Re: [users] Multiple page styles or formats in one document?
To all who replied to my problem, thanks and my apologies for a delay in acknowledgment. I subscribed when I posted that question, but apparently there was a delay in listing me as a subscriber and in getting list posts to my mailbox. Thanks to Richard and Brian for posting off-list in the meantime. Now, to the question: Richard, your point to use sections to segregate different page types was a good answer to my question as put (and one I incidentally discovered myself, after posting) but was limited by the unfortunately limited scope of my example. Yes, sections will not only allow column formats to be changed from page to page, but will also allow column formats to be changed within a page, and so go beyond my question in that regard. However, the use of columns as an example was stupid on my part, because columns are not really a page-specific property (as your reply showed). [This recalls my initial bemusement at seeing Columns tab in a Page style sheet - but I digress.] A better page-specific example would be page orientation (Portrait or Landscape), for which changes in a document can be common. Keith, I think your point was related to Richard's, in that the mechanisms for a content-first-then-format approach [which I happen to like also - but again I digress] are section-oriented (where a section may be congruent with a page). The question of content-first or format-first was not really on my mind [but I thank you for recalling what I liked about the early WordPerfect (or, less pleasantly, vi/roff)]. Brian, you hit the crux of my question - how to change *page-specific* properties within a document - by recognizing the key thing I had missed: ... If you merely insert a page break, this does not insulate the parts before and after the break from page style changes, so any change will apply to the text both before and after the break - just as you have discovered. ... o Create both page styles. (You can modify them later if required.) o Go to Insert | Manual Break... | Type | Page break to insert the manual page break. o In the Insert Break dialogue, select your new page style (for the following page) from the drop-down list under Style. My stupidity was overlooking that final step. I thank you for pointing it out with such clarity - and, as a bonus, for pointing out the use and different purpose of automated, rather than manual, page style changes: o On the Organizer tab of the first page style, set its Next Style to be the new page style that you wish to follow on automatically. This second method is appropriate if you cannot determine exactly where the page break will occur and you want the text to flow naturally between pages with different page styles. After your comprehensive explanation, I have a much better appreciation of the semantic use of page styles in OpenOffice. I trust this helps. It sure did. John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Multiple page styles or formats in one document?
How does one have multiple page formats in a Writer (or other OO) document - either with or without use of Page styles? [Example: a page without columns (that is, 1 column) followed by a page with two columns, followed by a page without columns.] I have tried: - Formatting one page, then inserting a page break, then formatting the next page. - Setting a page style for one page, then inserting a page break, then setting a page style for the next page. Either way it breaks: whenever the page format is changed, or a new page style is invoked, it seems to apply to the whole document. This seems like a common problem, and thus pretty basic requirement, for a word processor, but I've wasted a lot of time looking for an answer. The Wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Working_with_page_styles spuriously touches on this topic - in the context of a cover page followed by default pages - and then dithers into an irrelevant discussion of how to set page style. [One might infer that the only way it even contemplates using multiple styles per page is in that context of a cover page and later pages.] It never returns to the question of how to invoke multiple styles in a document. I can't believe this is not possible. Anyone know the secret? John - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple page styles or formats in one document?
John Kaufmann wrote: How does one have multiple page formats in a Writer (or other OO) document - either with or without use of Page styles? [Example: a page without columns (that is, 1 column) followed by a page with two columns, followed by a page without columns.] I have tried: - Formatting one page, then inserting a page break, then formatting the next page. - Setting a page style for one page, then inserting a page break, then setting a page style for the next page. Either way it breaks: whenever the page format is changed, or a new page style is invoked, it seems to apply to the whole document. This seems like a common problem, and thus pretty basic requirement, for a word processor, but I've wasted a lot of time looking for an answer. The Wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Working_with_page_styles spuriously touches on this topic - in the context of a cover page followed by default pages - and then dithers into an irrelevant discussion of how to set page style. [One might infer that the only way it even contemplates using multiple styles per page is in that context of a cover page and later pages.] It never returns to the question of how to invoke multiple styles in a document. I can't believe this is not possible. Anyone know the secret? John I do this all the time for a newsletter than I'm the editor of. There may be other ways, but here is what I do, which works well. You can change column formats (from single column to two column for example) within a page. I use sections. Each section can be configured with however many columns you like. To do this, go to Insert Section, and then click on the Columns tab in the section dialog. Let me know if you need any more specific guidance. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple page styles or formats in one document?
John I type the lot, then highlight the area I want set out in more columns and format that as 2 (or 4 or 3) columns.Works for me. Also fits the old concept that you get it on screen then make it look good. Keith Bainbridge PO Box 324 BELMONT Vic 3216 Australia +61(0)408 522 706 keithr...@gmail.com 2009/3/31 Richard Detwiler rldetwi...@frontiernet.net: John Kaufmann wrote: How does one have multiple page formats in a Writer (or other OO) document - either with or without use of Page styles? [Example: a page without columns (that is, 1 column) followed by a page with two columns, followed by a page without columns.] I have tried: - Formatting one page, then inserting a page break, then formatting the next page. - Setting a page style for one page, then inserting a page break, then setting a page style for the next page. Either way it breaks: whenever the page format is changed, or a new page style is invoked, it seems to apply to the whole document. This seems like a common problem, and thus pretty basic requirement, for a word processor, but I've wasted a lot of time looking for an answer. The Wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Working_with_page_styles spuriously touches on this topic - in the context of a cover page followed by default pages - and then dithers into an irrelevant discussion of how to set page style. [One might infer that the only way it even contemplates using multiple styles per page is in that context of a cover page and later pages.] It never returns to the question of how to invoke multiple styles in a document. I can't believe this is not possible. Anyone know the secret? John I do this all the time for a newsletter than I'm the editor of. There may be other ways, but here is what I do, which works well. You can change column formats (from single column to two column for example) within a page. I use sections. Each section can be configured with however many columns you like. To do this, go to Insert Section, and then click on the Columns tab in the section dialog. Let me know if you need any more specific guidance. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple page styles or formats in one document?
At 19:19 27/03/2009 -0400, John Kaufmann wrote: How does one have multiple page formats in a Writer (or other OO) document - either with or without use of Page styles? [Example: a page without columns (that is, 1 column) followed by a page with two columns, followed by a page without columns.] I have tried: - Formatting one page, then inserting a page break, then formatting the next page. - Setting a page style for one page, then inserting a page break, then setting a page style for the next page. Either way it breaks: whenever the page format is changed, or a new page style is invoked, it seems to apply to the whole document. This seems like a common problem, and thus pretty basic requirement, for a word processor, but I've wasted a lot of time looking for an answer. The Wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Working_with_page_styles spuriously touches on this topic - in the context of a cover page followed by default pages - and then dithers into an irrelevant discussion of how to set page style. [One might infer that the only way it even contemplates using multiple styles per page is in that context of a cover page and later pages.] It never returns to the question of how to invoke multiple styles in a document. I can't believe this is not possible. Anyone know the secret? The simpler answer, as has already been suggested, is to use sections. Go to Insert | Section... and you will see that your new section can have various formatting properties - including columns. You can insert as many sections as you wish in your document and each can be formatted separately - and you can have default portions in between. As has also already been suggested, you can enter your material first, select it, and then use Format | Columns... to set it into columns. Note that this achieves what you need by creating an appropriate section for you. Yes: you can also do this using page styles, but not quite in the ways that you have described. If you merely insert a page break, this does not insulate the parts before and after the break from page style changes, so any change will apply to the text both before and after the break - just as you have discovered. There are two ways that you can have different page styles on consecutive pages; which to choose depends on exactly what you need. Either: o Create both page styles. (You can modify them later if required.) o Go to Insert | Manual Break... | Type | Page break to insert the manual page break. o In the Insert Break dialogue, select your new page style (for the following page) from the drop-down list under Style. Or: o On the Organizer tab of the first page style, set its Next Style to be the new page style that you wish to follow on automatically. This second method is appropriate if you cannot determine exactly where the page break will occur and you want the text to flow naturally between pages with different page styles. I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
