Re: [users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
On 11/19/09 17:32, John Kaufmann wrote: Seeking info on the automatic use of Writer's character style Internet Link, I went to OO's Help and did a Find on Internet Link - without the quotation marks, it should be noted, because Help's Find does not support the convention of quotation marks to indicate an exact string search - and that is the problem: Is there a way to Find an exact string like Internet Link? John Hi John, The Find feature in the OOo Help Viewer is not the best programmed search, to say it in a polite way. However, sometimes it CAN find what you are searching for. When I enter Internet Link as a search term, it finds all pages where both words appear somewhere. One of them is titled Editing Hyperlinks. Find can only search for each single word, there is no way to find the string Internet Link in exactly that case and order, including the single blank space. If you really need to do some advanced search magic (and in this case, advanced is a term for almost everything), you must use a tool that can search through all *.xhp files of your installed help file set. The xhp files are stored in several *.jar archive files. Either your tool can search through archive files, or you first must uncompress the jar files to a folder of your choice. Uwe -- u...@openoffice.org - Technical Writer StarOffice - Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Hamburg, Germany http://documentation.openoffice.org/ http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation http://blogs.sun.com/oootnt http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
For every instance of hyperlink I read a baker's dozen instances of link. Why not hyper-link or hyper link if that would help a forgiving routine to return it in a search for link? In fact, the OO Writer Spell Checker itself requires us to parse hyperlink. Remember, we are discussing a glossary, the interface between colloquial and technical. This is not meant for jomali unless he is a piece-word technical writer. JRL jomali wrote: The entity you are looking for is, in fact, called a hyperlink. Among its parameters is the URL it points to and its representation in a document. Unfortunately, the designers of OOo decided to refer to its style when it has not been visited as an Internet Link and the style when it has been visited at a Visited Link. It is also true that entering either Internet Link or Visited Internet Link in the help find dialog does not find either entry. However, finding hyperlink leads to Editing Hyperlinks which contains the information you are looking for. (a different) John
Re: [users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
Hi Uwe, *Thank you* for a direct and helpful answer to my question... In a message dated 2009.11.20 05:24 -0500, Uwe Fischer wrote: ... [In] OO's Help ... Is there a way to Find an exact string like Internet Link? The Find feature in the OOo Help Viewer is not the best programmed search, to say it in a polite way. I'll take that as a No. ;-) However... Internet Link as a search term ... finds all pages where both words appear somewhere. Yes, it is an inefficient search, but I found that... One of them is titled Editing Hyperlinks. ... and that, with the only (and trivial) references to the automatic character styles on which I was searching. I was hoping to find more substantial info - cf: thread[Character styles Internet Link and Visited Internet Link] - but I'm afraid what I want is not in the Help, and apparently not elsewhere in the non-dev documentation (but won't know that for sure until there is some discussion in that thread). If you really need to do some advanced search magic (and in this case, advanced is a term for almost everything) :-) ..., you must use a tool that can search through all *.xhp files of your installed help file set. The xhp files are stored in several *.jar archive files. Either your tool can search through archive files, or you first must uncompress the jar files to a folder of your choice. Great tip! - thanks! Do you know of such tool [and, if so, why it is not a standard part of Help's Find function?], or of any work underway on one? Thanks, again, for a really helpful answer. Knowing the limits of the documentation (Help and other), and how to mitigate those limits, will be an important part of bootstrapping OO into a productive tool. Regards, John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
Seeking info on the automatic use of Writer's character style Internet Link, I went to OO's Help and did a Find on Internet Link - without the quotation marks, it should be noted, because Help's Find does not support the convention of quotation marks to indicate an exact string search - and that is the problem: Is there a way to Find an exact string like Internet Link? John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
John Kaufmann wrote: Seeking info on the automatic use of Writer's character style Internet Link, I went to OO's Help and did a Find on Internet Link - without the quotation marks, it should be noted, because Help's Find does not support the convention of quotation marks to indicate an exact string search - and that is the problem: Is there a way to Find an exact string like Internet Link? John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org No. You can't find what isn't there. You might try hyperlink which is the correct term for what you want, in this case (without the double quote marks). Tom Bell Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis (Juvenal), Roman Poet, late 1st, early 2nd century AD (Who will protect us from the protectors?) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
In a message dated 2009.11.19 22:00 -0500, Charles T. Bell wrote: Seeking info on the automatic use of Writer's character style Internet Link, I went to OO's Help and did a Find on Internet Link - without the quotation marks, it should be noted, because Help's Find does not support the convention of quotation marks to indicate an exact string search - and that is the problem: Is there a way to Find an exact string like Internet Link? No. You can't find what isn't there. ? Nothing about: - Automatic adoption of certain character styles? - Internet Link [yes, I know elsewhere OO uses URL; naming consistency is not OO's strength]? Sorry, I don't understand: What is it that isn't there? - and if something is not there, how would one know before searching for it? You might try hyperlink which is the correct term for what you want ... Is it? (I don't think so.) You can look at adjacent thread [Character styles Internet Link and Visited Internet Link] for some idea of the questions I was searching for help on. Unless I'm missing something, what I was looking for is what I wanted. Thanks, John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
The entity you are looking for is, in fact, called a hyperlink. Among its parameters is the URL it points to and its representation in a document. Unfortunately, the designers of OOo decided to refer to its style when it has not been visited as an Internet Link and the style when it has been visited at a Visited Link. It is also true that entering either Internet Link or Visited Internet Link in the help find dialog does not find either entry. However, finding hyperlink leads to Editing Hyperlinks which contains the information you are looking for. (a different) John On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:00 PM, John Kaufmann kaufm...@nb.net wrote: In a message dated 2009.11.19 22:00 -0500, Charles T. Bell wrote: Seeking info on the automatic use of Writer's character style Internet Link, I went to OO's Help and did a Find on Internet Link - without the quotation marks, it should be noted, because Help's Find does not support the convention of quotation marks to indicate an exact string search - and that is the problem: Is there a way to Find an exact string like Internet Link? No. You can't find what isn't there. ? Nothing about: - Automatic adoption of certain character styles? - Internet Link [yes, I know elsewhere OO uses URL; naming consistency is not OO's strength]? Sorry, I don't understand: What is it that isn't there? - and if something is not there, how would one know before searching for it? You might try hyperlink which is the correct term for what you want ... Is it? (I don't think so.) You can look at adjacent thread [Character styles Internet Link and Visited Internet Link] for some idea of the questions I was searching for help on. Unless I'm missing something, what I was looking for is what I wanted. Thanks, John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Does OO Help's Find support an exact string search?
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:00:39 -0500 Came this utterance formulated by John Kaufmann to my mailbox: In a message dated 2009.11.19 22:00 -0500, Charles T. Bell wrote: Seeking info on the automatic use of Writer's character style Internet Link, I went to OO's Help and did a Find on Internet Link - without the quotation marks, it should be noted, because Help's Find does not support the convention of quotation marks to indicate an exact string search - and that is the problem: Is there a way to Find an exact string like Internet Link? No. You can't find what isn't there. ? Nothing about: - Automatic adoption of certain character styles? - Internet Link [yes, I know elsewhere OO uses URL; naming consistency is not OO's strength]? Sorry, I don't understand: What is it that isn't there? - and if something is not there, how would one know before searching for it? Charles was saying the term Internet Link does not exist in OO.o help documentation. Thus, you cannot find that which does not exist. You might try hyperlink which is the correct term for what you want ... Is it? (I don't think so.) You can look at adjacent thread [Character styles Internet Link and Visited Internet Link] for some idea of the questions I was searching for help on. Unless I'm missing something, what I was looking for is what I wanted. In HTML and CSS, which i am familiar with, these are termed A:LINK and A:VISITED and are both states of a hyperlink, as are A:ACTIVE and A:HOVER. OO.o may not differentiate at all between them. What are you trying to achieve with them - what do you want to do with OO.o? -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
