiron
>> piglet
>> ublu
>> fiji
>>
>> and all seems to be well.
>>
>> Thanks for getting this lovely new incarnation of NetBeans up and running!
>>
>> I started with Xelfi ... :)
>>
>>
>> SoftWoehr LLC 
>> Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, was going to respond, but too many other things came up. :-)
>>>
>>> Also note that you have the whole installation directory in
>>> 'nbbuild/netbeans', so you don't have to use 'ant tryme' necessarily at all.
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:48 PM, softwo...@gmail.com >> > wrote:
>>>


 On 2018/08/07 05:43:52, Jack Woehr  wrote:
 > I just built and have run 9.0 dev branch via ant tryme.
 >
 > All my settings are saved nicely ... but where?
 >
 >

 D'oh, found em ... tryme uses nbbuild/testdir ... :)

 -
 To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org
 For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org

 For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists


>>>
>>
>

Re: Plug-in support and compatibility suggestion

[Will Hartung]

I mis-replied this before, so resending it.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Emilian Bold  wrote:

> Beansbinding can be brought back easily. We have the existing code
> service-based, we only have to put the GPL w/ CPE plugin somewhere online
> and suggest it to users, just like we suggest nb-javac.
>

Well, that's an interesting point.

Now, I don't know, but I don't think there can be an "official" Apache
point for distribution of GPL and other non-APL code, right?

But there could be some semi-official "Friends of Netbeans" place that
would be "friendly" to things like that and would be a sane default for
Netbeans to go and fetch things from.

Re: Plug-in support and compatibility suggestion

[Emilian Bold]

Beansbinding can be brought back easily. We have the existing code 
service-based, we only have to put the GPL w/ CPE plugin somewhere online and 
suggest it to users, just like we suggest nb-javac.

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On 7 August 2018 6:56 PM, Oliver Rettig  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  
>
> Can we establish a page in the wiki with the problematic libraries:
>
>  
>
> org.jdesktop.beansbinding
>
> org.jdesktop.swingx
>
> javahelp
>
>  
>
> Are there others?
>
>  
>
> What is to do? How can the functionality in the first two be substituted?
>
>  
>
> What can we do to substitute javahelp.
>
>  
>
> best regards
>
> Oliver
>
> > The owner is Oracle. And the JSR for BeansBinding is dead.
>
> >
>
> > And that is not my point — my point is that any plugin using that JAR needs
>
> > to be rewritten to not use it.
>
> >
>
> > Gj
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Friday, August 3, 2018, Boris Heithecker 
>
> >
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > does anybody know who's the owner of org.jdesktop.beansbinding? Whom
>
> > > should I contact? Is the license really GPL, or LGPL? Same question
>
> > > applies to org.jdesktop.swingx: GPL oder LGPL? Who's the owner?
>
> > > Havn't found any robust information about these libraries so far.
>
> > > Am I allowed to ship them with my platform application?
>
> > > Boris
>
> > >
>
> > > 2018-08-03 9:59 GMT+02:00 Geertjan Wielenga
>
> > >
>
> > > :
>
> > > > And the solution is to get hold of the owners of the plugins that do not
>
> > > > work with 9.0 and ask them/work with them to make them compatible with
>
> > >
>
> > > 9.0.
>
> > >
>
> > > > Gj
>
> > > >
>
> > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
>
> > > >
>
> > > >  wrote:
>
> > > >> The problems are a bit more complex than how you describe them, in the
>
> > > >> case of Apache NetBeans.
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> Take for example 'org.jdesktop.beansbinding'.
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> This is a library that has been part of NetBeans for many years. And
>
> > >
>
> > > it's
>
> > >
>
> > > >> been used by a variety of plugins as well, such as some of those you
>
> > >
>
> > > seem to
>
> > >
>
> > > >> be trying to install.
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> However, the licensing of that library is GPL. The Apache Software
>
> > > >> Foundation does not allow Apache projects to distribute GPL-based
>
> > >
>
> > > libraries.
>
> > >
>
> > > >> So, we had to remove it from Apache NetBeans.
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> And now some of the plugins that rely on that library will not work.
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> There are other similar cases, though not too many. Another example is
>
> > > >> Hibernate (http://hibernate.org/community/license), which had to be
>
> > >
>
> > > removed
>
> > >
>
> > > >> in order for Apache NetBeans to be acceptable to the Apache Software
>
> > > >> Foundation.
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> Hope this gives some insights,
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> Gj
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:49 AM, * William 
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Hello all...
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> I have an interesting general for platforms supporting: extras,
>
> > > >>> macros,
>
> > > >>> add-ons, plug-ins, extensions, themes, what have you. For this post,
>
> > >
>
> > > I'll
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> jsut use "plug-in" as a generic term meaning all things you can
>
> > >
>
> > > add/theme,
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> etc.
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> use-case:
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> I've faced the same situation on many platforms, across many
>
> > > >>> release-cycles, and over many years. Some identifable examples
>
> > > >>> include
>
> > > >>> Netbeans, Firefox (since v5), Chrome, Eclipse, even application tools
>
> > >
>
> > > Excel,
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> Word and OpenOffice/LibreOffice, etc.
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> Almost with out exception, when new releases comes-out I as an
>
> > > >>> end-user
>
> > > >>> loose functionality when the "plug-in" version no longer matches or if
>
> > >
>
> > > the
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> model changes. Last year Firefox changed the whole plug-in interface
>
> > >
>
> > > and I
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> lost every day productivity because things aI had a habit of using
>
> > >
>
> > > were no
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> longer "present" or compatible.
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> I am sure you are familiar with the feeling when your favoured tool or
>
> > > >>> add-on is no longer there? An example to talk to is this: the
>
> > >
>
> > > Netbeans RC
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> and Beta both happily supported the plugin QuickOpener during my
>
> > >
>
> > > various
>
> > >
>
> > > >>> opportunities to trial these two pre-release candidates.
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> Alas, Netbeans release 9 does not. I'm sure there are reasons. I'm
>
> > > >>> taling to two points.
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> Capability -- Evidently Netbeans as RC1 can support QuickOpener (it is
>
> > > >>> feasible and practical)
>
> > > >>> Usability -- Those features that I may use 4 or 24 times a day are now
>
> > > >>> gone.
>
> > > >>>
>
> > > >>> 

Re: Plug-in support and compatibility suggestion

[Oliver Rettig]

Hi, 

Can we establish a page in the wiki with the problematic libraries:

org.jdesktop.beansbinding
org.jdesktop.swingx
javahelp

Are there others?

What is to do? How can the functionality in the first two be substituted?

What can we do to substitute javahelp.

best regards
Oliver
> The owner is Oracle. And the JSR for BeansBinding is dead.
> 
> And that is not my point — my point is that any plugin using that JAR needs
> to be rewritten to not use it.
> 
> Gj
> 
> 
> On Friday, August 3, 2018, Boris Heithecker 
> 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > does anybody know who's the owner of org.jdesktop.beansbinding? Whom
> > should I contact? Is the license really GPL, or LGPL? Same question
> > applies to org.jdesktop.swingx: GPL oder LGPL? Who's the owner?
> > Havn't found any robust information about these libraries so far.
> > Am I allowed to ship them with my platform application?
> > Boris
> > 
> > 2018-08-03 9:59 GMT+02:00 Geertjan Wielenga
> > 
> > :
> > > And the solution is to get hold of the owners of the plugins that do not
> > > work with 9.0 and ask them/work with them to make them compatible with
> > 
> > 9.0.
> > 
> > > Gj
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
> > > 
> > >  wrote:
> > >> The problems are a bit more complex than how you describe them, in the
> > >> case of Apache NetBeans.
> > >> 
> > >> Take for example 'org.jdesktop.beansbinding'.
> > >> 
> > >> This is a library that has been part of NetBeans for many years. And
> > 
> > it's
> > 
> > >> been used by a variety of plugins as well, such as some of those you
> > 
> > seem to
> > 
> > >> be trying to install.
> > >> 
> > >> However, the licensing of that library is GPL. The Apache Software
> > >> Foundation does not allow Apache projects to distribute GPL-based
> > 
> > libraries.
> > 
> > >> So, we had to remove it from Apache NetBeans.
> > >> 
> > >> And now some of the plugins that rely on that library will not work.
> > >> 
> > >> There are other similar cases, though not too many. Another example is
> > >> Hibernate (http://hibernate.org/community/license), which had to be
> > 

Re: Where are settings and modules?

[Jack Woehr]

Thanks, I made the zip and unpacked it in /usr/local/ so I am all
up-to-date in the dev branch.

Have loaded my open source projects and tested some:

pigiron
piglet
ublu
fiji

and all seems to be well.

Thanks for getting this lovely new incarnation of NetBeans up and running!

I started with Xelfi ... :)


SoftWoehr LLC 
Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Sorry, was going to respond, but too many other things came up. :-)
>
> Also note that you have the whole installation directory in
> 'nbbuild/netbeans', so you don't have to use 'ant tryme' necessarily at all.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:48 PM, softwo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2018/08/07 05:43:52, Jack Woehr  wrote:
>> > I just built and have run 9.0 dev branch via ant tryme.
>> >
>> > All my settings are saved nicely ... but where?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> D'oh, found em ... tryme uses nbbuild/testdir ... :)
>>
>> -
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org
>>
>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>
>>
>

Re: Where are settings and modules?

[softwoehr]

On 2018/08/07 05:43:52, Jack Woehr  wrote: 
> I just built and have run 9.0 dev branch via ant tryme.
> 
> All my settings are saved nicely ... but where?
> 
>

D'oh, found em ... tryme uses nbbuild/testdir ... :)

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org

For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists

RE: Virtual Apache NetBeans Meetups

[constantin drabo]

Thank you

Constantin

?? La Terre est le berceau de l'humanit??, mais on ne passe pas sa vie enti??re 
dans un berceau. ??
- ConstantinE. Tsiolkovski , p??re de l'astronautique?? et de 
l'a??rospatiale modernes.

De : Geertjan Wielenga 
Envoyé : mardi 7 août 2018 01:03
À : us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Objet : Re: Virtual Apache NetBeans Meetups

Here's the audio, there were about 10 people in attendance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibK6A8CzYs

It was really quite nice, thanks for all who attended, and here's how to sign 
up for the next ones:

https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7

The idea is for each meeting to be an hour in length.

Thanks all!

Gj


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>> 
wrote:
In half an hour from now, the first of the virtual meetups will take place:

Agenda:

1. Apache NetBeans status, roadmap, and release cycle.
2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.

Feel free to sign up so we know who'll be there:

https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7

Meeting location:

https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1

Thanks,

Gj






On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>> 
wrote:
Yes, definitely.

Also note, according to the Apache rules, no decisions can be made outside the 
mailing lists. So, these meetups are just to implement decisions that have 
already been made, to assign/receive tasks within the project (e.g., related to 
the 2nd donation integration) and to discuss/help with various loose ends, not 
to make any decisions of any kind.

Gj


On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Josh Juneau 
mailto:juneau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Geertjan,

Can these virtual meetings be recorded for those who will be unable to attend 
at that time?

Thanks

Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866

On Aug 4, 2018, at 4:28 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID>>
 wrote:

Hi all,

Quite some discussions here on Apache mailing lists take a very long time and 
tend to become quite exhausting.

A solution might be to have occasional structured virtual meetups.

Over the next weeks, how about we have a meeting every Tuesday 12:00 CEST. Yes, 
that'll exclude a part of the world, but let's see how these go for the moment, 
and then go from there.

An agenda:

1. Apache NetBeans Roadmap and release cycle.
2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.

Feel free to pop into this, to give an idea of how many will attend, it would 
be great if you'd sign up here:

https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7

The meeting itself will take place here, the first next week Tuesday, 7 August, 
12:00 CEST:

https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1

Thanks,

Gj

Re: Virtual Apache NetBeans Meetups

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Here's the audio, there were about 10 people in attendance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibK6A8CzYs

It was really quite nice, thanks for all who attended, and here's how to
sign up for the next ones:

https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7

The idea is for each meeting to be an hour in length.

Thanks all!

Gj


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> In half an hour from now, the first of the virtual meetups will take place:
>
> Agenda:
>
> 1. Apache NetBeans status, roadmap, and release cycle.
> 2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
> 3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.
>
> Feel free to sign up so we know who'll be there:
>
> https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7
>
> Meeting location:
>
> https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, definitely.
>>
>> Also note, according to the Apache rules, no decisions can be made
>> outside the mailing lists. So, these meetups are just to implement
>> decisions that have already been made, to assign/receive tasks within the
>> project (e.g., related to the 2nd donation integration) and to discuss/help
>> with various loose ends, not to make any decisions of any kind.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Josh Juneau  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Geertjan,
>>>
>>> Can these virtual meetings be recorded for those who will be unable to
>>> attend at that time?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Josh Juneau
>>> juneau...@gmail.com
>>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 4:28 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Quite some discussions here on Apache mailing lists take a very long
>>> time and tend to become quite exhausting.
>>>
>>> A solution might be to have occasional structured virtual meetups.
>>>
>>> Over the next weeks, how about we have a meeting every Tuesday 12:00
>>> CEST. Yes, that'll exclude a part of the world, but let's see how these go
>>> for the moment, and then go from there.
>>>
>>> An agenda:
>>>
>>> 1. Apache NetBeans Roadmap and release cycle.
>>> 2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
>>> 3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.
>>>
>>> Feel free to pop into this, to give an idea of how many will attend, it
>>> would be great if you'd sign up here:
>>>
>>> https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7
>>>
>>> The meeting itself will take place here, the first next week Tuesday, 7
>>> August, 12:00 CEST:
>>>
>>> https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Virtual Apache NetBeans Meetups

[Geertjan Wielenga]

In half an hour from now, the first of the virtual meetups will take place:

Agenda:

1. Apache NetBeans status, roadmap, and release cycle.
2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.

Feel free to sign up so we know who'll be there:

https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7

Meeting location:

https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1

Thanks,

Gj






On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Yes, definitely.
>
> Also note, according to the Apache rules, no decisions can be made outside
> the mailing lists. So, these meetups are just to implement decisions that
> have already been made, to assign/receive tasks within the project (e.g.,
> related to the 2nd donation integration) and to discuss/help with various
> loose ends, not to make any decisions of any kind.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Josh Juneau  wrote:
>
>> Hi Geertjan,
>>
>> Can these virtual meetings be recorded for those who will be unable to
>> attend at that time?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> juneau...@gmail.com
>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 4:28 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Quite some discussions here on Apache mailing lists take a very long time
>> and tend to become quite exhausting.
>>
>> A solution might be to have occasional structured virtual meetups.
>>
>> Over the next weeks, how about we have a meeting every Tuesday 12:00
>> CEST. Yes, that'll exclude a part of the world, but let's see how these go
>> for the moment, and then go from there.
>>
>> An agenda:
>>
>> 1. Apache NetBeans Roadmap and release cycle.
>> 2. 2nd donation and work that needs to be done in this area.
>> 3. Open questions on anything not working for you, issues, etc.
>>
>> Feel free to pop into this, to give an idea of how many will attend, it
>> would be great if you'd sign up here:
>>
>> https://doodle.com/poll/xueimbynzam7sri7
>>
>> The meeting itself will take place here, the first next week Tuesday, 7
>> August, 12:00 CEST:
>>
>> https://meet.jit.si/ApacheNetBeansMeeting1
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>

Re: Plug-in support and compatibility suggestion

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I see two QuickOpener plugins:

http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/43217/quickopener
http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/62668/quickopener

Which of these, or another one, is being referred to in this thread? To fix
the problem described in the thread, send a PR to the GitHub repo of the
plugin you're using and remove BeansBinding JAR from it.

Happy to do it myself, just tell me which plugin you're referring to in
this thread.

Gj


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Not sure I understand fully, but isn't what you describe already the case?
> Backward compatibility is one of the key aspects of NetBeans going many
> years back now.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:58 AM, * William 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you Geertjan,
>>
>> I understand the licienseing point -- Yes in that specific case, yes the
>> plugin needs to be compatible.
>>
>> I am unconcerned about specific missing plugins.  I had hoped my point
>> was clear enough as this is something that applies to a Great Many products
>> that use "plug-in" and "add-on" mechanisms.
>>
>> I feel that products in general should provide  'useability' support for
>> compliant and compatible plug-ins that work from the previous version.
>>
>> In the case of Netbeans as on specific example, v9.0 *would* permit
>> support for v8.2 plugins.
>>
>> And only the ones that work/are compatible and compliant with the
>> licensing and infrastructiure/platform changes.
>>
>> I really think that would be a big plus for any platform/product.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 August 2018 at 17:57, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The problems are a bit more complex than how you describe them, in the
>>> case of Apache NetBeans.
>>>
>>> Take for example 'org.jdesktop.beansbinding'.
>>>
>>> This is a library that has been part of NetBeans for many years. And
>>> it's been used by a variety of plugins as well, such as some of those you
>>> seem to be trying to install.
>>>
>>> However, the licensing of that library is GPL. The Apache Software
>>> Foundation does not allow Apache projects to distribute GPL-based libraries.
>>>
>>> So, we had to remove it from Apache NetBeans.
>>>
>>> And now some of the plugins that rely on that library will not work.
>>>
>>> There are other similar cases, though not too many. Another example is
>>> Hibernate (http://hibernate.org/community/license), which had to be
>>> removed in order for Apache NetBeans to be acceptable to the Apache
>>> Software Foundation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Plug-in support and compatibility suggestion

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Not sure I understand fully, but isn't what you describe already the case?
Backward compatibility is one of the key aspects of NetBeans going many
years back now.

Gj

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:58 AM, * William 
wrote:

>
> Thank you Geertjan,
>
> I understand the licienseing point -- Yes in that specific case, yes the
> plugin needs to be compatible.
>
> I am unconcerned about specific missing plugins.  I had hoped my point was
> clear enough as this is something that applies to a Great Many products
> that use "plug-in" and "add-on" mechanisms.
>
> I feel that products in general should provide  'useability' support for
> compliant and compatible plug-ins that work from the previous version.
>
> In the case of Netbeans as on specific example, v9.0 *would* permit
> support for v8.2 plugins.
>
> And only the ones that work/are compatible and compliant with the
> licensing and infrastructiure/platform changes.
>
> I really think that would be a big plus for any platform/product.
>
>
>
> On 3 August 2018 at 17:57, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The problems are a bit more complex than how you describe them, in the
>> case of Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> Take for example 'org.jdesktop.beansbinding'.
>>
>> This is a library that has been part of NetBeans for many years. And it's
>> been used by a variety of plugins as well, such as some of those you seem
>> to be trying to install.
>>
>> However, the licensing of that library is GPL. The Apache Software
>> Foundation does not allow Apache projects to distribute GPL-based libraries.
>>
>> So, we had to remove it from Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> And now some of the plugins that rely on that library will not work.
>>
>> There are other similar cases, though not too many. Another example is
>> Hibernate (http://hibernate.org/community/license), which had to be
>> removed in order for Apache NetBeans to be acceptable to the Apache
>> Software Foundation.
>>
>>
>

Re: Netbeans and Jenkins

[Dell Green]

Hi Peter,

We have hundreds of jobs and historically had some sharp edges when
trying to build with netbeans xml/ant on Jenkins.

Many years ago we finally made the decision to use Netbeans stock
xml/ant for just the IDE and have gradle build files in the job
repository to build on our Jenkins. This allowed us to keep the
development environment fast and featureful, whilst keeping our business
domain logic and automation conceptually separate.

This does however give you an overhead of 2 tool sets, which is not for
everyone, however in reality at scale has proved to be great for us,
especially as at the time of writing there were IDE UI features with
ant/xml that our team of developers used, that were absent from maven
and gradle plugins at the time (things may of moved on now).

Obviously Netbeans itself is built with Ant and built on automated build
systems, so i bet there are some clever people on this mailing list that
will have plenty of tips.

If you could outline the exact issue you are having, with any error
stacktraces or messages then I'm sure the community will be able to help. :)




  
  
 
 
  
 
Dell Green 
  
Software Manager 
  

  
t +44 20 3668 9870 
  
ideaworks.co.uk 
  
  
 
 

  
  

  

  This email and any files 
  transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of 
  the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the 
  intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the email to 
  the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in 
  error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of 
  this email is strictly prohibited. Any views or opinions presented are 
  solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of 
  Ideaworks Limited. Ideaworks (London) Limited, 206 Great Portland Street, 
  London, W1W 5QJ. Company Registration No. 3943726 




On 05/08/18 18:50, Peter L. Berghold wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>
> Let me introduce myself first.   Been a programmer since 1972 in one
> fashion or another in languages ranging from Dartmouth BASIC to
> assemblber, C, C++, Java, PASCAL, FORTRAN, and more recently Ruby and
> Perl.  (Actually Perl since 1999 or thereabouts) 
>
> I think that eliminates me from the ranks of noobs. :-) 
>
> In spite of that experience there is one goal I have yet to attain that
> is driving me crazy.  I'm probably overlooking something obvious (I
> seem to solve the complicated and miss the simple) so I won't be
> surprised there if it happens.
>
> I'd like to use my Jenkins server to build/test and deploy my
> applications to their respective web containers when I check changes
> into BitBucket.  I can't seem to get past getting Ant to run smoothly
> against the build.xml generated by Netbeans.
>
> Web searches?  There seems to be all sorts of folks that have written
> how-tos on the subject and none of them seem to work.  Again I might be
> missing something here. 
>
> Anybody out there actually get this to work that can point to to a "how
> to" that actually works?
>
>
>

Fwd: Plug-in support and compatibility suggestion

[* William]

Thank you Geertjan,

I understand the licienseing point -- Yes in that specific case, yes the
plugin needs to be compatible.

I am unconcerned about specific missing plugins.  I had hoped my point was
clear enough as this is something that applies to a Great Many products
that use "plug-in" and "add-on" mechanisms.

I feel that products in general should provide  'useability' support for
compliant and compatible plug-ins that work from the previous version.

In the case of Netbeans as on specific example, v9.0 *would* permit support
for v8.2 plugins.

And only the ones that work/are compatible and compliant with the licensing
and infrastructiure/platform changes.

I really think that would be a big plus for any platform/product.



On 3 August 2018 at 17:57, Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:

> The problems are a bit more complex than how you describe them, in the
> case of Apache NetBeans.
>
> Take for example 'org.jdesktop.beansbinding'.
>
> This is a library that has been part of NetBeans for many years. And it's
> been used by a variety of plugins as well, such as some of those you seem
> to be trying to install.
>
> However, the licensing of that library is GPL. The Apache Software
> Foundation does not allow Apache projects to distribute GPL-based libraries.
>
> So, we had to remove it from Apache NetBeans.
>
> And now some of the plugins that rely on that library will not work.
>
> There are other similar cases, though not too many. Another example is
> Hibernate (http://hibernate.org/community/license), which had to be
> removed in order for Apache NetBeans to be acceptable to the Apache
> Software Foundation.
>
>