Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Glad to help. Your experience may help explain why others have difficulty unsubscribing from the AOO users list. Virgil From: MIKE LISH Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:42 AM To: Virgil Arrington Subject: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) Thanks Virgil for your response, I have just received a GOODBYE email from Aoo after having copied/pasted the full user/unsubscribe address into a new email request, so C'est fini Regards, Mike Lish On 28 September 2013 13:53, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: The way your emails appeared on my system, only a portion of the email addresses were highlighted and underlined. That meant that when you clicked on the address link, only a portion of the entire email address was getting picked up and put into the reply email address box. Virgil From: MIKE LISH Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:02 PM To: Virgil Arrington Subject: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) I've copied and pasted : users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish=mailto:users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish=gmail@openoffice.apache.org and it seems to have been sent. There must be something wrong with the link sent to me. Regards Mike Lish On 27 September 2013 20:48, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Now it looks like you’re only getting the *first* line of the two line email address. If I were you, I would just try typing in the entire email address manually (ignore any underlining or highlighting): users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish=gmail@openoffice.apache.org If that doesn’t work, then I’m at a loss. Virgil From: MIKE LISH Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:29 AM To: Virgil Arrington Subject: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) This is the message (below) I get when attempting to send my request to the suggested user/unsubscribe address. This really has become a disproportionately time consuming, and frustrating effort for such a simple task! Error The address :users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish= in the To field was not recognised. Please make sure that all addresses are properly formed. OK On 27 September 2013 13:01, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Mike wrote: Hi Peter, I'm only acting on instructions sent to me (see below) : [snip] emell...@gmail.com removed from the users mailing list, please send a short reply to this address: users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish= gmail@openoffice.apache.org Usually, this happens when you just hit the reply button. If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the To: field of a new message. or click here: mailto:users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish= gmail@openoffice.apache.org Mike, I think the email address for you to respond to spans two lines beginning with. It appears as if you only picked up the second line as the email address to respond to. The entire address, without quotations marks, is: users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish=gmail@openoffice.apache.org Depending on your email account, what I just typed may appear on two lines, but it's all one email address. Make sure you put the entire email address in your email message, and I would think it would work. Virgil Virgil
Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Mike wrote: Hi Peter, I'm only acting on instructions sent to me (see below) : [snip] emell...@gmail.com removed from the users mailing list, please send a short reply to this address: users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish= gmail@openoffice.apache.org Usually, this happens when you just hit the reply button. If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the To: field of a new message. or click here: mailto:users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish= gmail@openoffice.apache.org Mike, I think the email address for you to respond to spans two lines beginning with. It appears as if you only picked up the second line as the email address to respond to. The entire address, without quotations marks, is: users-uc.1380133124.jclbmlenhilcfpnhgemc-emellish=gmail@openoffice.apache.org Depending on your email account, what I just typed may appear on two lines, but it's all one email address. Make sure you put the entire email address in your email message, and I would think it would work. Virgil Virgil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Version 4
Strange, but I didn't have to uninstall 3.4.1 first. They both remain on my computer. I'm running Win7. Virgil -Original Message- From: doug Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:26 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Version 4 Hey, Apache, congratulations! I just installed version 4.0 (after finding out the hard way that I had to UNinstall 3.4 first!) and I am impressed! You have imported most (all?) of the GUI from Symphony, and now your product is looking professional for a change! I haven't used it yet, so I hope that the trend continues into the actual use of the app. Nice going, guys! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Bug 119087] The hyphenation applications are not consistently correct per established dictionaries
Thank you so much. You seem to have found a simple fix for what has been a deal-killer bug. It's hard to believe that the answer was simply loading a US hyphenation dictionary rather than a British hyphenation dictionary. Virgil -Original Message- From: bugzi...@apache.org Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:17 PM To: cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: [Bug 119087] The hyphenation applications are not consistently correct per established dictionaries https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119087 --- Comment #16 from hanya hanya.r...@gmail.com --- To make testing easy the description in Comment 15, I made the following package[1]. [1] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91791736/dict-en_test.oxt This package does not overwrite your existing dictionary extension. 1. Disable existing English dictionary package in the extension manager. 2. Install the downloaded dict-en_test.oxt package. 3. Restart your office. The package contains the modified configuration and descriptions.xml file. -- You are receiving this mail because: You voted for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO-Members dont forget voting
On Friday July, 19, 2013, Rob Weir wrote: We've discussed AOO 4.0 many times, on the blog and in social media, and this has been covered in the press. Yes, we don't issue a press release every week or every time we change code indentation, like some other projects seem to do. But we do take care of major announcements. I think the pace of development is one reason for the better quality. I'd like to release more often as well, but I don't want to compromise on quality. But I think there is room for improvement here. And we are discussing having a public beta for AOO 4.1. I have complained on the LO user's list of its pace of releasing new versions. There are several to choose from at its download page, and the latest often contains bugs that had been fixed in earlier releases. It can be quite frustrating to download an update only to find a bug that you had thought was fixed. But... The slow pace of development at Apache is equally frustrating. AOO 3.4.1 is a nice program ... except for the inability of the U.S. English version to properly hyphenate words (See bug 119087). This bug has been around for years preventing the use of AOO for serious work in America when hyphenation is required. I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that it will be corrected in Ver. 4, but it has been frustrating to wait for Apache to release a new version until it gets everything right. Perhaps some sort of interim release fixing known and critical bugs could be made. Surely there can be some compromise between LO's torrid release pace and AOO's seemingly non-existent pace. Virgil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Codes
There *is* a reveal styles. It's in the Formatting Toolbar, where the style for the paragraph containing the cursor is clearly displayed. Press F11 and you'll get a list of all the available paragraph styles. Right click on any one of them, click Modify and you can see all of the formatting characteristics applying to that style. Make any formatting changes you want and they will apply to any paragraph having that particular style. As for other formatting parameters, you don't need a code to tell you that a word is in Boldface as it will appear in Boldface on the screen. Blue text will appear blue, and you won't need a code to tell that. Now, you may not know *why* the text is blue, but if you simply right click on the applied paragraph style in the style list, you can then change the character formatting to any color you want (the same as you would with direct formatting, just within the style itself). Once changed, all paragraphs having that paragraph style will automatically change to the new color. With WordPerfect, you'd have to go into each and every paragraph or column frame and manually change each one to the color you want. And, if you made a mistake in one of them, you'd end up with inconsistent formatting. Of course you could track it down with your reveal codes, but with styles, you wouldn't have to. It's not rocket science, but I'll agree that it is not intuitive to the typewriter model followed by WordPerfect. Let me give an example of the benefit of styles. Several years ago, my 14 year old son challenged himself to type a 50,000 word novel in November, which is National Novel Writers Month. He met his goal, and quickly dropped the project. As a proud papa, I wanted to put his document to paper. He wrote the original in WordPerfect, and it was a formatting mess, with stray tabs, carriage returns, and inconsistent formatting across chapter and section headings. Using WP's beloved reveal codes, I began the task of reformatting his 127 page novel. It didn't take long for me to realize it would take days and days to wade through all of the formatting codes inserted by WP. Instead, I saved the document as a plain text file, stripping all formatting. I then loaded it into LyX, which is a GUI LaTeX editor. LaTeX is the ultimate in styles-based document processing as there is no other way to do things. I applied the Part and Chapter styles, (called environments in LaTeX speak) to the part and chapter titles, and then inserted a fully formatted, numbered, and typed table of contents with a couple mouse clicks. I set NO page formatting parameters such as page margins, page numbering, etc., as those were handled entirely by the Book template (called document class). I then compiled the book and had a fully formatted novel, complete with Title page, Table of Contents, properly formatted right and left hand pages with fully formatted headers with page numbers, etc. The entire process took about a half hour. I surprised even myself. I could have done the same thing with OpenOffice's styles, but they're not quite as fully automatic as LyX/LaTeX, so it would have taken a bit longer, but not much. Yes, styles can be difficult to learn, much the same as learning a new cable TV remote control. But once learned, you'll appreciate all you can do with them, and you won't go back to the typewriter (or it's only begotten son, WordPerfect), just like I won't go back to rabbit ears for my TV. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tamblyne Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:29 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Codes Hi, Patricia -- Of course, you're going to be told -- and I can see that you already have -- that you're not doing it right. Use styles. Styles will, apparently, take care everything, including promote world peace, as well as fix all that's wrong with your document. Perhaps if we asked for reveal styles instead of reveal codes, we could get some progress on this issue. The View Non-printing characters doesn't help much unless what you're looking for is carriage returns/line-feeds, as far as I can tell. It certainly doesn't tell me what styles are being applied to any given portion of the document. And it doesn't show formatting codes, either. As an old WP user (and aren't we all, at this point?), I argued passionately for this enhancement long ago. The fact that we were blown off then, and still are, is the reason I don't volunteer my time to this project anymore. The response to use styles doesn't solve the problem -- that being that you can't tell where an applied style begins or ends when you have a problem. Wait until you get a horizontal line under all of your paragraphs that you can't get rid of. That's even more fun! :-D You can spend time playing Document Detective -- or just CTRL-Z out of it and come up with some other way to format your document the way YOU want to. As to your particular issue, this blue
Re: Codes
Wow, Doug, tell us how you really feel. ;) Like you, I was a WordPerfect devotee for many years as our employer used it. I bought a copy for my home computer and was very happy. Then, my employer switched to Word. We all freaked, thinking the world would end without our beloved reveal codes. My secretary even walked out of the office and didn't return for three days. It was not a happy time. I then started learning Word with its styles-based formatting. At about the same time, I downloaded what was then StarOffice and used it at home (I wasn’t about to pay several hundred dollars for Word). Over time, I learned how to use styles and now, with styles, I can make my programs sing and dance. I wouldn't dream of going back to WP. I still have it on my computer to read documents sent to me by others, and every time I load it, it looks like a techno-dinosaur. Reveal codes? Why? With a styles-based program, there are no codes to reveal. The fact that WP needs reveal codes shows how truly easy it is to screw things up in a WP document. You can change so many parameters in mid-paragraph, often by accident, and you can spend a lot of time trying to track it down. Not so with a styles-based program. Obviously, WP works for you, which is fine, but in my experience, I found that with styles, I can accomplish my work much, much faster, AND get consistent formatting results document wide, which is very important when you have a document with multiple headings and other specially formatted paragraphs. With WP, I not only had to proofread my text, but also my formatting to make sure it was consistent. Styles have set me free. Virgil -Original Message- From: Doug Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:22 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Codes On 06/20/2013 07:54 PM, Patricia Hickin wrote: Is there any way to reveal codes in OO (the way you can in WordPerfect)? We went thru this a couple of months ago. The short answer is NO! You have to use something they call styles, which will change your whole document, not just the particular framus you're trying to modify. They have done this quite deliberately, and have no intention of ever changing it. Probably in the styles there is something that will fix your problem, but I refuse to deal with it. I have WordPerfect on a Windows machine, and when I need to do serious writing, that's where I go. For slightly less serious writing, I use TextMaker on the Linux machine, from SoftMaker, which has both paid and free versions. I bought the paid version about 8 months ago. I don't use OO or LO. Not because of the styles problem. but because they are poor editing programs. And also, they are primitive compared to WP and TM. (But, I confess, for any serious work the styles problem would drive me shrieking away!) OO _may_ become more user-friendly; they promised a few months ago to incorporate much or most of IBM's Symphony, which at least is not primitive. Last I tried Symphony, however, it was full of bugs. (Symphony is a close cousin, anyway.) We'll see. . . . --doug I am having a problem with the following: I am preparing a list of books as follows: In a table of two columns, I insert an image of the book cover in the first (a narrow) column. In the 2nd column I put info about the book: title, author, publisher date. I have obtained the info from www.worldcat.org, compiled a list of the books, copied the list into Notepad to strip it of formatting. Next I copied the list into an OO text document and formatted it as follows: font Calibri color black title: 18 point bold italic author publishing info (two separate lines): 15 point regular. For some reason, OO is changing the color of the publishing info to blue. I change it to black. but when I save it the color switches to blue!! It is driving me crazy!!! Any ideas?? Thanks!! Pat -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Zooming in
I've had the zooming problem before, too, but only with LyX, not OO. I've noticed it happens when I drag my finger along the touchpad in just the right direction at just the right place. But, I've had a very hard time trying to duplicate it, and for whatever reason, it hasn't happened to me in a long time. I have a Sony Vaio with Win7. I've had other touchpad issues. I've found a few ways of dealing with them. 1. Before I do any typing, I place the mouse cursor in a benign part of the screen so that, if I brush the touchpad nothing will happen. Usually, I put it in a blank part of the menu. 2. You can disable the touchpad tapping feature by going into the Control Panel, Hardware and Settings, Mouse, Tapping. With tapping disabled, you'll have to actually click the touchpad buttons instead of just tapping the pad. It's a bit of a pain, but the trade off is that you don't get the unwanted tapping. While this may help with inadvertent tapping issues, I'm not sure will will help with the zooming, but I could be wrong. However, as others have said, I don't think it's an OO issue, but rather a system issue. Virgil -Original Message- From: Felmon Davis Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:12 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Zooming in On Wed, 8 May 2013, Dale Erwin wrote: I have the same problem. It used to be much worse, but I found a setting in the mouse/touchpad driver that disables the touchpad whenever another pointing device is plugged in. After bootup is complete, I now get a message on my desktop that the touchpad has been disabled. However, the mouse still does not behave very well. I can sit back and take my hands off the computer altogether and watch the cursor dance around all over the screen. Sometimes it's worse than at others, but it always does a little dancing. It's especially annoying when trying to place the pointer on a certain place and before I can click it moves away all on its own so I back it up and it jumps again. Sometimes it makes me want to scream. Mine's a Dell with Win 7 Home Prem. you don't say if you have researched the issue. I took a quick look online and one possibility among several is a driver conflict. another is a need for an updated driver (to be downloaded from the input manufacturer's website). were it me, I'd first update the drivers and see; then I'd go to device manager and stop a driver (e.g. wifi) and see what happens and repeat systematically to see if anything helps. but guess this is off-topic for this list; sure hope you find a solution. I wouldn't live with the situation. here is the first link I found on the matter http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/51501-cursor-jumps-all-over-screen-3.html (interestingly one person found it was a charger issue!) you might also search for the problem referencing your specific laptop model. probably others with the same problem and a fix. F. Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org On 5/7/2013 9:07 PM, Patricia Hickin wrote: My computer zooms in on OpenOffice (and other) screens without my telling it to. (I have a laptop with touchpad). I know it has something to do with the way I'm using my fingers on the touchpad but I can't quite figure out how to avoid it. Is there any way I can disable this feature? It drives me crazy. (It happens with other programs too.) Thanks, Pat - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Felmon Davis F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Logo Survey now Open!
Rob, Thank you for the opportunity to give input into the new logo. I just took the survey and, while I appreciated the opportunity to give comments on individual logos, I wanted to just give a general observation. Of all the logos I saw, only one had a serif typeface. I think the use of a classic serif typeface (Garamond, Linux Libertine, Goudy, etc.) might work well in the logo. Virgil -Original Message- From: Rob Weir Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:50 AM To: d...@openoffice.apache.org ; market...@openoffice.apache.org ; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Logo Survey now Open! The Apache OpenOffice project is planning a brand refresh for our next major release, Apache OpenOffice 4.0. As part of this effort we are looking to update our logo. We've received 40 proposals from community members and we would like your feedback on these designs. You can find the survey here: http://survey.openoffice.org/index.php/815178/ Thanks in advance for your participation and feedback. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 40 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
Downloads are easy to measure. Installations and removals aren't. Virgil -Original Message- From: Urmas Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 6:07 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: 40 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice 3.4. Yesterday we reached the 40 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice 3.4. Note how the most useless stat was selected. No one is going to make what is really matter public, like (the number of new installations – the number of removals). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Warning from users@openoffice.apache.org
I routinely get warnings that posters to the Openoffice users list are suspicious. Virgil -Original Message- From: Alexandro Colorado Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:05 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org ; scoo...@scootersdesk.com Subject: Re: Warning from users@openoffice.apache.org On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Scooter scoo...@scootersdesk.com wrote: ONE bounce message (#4276) and I get a warning? I've gotten dozens of emails from the group. What gives? Lists have been behaving oddly this past few weeks. Take Care. Scooter College Park, MD USA -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
A Tale of Two Office Suites
I may be way out of line here, but I’m sending this post to the user lists for both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice. I have both programs on my computer and regularly use both. Like many of you out there, I have subscribed to both user lists. I don’t know the full history behind the Libre/Oracle split, but from what I have read on various forums and lists, there is considerable emotional pain resulting from the split. The result is two different FOSS office suites. Some have pleaded for the two to combine forces. Others have noted that the competition is good for the end user as it results in more rapid development of improvements to both suites. I see both sides, but I’d like to point out one thing I have noticed in my own use of the two programs. Some computer programs are what I would call “load and use.” Programs like web browsers and mail clients, etc., require little to no configuration or customization. One can simply do productive use without much thought. I can easily bounce back and forth between Internet Explorer and Firefox, Live Mail and Thunderbird. Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. While it’s not essential, I tend to customize my toolbars and have created helpful macros. Effectively using an office suite requires a commitment akin to a marriage. For this reason, bouncing back and forth between two suites is counterproductive. I find myself importing and exporting settings, styles, and templates between the two programs rather than simply doing my work. Why do I put up with this inconvenience? Because each program has essential virtues over the other. For example, if I need to properly hyphenate my US English, I use LibreOffice as (to date), OpenOffice fails to properly hyphenate US English. But, if I need to create mailing lists, as I just did for Christmas cards, I use OpenOffice as its Avery 5160 template is more properly aligned than that found in LibreOffice. LibreOffice remembers my hierarchical stylelist setting, whereas OpenOffice does not, but OpenOffice more effectively supports the advanced Graphite features of the Linux Libertine font. So, depending on my specific needs, I bounce back and forth. I’m sure many would suggest that I help out by reporting bugs. I have done so, but even I get lost keeping track of the bugs of each program that I am most interested in following. I suspect this situation will only get worse as each program develops features that will be lacking in the other. And, while I’m not a developer, my guess is that both programs are so complex that keeping up with each other will become an increasingly elusive effort. And, the time will come when decisions will be made NOT to implement features found in the other program. I truly like the motivation generated with competition, and sometimes having multiple programs on my computer to meet specialized needs can be helpful. But, in the world of office suites, where user commitment is essential to effective use, it would be very helpful to us end users if TDF and Apache could somehow overcome their differences and join forces to give us one glorious office suites rather than two almost glorious office suites. These are just my thoughts. I’d be curious as to how many others are using both programs because of advantages of each over the other. Virgil
