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"Bob Sugar" wrote in message news:6642e2249390496fa557cc16cc849...@sugar1... I hate to bring this up again but, EAST IS EAST & WEST IS WEST AND THE TWAYNE SHELL NEVER MEET. Clever pun on Twayne, but you've clearly never read the whole poem. It ends: For there is neither East nor West, Border Breed nor Birth When two strong men come face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth. The exact opposite of the normally understood jingoistic nonsense. -- Harold Fuchs London, England - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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In news:4cd5dcdd.7060...@cfl.rr.com, Tom Bell typed: > On 11/6/2010 2:05 PM, Twayne wrote: >> The "nixes of >> this world are currently sub-par for anything but a newbie >> who doesn't yet know what he wants and thus doesn't know >> what he's missing. > As one who uses Linux exclusively without any trouble > whatsoever, I find your tone patronizing and condescending. > Windows AV (Any Version) is actually sub-par for an OS. > To state otherwise one would have to be very ignorant of > what OSes are and how to rate them. > That said, this is not a discussion for this forum. > PLEASE, take it to us...@os.discuss list, or whatever it > is called. > Thank you! > > Tom You need to improve your reading comprehension rather than try to prolong your opinion over anyone else's. You can't say the 'nixes are not sub-par when you cannot open the box and go to work which is the case with many experienced computer users. You're entitle to your opinions just as anyone/everyone else is and that's all a post can be is an opinion. I will not take this to your suggested location because it is you who extended it, right here, and whatever I do will have absolutely nothing to do with your wishes. Your arguement just doesn't hold water for ALL users, not even for most experienced users. As I said, I use Linux and would love to use it sans windows, but it simply cannot keep up with windows, even XP. Since you're coming on like a troll, I'll have no further discussions with you at this point; nothiing to make it worthwhile. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Unsub
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:05:00PM -0400, Twayne wrote: > In news:20101106011654.gd2...@cox.net, > Robert Holtzman typed: > > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 06:41:24PM +, AG wrote: > > > > ..snip > > > >>> > >> Oh no - not this thread yet again. Do user not read these > >> days? At the risk of starting a flame war, I would bet > >> dollars to donuts that all of these lost souls who > >> plaintively write in to be unsubbed are from Windows World > >> where one need not think for oneself and merely points and > >> clicks at something a Redmond developer has set up in > >> advance. .snip of long rant/lecture. >Myself, I WILL NOT use an OS that requires the amount of time and effort > 'nix does and would require me to expend substantial amounts of money to > become compliant with 'nix. That's backwards. Out of curiosity, what does your reply(?) have to do with my comment that you quoted? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Unsub
On 11/6/2010 2:05 PM, Twayne wrote: The "nixes of this world are currently sub-par for anything but a newbie who doesn't yet know what he wants and thus doesn't know what he's missing. As one who uses Linux exclusively without any trouble whatsoever, I find your tone patronizing and condescending. Windows AV (Any Version) is actually sub-par for an OS. To state otherwise one would have to be very ignorant of what OSes are and how to rate them. That said, this is not a discussion for this forum. PLEASE, take it to us...@os.discuss list, or whatever it is called. Thank you! Tom -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis (Juvenal), Roman Poet, late 1st, early 2nd century AD ("Who will protect us from the protectors?") - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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RE: [users] Re: Unsub
I hate to bring this up again but, EAST IS EAST & WEST IS WEST AND THE TWAYNE SHELL NEVER MEET. -Original Message- From: Twayne [mailto:twa...@twaynesdomain.com] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:05 AM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Re: Unsub In news:20101106011654.gd2...@cox.net, Robert Holtzman typed: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 06:41:24PM +, AG wrote: > > ..snip > >>> >> Oh no - not this thread yet again. Do user not read these >> days? At the risk of starting a flame war, I would bet >> dollars to donuts that all of these lost souls who >> plaintively write in to be unsubbed are from Windows World >> where one need not think for oneself and merely points and >> clicks at something a Redmond developer has set up in >> advance. > > I seem to remember reading somewhere that not all MUAs show > the footers. It's sure not windows specific users who won't RTFM or RTFP(age). Also, " where one need not think for oneself and merely points and clicks " is a good thing, not a bad thing. Windows does run any and all programs I have on my machine, which no 'nix can do, plus to even come close to doing so, requires a minimum of compiler use/experience which not all people wish to bother with when an OS handles all that for them without users havinig to learn anything about coding, compiling, addressing and so on. The "nixes of this world are currently sub-par for anything but a newbie who doesn't yet know what he wants and thus doesn't know what he's missing. I and several of my friends/acquaintances have Linux of one flavor or another and have clear heads & open minds when it comes to the reality of operating systems. Linux users on the other hand are very egotistical, often myopic, and sometimes even narcissists of the highest calibre. I wish Linux DID have a flavor that could run everything I need it to, but ... such a flavor simply does not exist. That puts the skids on using it big time for me and many thousands, probably millions like me. Most peope are happy with whichever OS they started with and don't think much about changing, whether that's good or bad I don't care; it's just a fact. "Nixers hate it when I say this, but the ONLY way to bring Linux into the prime time is for someone to start a company that SELLS reliable updates to Linux and provides a guarantee of some sort that their longevity is not in question. I'd pay for the things I needed as long as they didn't take a MS mentality about their marketing and obsoletion policies and of course pricing. If you use Linux and like it, and it does all the things you want/need/will want/will need as Windows and one other OS does, then great. I wish you all the best and success in the coming years. That is exactly what an OS should do. Just don't make yourself intentionally ignorant about competition and keep the real world in mind. If you use Linux and just play games with it as most posters of 'nix seem to be prone to, then there isn't any advice or information you can provide me with if you wanted to. Myself, I WILL NOT use an OS that requires the amount of time and effort 'nix does and would require me to expend substantial amounts of money to become compliant with 'nix. That's backwards. HTH, Twayne` - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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In news:20101106011654.gd2...@cox.net, Robert Holtzman typed: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 06:41:24PM +, AG wrote: > > ..snip > >>> >> Oh no - not this thread yet again. Do user not read these >> days? At the risk of starting a flame war, I would bet >> dollars to donuts that all of these lost souls who >> plaintively write in to be unsubbed are from Windows World >> where one need not think for oneself and merely points and >> clicks at something a Redmond developer has set up in >> advance. > > I seem to remember reading somewhere that not all MUAs show > the footers. It's sure not windows specific users who won't RTFM or RTFP(age). Also, " where one need not think for oneself and merely points and clicks " is a good thing, not a bad thing. Windows does run any and all programs I have on my machine, which no 'nix can do, plus to even come close to doing so, requires a minimum of compiler use/experience which not all people wish to bother with when an OS handles all that for them without users havinig to learn anything about coding, compiling, addressing and so on. The "nixes of this world are currently sub-par for anything but a newbie who doesn't yet know what he wants and thus doesn't know what he's missing. I and several of my friends/acquaintances have Linux of one flavor or another and have clear heads & open minds when it comes to the reality of operating systems. Linux users on the other hand are very egotistical, often myopic, and sometimes even narcissists of the highest calibre. I wish Linux DID have a flavor that could run everything I need it to, but ... such a flavor simply does not exist. That puts the skids on using it big time for me and many thousands, probably millions like me. Most peope are happy with whichever OS they started with and don't think much about changing, whether that's good or bad I don't care; it's just a fact. "Nixers hate it when I say this, but the ONLY way to bring Linux into the prime time is for someone to start a company that SELLS reliable updates to Linux and provides a guarantee of some sort that their longevity is not in question. I'd pay for the things I needed as long as they didn't take a MS mentality about their marketing and obsoletion policies and of course pricing. If you use Linux and like it, and it does all the things you want/need/will want/will need as Windows and one other OS does, then great. I wish you all the best and success in the coming years. That is exactly what an OS should do. Just don't make yourself intentionally ignorant about competition and keep the real world in mind. If you use Linux and just play games with it as most posters of 'nix seem to be prone to, then there isn't any advice or information you can provide me with if you wanted to. Myself, I WILL NOT use an OS that requires the amount of time and effort 'nix does and would require me to expend substantial amounts of money to become compliant with 'nix. That's backwards. HTH, Twayne` - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org