Hi John,
00.0 3.2.0 and 3.2.1 and 2.4.?:
Sorry if i underestimated your expertise level; it's hard to tell sometimes
so I err of the safest side as a rule, or try to anyway.
I made a few comments inline:
In news:4c11af69.6070...@nb.net,
John Kaufmann kaufm...@nb.net typed:
Hi Twayne,
In a message dated 2010.06.10 18:59 -0500, Twayne wrote:
Where is the envelope style found? I just looked at all
styles and none are for envelopes.
Stylist (F-11), under the Page styles.
Understood. The Styles Format dialog.
It makes sense that there may be one though.
Well, yes but... conceptually (from style class design)
Envelope is a tough fit to the Page styles: the only
attributes they really share are that they are
2-dimensional and printed. [In fact, that tough fit may be
an underlying design issue.]
Yeah my list doesn't include anything about envelopes. That
makes me pretty curious but I suppose it would if I purposely saved them as
a style, but I don't see the need. Once you get it started, swtch to Format;
Page; to get better control of the parameters you want to tweak. IMO anyway.
According to the Stylist, the page style becomes
Envelope after an envelope is formed from the
Insert|Envelope wizard
That hasn't happened here; I'll have to have a look at Options and see if
there's something there to explain it. I'm curious, that's all.
Correct. Insert; Envelop should also open a dialog window
where in one of its tabs you can set things such as
return/recipient address, database info and either add the
envelope to the document or create just the envelope.
Then in the second tab, Format, you have the dimensions
and location of the envelope within the scope of the paper size you're
using. Then the third tab is for your printer, which way
to place the invelope into the tray, and any offset you
might need to use to tweak the position.
Yes, of course I know all that. The point, though, is that
after you do that, Writer also assigns the page style
Envelope to the result - even though it has nothing to do
with what you just set up under the Format tab.
That is curious; that doesn't happen here. I just tried it by
creating an ipso factum... page with an envelope inserted intto the document
and saved them to
disk. Closed/reopened OO.o Writer and checked F11: Still no envelope entry
in the list. Didn't do a Restart, but I don't see where it'd matter to
anything.
OO.o used a strange methodology for setting up its
envelopes so it takes a little study as to how to use the dimensions and
offsets ... See the Documentation entries at OO.o for more on
envelopes.
Yes, I thought i made it clear that I have studied the
documentation wiki (and the Help, of course) pretty thoroughly before
asking the question - and no two of those three sources -
Help, FAQ and Writer Guide - agree on how envelopes should be done!
There is one that is a set of various envelope templates which you can
download somewhere on OO.o. If you can find that one, or someone could point
us to it, there might be explanatories there. IIRC they worked on my inkjet
but I never tried any of them on the laserjet.
Actually, while I'm thinking of it, there are some errors in the F11 list,
too. Like, I'd expect Signature to right-align, but it doesn't. There's more
than a few of them actually.
- but the page style apparently has no connection to what
was defined in the Envelope wizard.
Yeah, unless it had something like #10 as part of the name, I don't know
that you could trust what it might indicate anyway unless for you it opens
the Insert Envelope dialog box for you.
I -think- what you mean here is what I meant above when I
said OO.o has a completely different, non-user-friendly way of creating
envelopes.
Well, that's already a pretty damning statement - but
actually what I meant was that the Format settings from the
Insert|Envelope command are different from those in the
Envelope page style which is also invoked by the
Insert|Envelope command. In fact, not only are the
settings different, they are drawn from different source
lists! I can't imagine why that is, and was hoping someone
on the list knew.
Perhaps it's named envelope but isn't what you're calling envelope right
now?? Naming things can get confusing at times.
It does seem like it's not related at all and gives what
seems to be pretty odd results. It's frustrating and quite annoying to
try to design envelopes for anything but the #10 sample exactly
as presented. Change ANYthing about it, and it seems to go
all to hell on you.
That should not be, and is what I'm ultimately trying to
overcome.
IMO, forget the F11 access and just stick to the Insert; Envelope; method.
Notiice where the vertical and horizontal references are for the dimensions,
and empirically work out what each dimension actually does for you. Get it
working right on a full sheet of paper and then switch to an actual envelope
and tweak
