[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey responses are now available

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno lun 31 mag 2021 alle ore 09:17 Sandro Bonazzola <
sbona...@redhat.com> ha scritto:

> Thanks to the 133 participants in the oVirt 2021 Spring survey!
> The survey is now over and results are publicly available at [1].
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1RcSzRQ2YmB2U3MNlWk0YqTVFdGYIdguk46K2A-DZEvc/viewanalytics
>
>
>
>From a first glance at results, most of the participants upgraded to 4.4
but not yet to the latest 4.4.6.
A few participants installed oVirt Engine on alternative distributions
derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux: I would be happy to get some
feedback about issues encountered while running there.
About  one third of the participants are going to follow the oVirt project
direction and stay on CentOS Stream.
A few people will join the group of those running on RHEL while 17% of the
participants are going to try to move the engine on top of Rocky Linux.
5% of the participants will stay on 4.3/EL7: please be aware that oVirt 4.3
is not receiving security fixes and this may put your datacenter at risk.

On the host side, about half of the participants are still using cluster
levels prior to 4.4.
About one third of the participants are running oVirt Node 4.4.
A few participants are running hosts with alternative distributions derived
from Red Hat Enterprise Linux: I would be happy to get some feedback about
issues encountered while running there.
In the future oVirt Node will see an increase of adoption following the
changes related to CentOS Stream but also a significant one third of the
participants will try to run oVirt hosts on Rocky Linux.
About 10% will join those who switched from CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream.

I'm a bit surprised nobody is reporting to be still on oVirt 3.x since a
few datacenters with such versions are still up and running and with admin
portal indexed by google.

About the hardware, Haswell family processors are the most commonly used
but there's also a good number of more recent hardware deployments using
Cascadelake and Skylake processors.
Only about 1% of the participants are running on ppc64le architecture.

Not surprisingly, most of the workload is running on GNU/Linux guests
(mostly RHEL 7 and derivatives) but there's about one third of participants
also running windows systems.

On the storage side, NFS is the most commonly used solution. Current
configuration options are enough for most people and the hyperconverged
solution is mostly considered adequate or not relevant for the use case of
the participants. There are a few interesting suggestions on improving the
storage configuration options which will be reviewed by the storage team.

On the automation side, ansible is the most commonly used tool but about
10% of the participants are using terraform too.

About plans for the next 2-3 years about 70% of the participants are going
to stay on oVirt (thanks!), about 10% are considering moving to an oVirt
downstream product and the remaining 20% are either considering moving to a
different solution or have not yet decided. Of these, only 2% are
considering OKD / Kubevirt as an alternative.


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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Many thanks to oVirt community members who already completed the oVirt 2021 
Spring survey!
For those who haven't taken the survey yet, the survey is still open and 
answering will help the oVirt developers to focus effort on the community needs.
The survey will take approximately 10 minutes to complete. We hope you can 
spare some time to help the project in its desire to improve. The survey will 
be available until May 30th 2021.
To access the survey, please click on this link:  
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScdJGoBYxuW-4IsIvZGVpbiEWhmt4O-oAAjKwSBPoDdKLMYsA/viewform?usp=sf_link
 
Please note the answers to this survey will be publicly accessible.
This survey is under oVirt Privacy Policy available at 
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno mar 4 mag 2021 alle ore 00:35 Thomas Hoberg 
ha scritto:

> Do you think it would add significant value to your use of oVirt if
>

more than a question to the users community this sounds like feedback on
current pain points :-)

- single node HCI could easily promote to 3-node HCI?
>

+Rejy Cyriac  how well is documented and how can we
improve the experience for this step?


> - single increments of HCI nodes worked with "sensible solution of quota
> issues"?

- extra HCI nodes (say beyond 6) could easily transition into erasure
> coding for good quota management, distinguishable by volumes?
> - oVirt clusters supported easy transition between HCI and SAN/NFS storage
> as initial 1 or 3 node HCI "succeed" into a broader deployment with role
> differentiation?
>

I think these needs further explanation but I'll let Gluster team to ask
about them


> - it was validated on "edgy hardware" like Atoms, which support 32GB RAM
> these days, nested virtualization with affordable 100% passive hardware?
>

Anyone willing to donate this edgy hardware to the project so we can fully
validate oVirt on such hardware?
https://ovirt.org/community/get-involved/donate-hardware.html


> - oVirt node images were made only from fully validated vertical stacks,
> including all standard deployment variants (SAN/NFS/Gluster 1/3/6/9 node
> HCI) including VDO and all life-cycle operations (updates)?
>

Can you please detail the test criteria? Just noting here we lack the
hardware for testing a 9 node HCI setup in oVirt Jenkins.


> - import and export of OVA were fully supported/validated standard
> operations against oVirt, VMware and VirtualBox?
>

Any specific issue seen on this?


- oVirt, Docker, Podman (and OKD) could work side-by-side on hosts,
> recognizing each other's resource allocations and networks instead of each
> assuming it owned the host?
>

I don't foresee this to happen, if you want to run VMs and containers on
the same hosts you should probably look at OKD+Kubevirt as soltution.


> - RealTek drivers, both for onboard and USB3 2.5Gbit were included in the
> oVirt node images and actually worked properly across warm reboots?
>

Yes, working with 3rd party drivers is not easy while using Node. For this
case a plain CentOS / RHEL would work better.
There's a bug in Anaconda that doesn't allow to easily handle 3rd party
driver installation with image based installation.


> - nested virtualization was fully supported with oVirt on oVirt for fully
> testing migration and expansion scenarios before applying them on the
> physical hardware?
>

nested virtualization is used for testing oVirt on x86_64 always. All oVirt
System Tests suite relies on nested virtualization working.


> - Ansible was just 1x faster?
>

This is not something the oVirt  team can do :-) we can suggest something
to speed up:
https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-ansible-hosted-engine-setup#deployment-time-improvements
but it may have its corner cases when it may not work as espected.


> - oVirt 4.3 could upgrade to 4.4 automagically and with a secure fail-back
> at any point? (ok, I know this is getting madly out of hand...)


maybe worth splitting the discussion on separate threads per topic.



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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Thomas Hoberg]

Do you think it would add significant value to your use of oVirt if
- single node HCI could easily promote to 3-node HCI?
- single increments of HCI nodes worked with "sensible solution of quota 
issues"?
- extra HCI nodes (say beyond 6) could easily transition into erasure coding 
for good quota management, distinguishable by volumes?
- oVirt clusters supported easy transition between HCI and SAN/NFS storage as 
initial 1 or 3 node HCI "succeed" into a broader deployment with role 
differentiation?
- it was validated on "edgy hardware" like Atoms, which support 32GB RAM these 
days, nested virtualization with affordable 100% passive hardware?
- oVirt node images were made only from fully validated vertical stacks, 
including all standard deployment variants (SAN/NFS/Gluster 1/3/6/9 node HCI) 
including VDO and all life-cycle operations (updates)?
- import and export of OVA were fully supported/validated standard operations 
against oVirt, VMware and VirtualBox?
- oVirt, Docker, Podman (and OKD) could work side-by-side on hosts, recognizing 
each other's resource allocations and networks instead of each assuming it 
owned the host?
- RealTek drivers, both for onboard and USB3 2.5Gbit were included in the oVirt 
node images and actually worked properly across warm reboots?
- nested virtualization was fully supported with oVirt on oVirt for fully 
testing migration and expansion scenarios before applying them on the physical 
hardware?
- Ansible was just 1x faster?
- oVirt 4.3 could upgrade to 4.4 automagically and with a secure fail-back at 
any point? (ok, I know this is getting madly out of hand...)
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Yedidyah Bar David]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:55 PM Jiří Sléžka  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 4/27/21 10:13 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> > Hi,
> > it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
> > provide feedback with a survey.
> > Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>
> maybe something about most wanted new feature?

Perhaps add one or more questions about the base OS. E.g.:

* What are your plans regarding the base OS, with the recent changes in CentOS?

- Stay on oVirt 4.3 + CentOS 7 for the time being

- Manually upgrade to CentOS Stream on both engine and hosts

- Use only ovirt-node and the appliance [2]

- Migrate to Red Hat Enterprise Linux or some rebuild of it (and
please provide details - which one?)

- More than one of the above, depending on use case (and please provide details)

And perhaps also ask about plans in light of Red Hat's RHV roadmap
[1], to slowly phase out RHV in favor of OpenShift Virtualization:

* What are your plans for the next 2-3 years for your virtualization
use (see also [1])?

- Migrate to OKD/kubevirt

- Stay on oVirt for the time being

- Migrate to Oracle's OLVM and expect/ask that they continue
supporting it further

- Migrate to some other FOSS virtualization project (which? Please
provide details)

- Migrate to some proprietary product (which? Please provide details)

[1] https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhev

[2] ovirt-node and ovirt-engine-appliance are images created by oVirt
for releases. These are going through at least basic testing before
announcing a release. If/when oVirt starts basing them on CentOS
Stream, one can expect them to be tested before the release, at least
so that they can be considered some kind of a “stable base” to work
from. Then, updating to newer versions of packages provided by CentOS
Stream is up to the user: Some would prefer to not ever do this (until
the next release of oVirt), some would cherry-pick specific updates as
needed/relevant (e.g. security-related updates), and some might update
everything daily (e.g. for testing).

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Konstantin Shalygin]

Hi Sandro,

The question is - will ovirt plan to provide database migration scripts from 
deprecated OpenStack provider to cinderlib? I mean put in survey actual users 
and quantity of images in domain


Thanks,
k

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Tony Brian Albers]

Maybe also some questions about what kind of storage people use?

Do they use a dedicated file server or something distributed like gluster?

Storage filesystems that could be used:

XFS
ZFS(FreeBSD/Solaris/Illumos/Linux)
Hammer(DragonflyBSD)
OneFS (EMC Isilon)
GPFS(IBM)
etc.

/tony

On 4/29/21 9:59 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> 
> 
> Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 09:37 marek  > ha scritto:
> 
> hi Sandro,
> 
> SW components used for cluster like:
> 
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts
> 
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts
> 
> - Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts
> 
> 
> make sense, adding.
> 
> ...
> 
> Marek
> 
> 
> Dne 27/04/2021 v 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola napsal(a):
>> Hi,
>> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
>> provide feedback with a survey.
>> Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>>
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 08:08 dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users <
users@ovirt.org> ha scritto:

> Hi Sandro
>
> First of all thank you leading this project.. can you share us what is the
> road map of this project for next 5 years?


oVirt project tracks plans in bugzilla, you can see what's being planned
here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=classification%3Aovirt
and contribute shaping what's coming next.

Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 08:10 dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users <
users@ovirt.org> ha scritto:

> Also any plan to integrate ceph storage into ovirt Hyperconverged solution
> as we did for Gluster?
>

I'm not aware of any effort planned for it

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno gio 29 apr 2021 alle ore 09:37 marek  ha
scritto:

> hi Sandro,
>
> SW components used for cluster like:
>
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts
>
> - RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts
>
> - Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts
>

make sense, adding.


> ...
>
> Marek
>
>
> Dne 27/04/2021 v 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola napsal(a):
>
> Hi,
> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to provide
> feedback with a survey.
> Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>
> --
>
> Sandro Bonazzola
>
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[marek]

hi Sandro,

SW components used for cluster like:

- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Ovirt node for hosts

- RHEL8 for Ovirt management + Alma linux node for hosts

- Centos 8 Stream for Ovirt management + Centos 8 Stream for hosts

...

Marek


Dne 27/04/2021 v 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola napsal(a):

Hi,
it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to 
provide feedback with a survey.

Any questions you'd like to be asked?

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[dhanaraj.ramesh--- via Users]

Also any plan to integrate ceph storage into ovirt Hyperconverged solution as 
we did for Gluster? 
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

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Hi Sandro

First of all thank you leading this project.. can you share us what is the road 
map of this project for next 5 years? 
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Yedidyah Bar David]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:55 PM Jiří Sléžka  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 4/27/21 10:13 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> > Hi,
> > it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
> > provide feedback with a survey.
> > Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>
> maybe something about most wanted new feature?

+1 from me, but I'd like to add: Bugs and features are tracked in bugzilla.
If you want a new feature, please open a bug, with subject starting with '[RFE]'
(and bugzilla should automatically also add to it the keyword FutureFeature).
If you are interested in an existing open bug/RFE, please comment on it saying
so, preferably with concrete reasons as applicable.

I also have vague memories about being about to press a "vote" button for bugs,
but can't find it right now.

Thanks and best regards,
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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Jiří Sléžka]

Hi,

On 4/27/21 10:13 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> Hi,
> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to
> provide feedback with a survey.
> Any questions you'd like to be asked?

maybe something about most wanted new feature?

Cheers,

Jiri

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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il giorno mar 27 apr 2021 alle ore 10:13 Sandro Bonazzola <
sbona...@redhat.com> ha scritto:

> Hi,
> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to provide
> feedback with a survey.
> Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>

For reference, Autumn survey results:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdzzh_MSsSq-LSQLauJzuaHC0Va1baXm84A_9XBCIileLNSPQ/viewanalytics



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[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt 2021 Spring survey questions

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Desired storage options
Desired single server setup with included maintenance and updates made easy
Backup improvements desiderata

Thanks,
Gianluca

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:16 AM Sandro Bonazzola 
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> Hi,
> it's about the usual time of the year when we ask the community to provide
> feedback with a survey.
> Any questions you'd like to be asked?
>
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