[users] Re: Re: Alt + menu ?
TerryJ wrote: John King-2 wrote: TerryJ wrote: /snip Greetings. I am struggling to understand this. I have amended /etc/X11/Xmodmap to include the following line: keycode 115 = Multi_key Keycode 115 is the left winkey. There remain at least 2 things I do not understand: 1. The layout of my compose file ( /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/iso8859-1/Compose ) is quite different from that in http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html . These are typical lines: - - - - quote - - - - Multi_key plus plus : # numbersign Multi_key apostrophe space : ' apostrophe - - - end quote - - - winkey, +, + does not produce # yet - perhaps I have to shutdown and re-start the system first? I guess that I am able to amend the file (as long as I can find the right jargon) so that the key combinations and results suit me better - is that correct? I have to hack the files because there is no tool on the desktop I'm using to alter keyboard arrangements in this way. 2. What is a dead key? Do I already have one or more or do I have to do something to kill (an) existing key/s? Thanks for the information. Terry Depending on what you are trying to achieve, I doubt if it's necessary for you to make all the changes listed in that article if you are using a recent distribution and either kde or gnome with openoffice. The article's usefulness to me was its listing of the key combinations to create accented characters using either compose or AltGr. So before we consider the questions you put above, could you clarify a. your distribution b. whether you are using gnome or kde c. the version of openoffice you have installed d. what you are trying to do - ie what kind of characters you want to produce. thanks -- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for replying. I am using PCLinuxOS with the Xfce desktop. My OOo version is 2.0.2 and these are (some at least of) the characters I'd like to use: § © ® ¼ ½ ¾ ¢ £ ¥ ç è é ê ü ß ï ÷ ± ° When I track down symbols for trademark and the euro, those too. Cheers. Terry Since this is an OS/desktop question rather than an openoffice one, I suggest we take the discussion off-list. I'll download a livecd version PCLinuxOS, have a look at your options and then get back to you. -- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Re: Alt + menu ?
2007/2/19, John King [EMAIL PROTECTED]: M Henri Day wrote: snip| Thanks a lot, John ! I went to System→Preferences→Keyboard→Layout Options, as per your instructions, and found that under the last-named, I could choose Compose key positions, with the following alternatives : - Right Alt is Compose - Right Win-key is Compose - Menu is Compose - Right Ctrl is Compose - Caps Lock is Compose As I never use the Right Win-key, the choice was obvious, and while most of the symbols listed in ISO 8859-1 were already available to me on my rather well-equipped keyboard, some, like «ů» were not. Now, I think, I can write just about everything I need to write in the European languages I use directly from my keyboard - with one important exception : I can't compose a caron or inverted circumflex or «háček» - «ˇ» - which I need to write letters like «č»,«š», «ž» and «ř», used in certain Slavic orthographies. If I could figure out how to compose this symbol and add it to ordinary ASCII letters by using the compose key, my joy would know no bounds - until I ran into something else I needed to know Henri Here comes your boundless joy! For a full listing and more extensive explanation, see: http://www.kenmoffat.uklinux.net/hints/Accented_Latin-UTF-8.txt The above article mentions that the writer had problems with the compose key generating some characters. I have the same problem with my cheap UK keyboard, so for haček/caron accented characters I use the AltGr+Shift combination. so:- AltGr+Shift+' followed by c = č AltGr+Shift+' followed by s = š See the above article for other combinations, though you can most likely guess them :-) Most of the initial part of the article deals with xterm keyboards. Provided I choose the basic variant of my UK keyboard, I get the right characters anyway in openoffice and other applications. However, I found changing the variant does muck them up, so you may have to check your keyboard settings if you don't get the correct output. -- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alas, on my Skandihoovian keyboard, these manipulations don't always work. If I hold down the combination «Alt Gr + Shift + '», I cannot then strike «c» and get «č», instead, after the first operation I get «×», so the combination leads to «×c». Changing my keyboard settings to English us/uk is not an option, as I should thereby immediately lose all the advantages my present setting (to Swedish) gives me. So can it go ! But I haven't given up - if anyone has another suggestion, I'm all ears (typing features) Henri
Re: [users] Re: Re: Alt + menu ?
I know you don't use Windows, but there is a Windows program called AllChars which let you enter special characters easily (such as Ctrl c o produce a (c) and so on - the Ctrl key is pressed, then released, that's why I didn't type Ctrl+c o). Works in every application. Maybe there is something like it for Linux? Johnny 2007/2/19, M Henri Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2007/2/19, John King [EMAIL PROTECTED]: M Henri Day wrote: snip| Thanks a lot, John ! I went to System→Preferences→Keyboard→Layout Options, as per your instructions, and found that under the last-named, I could choose Compose key positions, with the following alternatives : - Right Alt is Compose - Right Win-key is Compose - Menu is Compose - Right Ctrl is Compose - Caps Lock is Compose As I never use the Right Win-key, the choice was obvious, and while most of the symbols listed in ISO 8859-1 were already available to me on my rather well-equipped keyboard, some, like «ů» were not. Now, I think, I can write just about everything I need to write in the European languages I use directly from my keyboard - with one important exception : I can't compose a caron or inverted circumflex or «háček» - «ˇ» - which I need to write letters like «č»,«š», «ž» and «ř», used in certain Slavic orthographies. If I could figure out how to compose this symbol and add it to ordinary ASCII letters by using the compose key, my joy would know no bounds - until I ran into something else I needed to know Henri Here comes your boundless joy! For a full listing and more extensive explanation, see: http://www.kenmoffat.uklinux.net/hints/Accented_Latin-UTF-8.txt The above article mentions that the writer had problems with the compose key generating some characters. I have the same problem with my cheap UK keyboard, so for haček/caron accented characters I use the AltGr+Shift combination. so:- AltGr+Shift+' followed by c = č AltGr+Shift+' followed by s = š See the above article for other combinations, though you can most likely guess them :-) Most of the initial part of the article deals with xterm keyboards. Provided I choose the basic variant of my UK keyboard, I get the right characters anyway in openoffice and other applications. However, I found changing the variant does muck them up, so you may have to check your keyboard settings if you don't get the correct output. -- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alas, on my Skandihoovian keyboard, these manipulations don't always work. If I hold down the combination «Alt Gr + Shift + '», I cannot then strike «c» and get «č», instead, after the first operation I get «×», so the combination leads to «×c». Changing my keyboard settings to English us/uk is not an option, as I should thereby immediately lose all the advantages my present setting (to Swedish) gives me. So can it go ! But I haven't given up - if anyone has another suggestion, I'm all ears (typing features) Henri
Re: [users] Re: Re: Alt + menu ?
2007/2/19, Johnny Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I know you don't use Windows, but there is a Windows program called AllChars which let you enter special characters easily (such as Ctrl c o produce a (c) and so on - the Ctrl key is pressed, then released, that's why I didn't type Ctrl+c o). Works in every application. Maybe there is something like it for Linux? Johnny snip Alas, on my Skandihoovian keyboard, these manipulations don't always work. If I hold down the combination «Alt Gr + Shift + '», I cannot then strike «c» and get «č», instead, after the first operation I get «×», so the combination leads to «×c». Changing my keyboard settings to English us/uk is not an option, as I should thereby immediately lose all the advantages my present setting (to Swedish) gives me. So can it go ! But I haven't given up - if anyone has another suggestion, I'm all ears (typing features) Henri Dear John, The Windows app isn't necessary - inspired by our correspondence, I decided to do some further exploration and found, to my great joy that on my keyboard, the process «Alt Gr + Shift + the diaresis key» × 2 gives «ˇ», and «Alt Gr + Shift + the diaresis key» and then «c», «s», «z», or «ř» gives «č», «š», «ž», and «ř» respectively. Hallelujah !... Thanks a lot ! Henri
[users] Re: Re: Alt + menu ?
TerryJ wrote: /snip Greetings. I am struggling to understand this. I have amended /etc/X11/Xmodmap to include the following line: keycode 115 = Multi_key Keycode 115 is the left winkey. There remain at least 2 things I do not understand: 1. The layout of my compose file ( /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/iso8859-1/Compose ) is quite different from that in http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html . These are typical lines: - - - - quote - - - - Multi_key plus plus : # numbersign Multi_key apostrophe space : ' apostrophe - - - end quote - - - winkey, +, + does not produce # yet - perhaps I have to shutdown and re-start the system first? I guess that I am able to amend the file (as long as I can find the right jargon) so that the key combinations and results suit me better - is that correct? I have to hack the files because there is no tool on the desktop I'm using to alter keyboard arrangements in this way. 2. What is a dead key? Do I already have one or more or do I have to do something to kill (an) existing key/s? Thanks for the information. Terry Depending on what you are trying to achieve, I doubt if it's necessary for you to make all the changes listed in that article if you are using a recent distribution and either kde or gnome with openoffice. The article's usefulness to me was its listing of the key combinations to create accented characters using either compose or AltGr. So before we consider the questions you put above, could you clarify a. your distribution b. whether you are using gnome or kde c. the version of openoffice you have installed d. what you are trying to do - ie what kind of characters you want to produce. thanks -- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Re: Alt + menu ?
M Henri Day wrote: 2007/2/18, John King [EMAIL PROTECTED]: M Henri Day wrote: When I was using *XP* on my computer, *Word* (and to a lesser degree, even other apps, like Gmail) permitted me to make use of a little table I had prepared from the *Table de caractères Unicode* http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/ to write in certain graphs that weren't immediately available on my (Norwegian) keyboard (to write Chinese and Japanese, I used the language bar and the IMEs ; I now use SCIM), but to which I could gain access by using the Alt key and the numpad keys (with Num Lock *on*) to the right of the keyboard. To give an example of what I mean, here below an excerpt from the table : € = Alt + 0128 ¥ = Alt + 0165 Ç = Alt + 0199 ç = Alt + 0231 Ć = Alt + 0262 ć = Alt + 0263 Č = Alt + 0268 č = Alt + 0269 Some, like €, but by no means all of these are taken care of by Alt Gr +, but I should very much like to have recourse to the others as well directly from the keyboard, instead of having to open my list and cut and paste. Does anyone know if it is possible to arrange OO.o so that Alt + numpad keys would work as they do in *Windows*/*Word* ?... Henri I use the 'compose' key to generate characters such as the examples above. You'll find a list on: http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html On ubuntu edgy you can define which key to set as the compose key in System - Preferences -Keyboard - Layout options. Then tap the compose key, tap the accent you want (key defined on the above web page, but most can be guessed and are easy to remember) and then the character. So, compose + , + C = Ç (0199) Of course, some characters that are not character + accent won't be covered. -- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks a lot, John ! I went to System→Preferences→Keyboard→Layout Options, as per your instructions, and found that under the last-named, I could choose Compose key positions, with the following alternatives : - Right Alt is Compose - Right Win-key is Compose - Menu is Compose - Right Ctrl is Compose - Caps Lock is Compose As I never use the Right Win-key, the choice was obvious, and while most of the symbols listed in ISO 8859-1 were already available to me on my rather well-equipped keyboard, some, like «ů» were not. Now, I think, I can write just about everything I need to write in the European languages I use directly from my keyboard - with one important exception : I can't compose a caron or inverted circumflex or «háček» - «ˇ» - which I need to write letters like «č»,«š», «ž» and «ř», used in certain Slavic orthographies. If I could figure out how to compose this symbol and add it to ordinary ASCII letters by using the compose key, my joy would know no bounds - until I ran into something else I needed to know Henri Here comes your boundless joy! For a full listing and more extensive explanation, see: http://www.kenmoffat.uklinux.net/hints/Accented_Latin-UTF-8.txt The above article mentions that the writer had problems with the compose key generating some characters. I have the same problem with my cheap UK keyboard, so for haček/caron accented characters I use the AltGr+Shift combination. so:- AltGr+Shift+' followed by c = č AltGr+Shift+' followed by s = š See the above article for other combinations, though you can most likely guess them :-) Most of the initial part of the article deals with xterm keyboards. Provided I choose the basic variant of my UK keyboard, I get the right characters anyway in openoffice and other applications. However, I found changing the variant does muck them up, so you may have to check your keyboard settings if you don't get the correct output. -- John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
