Re: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer
Hi, On 15.02.2013 00:44, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: That's odd. I created a form:text-input field and it showed me an entry window right in the document where I put it. I could then simply type into the box that was part of my document. That is, in fact, what I expected. Hm... I do not know form:text-input - I did not find such an element in ODF 1.2. Did you mean form:text or form:formatted-text? The description of text:text-input in ODF 1.2 is for a situation where users are prompted to make an entry. ODF 1.2 says A text input field is used in a user interface to prompt a user to input text. But, it is not said, where the input has to take place. It sounds like you want to implement the text entry function of text:text-input the same as for form:text-input (but without the form features?). Looking from your perspective I somehow agree. I am currently just listening to certain customers having concerns regarding our current UI experience. Best regards, Oliver. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 01:50 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer Hi Dennis, On 06.02.2013 19:35, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: For real input fields, (that is, form:text elements), direct entry works. I am not sure what you mean by 'real input fields'. I am talking about the fields which are inserted into a text document in AOO Writer by Menu Insert - Fields - Other - Functions - Input field. These Input Fields are represented in ODF by the text:text-input. For these Input Fields we have no in-place editing in AOO Writer - as I have described. I assume that the case being discussed is for conventional field values that someone wants to edit. (Like a page number or a date field in a footer.) In those cases, I suppose direct entry might be useful. But there is probably something needed to avoid accidental type-overs and to also warn that other actions might later over-write the change. Allowing for that, allowing type-over seems like a reasonable improvement. No, I am not talking about these kind of fields. Best regards, Oliver. P.S.: Sorry for the long silence, again. I had got another viral flue which knocked me out the last days. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 08:23 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer Hi, recently I got notice about our (from my point of view) very user-unfriendly way for editing Input Fields in Writer. Currently, you can not place the cursor into an Input Field which in general is shown with a grey background when Menu View - Field Shading is on. If you click on the Input Field, a modal dialog pops up. In this dialog you can edit the Input Field's content. On confirmation of the dialog the Input Field's content is changed in the text document. To edit the next Input Field you need to click on it. There is also a special key shortcut - namely Shift-Ctrl-F9. This key shortcut opens the Input Field content editing dialog for the first field. This time the dialog has a Next button by which you can confirm your change and switch directly to the next Input Field. A Previous button is not available. By Murphys law the dialog hides most of the time the Input Field in the text document. I have got the opinion that such an editing experience is bad, especially, if the document is a form which makes use of a lot of Input Fields to be filled by the user. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer
Yes, sorry. I meant form:text. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 00:32 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer Hi, On 15.02.2013 00:44, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: That's odd. I created a form:text-input field and it showed me an entry window right in the document where I put it. I could then simply type into the box that was part of my document. That is, in fact, what I expected. Hm... I do not know form:text-input - I did not find such an element in ODF 1.2. Did you mean form:text or form:formatted-text? The description of text:text-input in ODF 1.2 is for a situation where users are prompted to make an entry. ODF 1.2 says A text input field is used in a user interface to prompt a user to input text. But, it is not said, where the input has to take place. It sounds like you want to implement the text entry function of text:text-input the same as for form:text-input (but without the form features?). Looking from your perspective I somehow agree. I am currently just listening to certain customers having concerns regarding our current UI experience. Best regards, Oliver. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 01:50 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer Hi Dennis, On 06.02.2013 19:35, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: For real input fields, (that is, form:text elements), direct entry works. I am not sure what you mean by 'real input fields'. I am talking about the fields which are inserted into a text document in AOO Writer by Menu Insert - Fields - Other - Functions - Input field. These Input Fields are represented in ODF by the text:text-input. For these Input Fields we have no in-place editing in AOO Writer - as I have described. I assume that the case being discussed is for conventional field values that someone wants to edit. (Like a page number or a date field in a footer.) In those cases, I suppose direct entry might be useful. But there is probably something needed to avoid accidental type-overs and to also warn that other actions might later over-write the change. Allowing for that, allowing type-over seems like a reasonable improvement. No, I am not talking about these kind of fields. Best regards, Oliver. P.S.: Sorry for the long silence, again. I had got another viral flue which knocked me out the last days. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 08:23 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer Hi, recently I got notice about our (from my point of view) very user-unfriendly way for editing Input Fields in Writer. Currently, you can not place the cursor into an Input Field which in general is shown with a grey background when Menu View - Field Shading is on. If you click on the Input Field, a modal dialog pops up. In this dialog you can edit the Input Field's content. On confirmation of the dialog the Input Field's content is changed in the text document. To edit the next Input Field you need to click on it. There is also a special key shortcut - namely Shift-Ctrl-F9. This key shortcut opens the Input Field content editing dialog for the first field. This time the dialog has a Next button by which you can confirm your change and switch directly to the next Input Field. A Previous button is not available. By Murphys law the dialog hides most of the time the Input Field in the text document. I have got the opinion that such an editing experience is bad, especially, if the document is a form which makes use of a lot of Input Fields to be filled by the user. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer
Hi Dennis, On 06.02.2013 19:35, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: For real input fields, (that is, form:text elements), direct entry works. I am not sure what you mean by 'real input fields'. I am talking about the fields which are inserted into a text document in AOO Writer by Menu Insert - Fields - Other - Functions - Input field. These Input Fields are represented in ODF by the text:text-input. For these Input Fields we have no in-place editing in AOO Writer - as I have described. I assume that the case being discussed is for conventional field values that someone wants to edit. (Like a page number or a date field in a footer.) In those cases, I suppose direct entry might be useful. But there is probably something needed to avoid accidental type-overs and to also warn that other actions might later over-write the change. Allowing for that, allowing type-over seems like a reasonable improvement. No, I am not talking about these kind of fields. Best regards, Oliver. P.S.: Sorry for the long silence, again. I had got another viral flue which knocked me out the last days. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 08:23 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer Hi, recently I got notice about our (from my point of view) very user-unfriendly way for editing Input Fields in Writer. Currently, you can not place the cursor into an Input Field which in general is shown with a grey background when Menu View - Field Shading is on. If you click on the Input Field, a modal dialog pops up. In this dialog you can edit the Input Field's content. On confirmation of the dialog the Input Field's content is changed in the text document. To edit the next Input Field you need to click on it. There is also a special key shortcut - namely Shift-Ctrl-F9. This key shortcut opens the Input Field content editing dialog for the first field. This time the dialog has a Next button by which you can confirm your change and switch directly to the next Input Field. A Previous button is not available. By Murphys law the dialog hides most of the time the Input Field in the text document. I have got the opinion that such an editing experience is bad, especially, if the document is a form which makes use of a lot of Input Fields to be filled by the user. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer
For real input fields, (that is, form:text elements), direct entry works. I assume that the case being discussed is for conventional field values that someone wants to edit. (Like a page number or a date field in a footer.) In those cases, I suppose direct entry might be useful. But there is probably something needed to avoid accidental type-overs and to also warn that other actions might later over-write the change. Allowing for that, allowing type-over seems like a reasonable improvement. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 08:23 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [improvement idea] in-place editing of Input Fields in Writer Hi, recently I got notice about our (from my point of view) very user-unfriendly way for editing Input Fields in Writer. Currently, you can not place the cursor into an Input Field which in general is shown with a grey background when Menu View - Field Shading is on. If you click on the Input Field, a modal dialog pops up. In this dialog you can edit the Input Field's content. On confirmation of the dialog the Input Field's content is changed in the text document. To edit the next Input Field you need to click on it. There is also a special key shortcut - namely Shift-Ctrl-F9. This key shortcut opens the Input Field content editing dialog for the first field. This time the dialog has a Next button by which you can confirm your change and switch directly to the next Input Field. A Previous button is not available. By Murphys law the dialog hides most of the time the Input Field in the text document. I have got the opinion that such an editing experience is bad, especially, if the document is a form which makes use of a lot of Input Fields to be filled by the user. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
