Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.2.14
Am 20.01.2015 um 21:04 schrieb Ludovic Marcotte: On 20/01/2015 15:01, J. Echter wrote: Samba 4 comes in as a dependency with SOGo It does not. The sogo package doesn't. The sogo-activesync package doesn't. The sogo-openchange package does. That is right, but sogo repo has samba-libs for samba version 4 which obsoletes CentOS 6 own samba4-libs and this will bring some dependency problems (sogo repo uses libldb 1.1.17 for samba-libs but sssd needs samba4-libs and this requires libldb 1.1.13). I had simmilar problems and added samba-libs to my ignore list in yum.conf file for the sogo server (where I do not need samba). regards Martin -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.2.14
users-requ...@sogo.nu wrote on 21.01.2015 18:49:03: Am 20.01.2015 um 21:04 schrieb Ludovic Marcotte: On 20/01/2015 15:01, J. Echter wrote: Samba 4 comes in as a dependency with SOGo It does not. The sogo package doesn't. The sogo-activesync package doesn't. The sogo-openchange package does. That is right, but sogo repo has samba-libs for samba version 4 which obsoletes CentOS 6 own samba4-libs and this will bring some dependency problems (sogo repo uses libldb 1.1.17 for samba-libs but sssd needs samba4-libs and this requires libldb 1.1.13). I had simmilar problems and added samba-libs to my ignore list in yum.conf file for the sogo server (where I do not need samba). My solution was to simply uninstall sssd (and then samba-libs). If you don't use Samba or LDAP at all, then you don't need sssd either. Kai-Uwe Rommel kai-uwe.rom...@ars.de Telefon+Mobil +49 89 32468-120 ARS Computer und Consulting GmbH, http://www.ars.de Ridlerstrasse 55, 80339 Muenchen, Deutschland Application Development Services, Business Transformation Services, IT Infrastruktur Services Beratung und Vertrieb zu IBM Software, System x, POWER Systems, Storage License Management Services, IBM Passport Advantage Lizenzierung Handelsregister Muenchen, HRB 101829, USt-ID: DE 155 068 909 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Michael Arbesmeier, Kai-Uwe Rommel, Roland Schock, Joachim Gucker -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] An other ActiveSync configuration topic
On 21/01/2015 18:38, Schifano Alexandre wrote: Maybe should I provide more details. As I said, I tried to add the ActiveSync support to my SOGo setup. So I installed sogo-activesync and in my Apache configuration I uncommented ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=60 connectiontimeout=5 timeout=360. I did't change the ActiveSync SOGo configuration, I put just more workers. Next I tried to connect my Nokia E6 (with Nokia Bell) to SOGo by ActiveSync. After having configured it, when I try to do a synchronization, I have an error (which tells me Error of the Exchange server. Retry later.). On my server, in the logs, I can read : 2015-01-21 23:57:05.595 sogod[21352] -[WEClientCapabilities initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='NokiaE600/1.00(0)ActiveSync 3gpp-gba' 2015-01-21 23:57:05.603 sogod[21352] Sleeping 15 seconds while detecting changes... 2015-01-21 23:57:20.606 sogod[21352] Sleeping 15 seconds while detecting changes... 127.0.0.1 - - [21/Jan/2015:23:57:35 GMT] POST /SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync?User=usernameDeviceId=IMEIIMEIDeviceType=NokiaEmailCmd=Sync HTTP/1.1 200 0/82 30.015 - - 0 What did I forget ? Is Samba, MAPI, or anything else required ? No but perhaps the device doesn't like the way the response from SOGo is structured. Take a capture on port 20 000 from your SOGo server when that happens and send it over privately. On an other hand, I also wanted to install Funambol for having SyncMl. However, I wasn't able to find the SOGo connector for this, and I didn't find any official documentation about it. Is SyncML with Funambol still supported ? Thank god no! -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.2.14
Am 21.01.2015 um 20:28 schrieb Kai-Uwe Rommel: users-requ...@sogo.nu wrote on 21.01.2015 18:49:03: Am 20.01.2015 um 21:04 schrieb Ludovic Marcotte: On 20/01/2015 15:01, J. Echter wrote: Samba 4 comes in as a dependency with SOGo It does not. The sogo package doesn't. The sogo-activesync package doesn't. The sogo-openchange package does. That is right, but sogo repo has samba-libs for samba version 4 which obsoletes CentOS 6 own samba4-libs and this will bring some dependency problems (sogo repo uses libldb 1.1.17 for samba-libs but sssd needs samba4-libs and this requires libldb 1.1.13). I had simmilar problems and added samba-libs to my ignore list in yum.conf file for the sogo server (where I do not need samba). My solution was to simply uninstall sssd (and then samba-libs). If you don't use Samba or LDAP at all, then you don't need sssd either. I do need ldap (I use an IPA server) so that is not an option. But I can live with my exclude list. Regards Martin Kai-Uwe Rommel kai-uwe.rom...@ars.de Telefon+Mobil +49 89 32468-120 ARS Computer und Consulting GmbH, http://www.ars.de http://www.ars.de/ Ridlerstrasse 55, 80339 Muenchen, Deutschland Application Development Services, Business Transformation Services, IT Infrastruktur Services Beratung und Vertrieb zu IBM Software, System x, POWER Systems, Storage License Management Services, IBM Passport Advantage Lizenzierung Handelsregister Muenchen, HRB 101829, USt-ID: DE 155 068 909 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Michael Arbesmeier, Kai-Uwe Rommel, Roland Schock, Joachim Gucker -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.2.14
Am 21.01.2015 um 20:28 schrieb Kai-Uwe Rommel: users-requ...@sogo.nu wrote on 21.01.2015 18:49:03: Am 20.01.2015 um 21:04 schrieb Ludovic Marcotte: On 20/01/2015 15:01, J. Echter wrote: Samba 4 comes in as a dependency with SOGo It does not. The sogo package doesn't. The sogo-activesync package doesn't. The sogo-openchange package does. That is right, but sogo repo has samba-libs for samba version 4 which obsoletes CentOS 6 own samba4-libs and this will bring some dependency problems (sogo repo uses libldb 1.1.17 for samba-libs but sssd needs samba4-libs and this requires libldb 1.1.13). I had simmilar problems and added samba-libs to my ignore list in yum.conf file for the sogo server (where I do not need samba). My solution was to simply uninstall sssd (and then samba-libs). If you don't use Samba or LDAP at all, then you don't need sssd either. Kai-Uwe Rommel kai-uwe.rom...@ars.de Telefon+Mobil +49 89 32468-120 ARS Computer und Consulting GmbH, http://www.ars.de http://www.ars.de/ Ridlerstrasse 55, 80339 Muenchen, Deutschland Application Development Services, Business Transformation Services, IT Infrastruktur Services Beratung und Vertrieb zu IBM Software, System x, POWER Systems, Storage License Management Services, IBM Passport Advantage Lizenzierung Handelsregister Muenchen, HRB 101829, USt-ID: DE 155 068 909 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Michael Arbesmeier, Kai-Uwe Rommel, Roland Schock, Joachim Gucker I need ldap and rely on it, that's why i asked. :) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] An other ActiveSync configuration topic
Maybe should I provide more details. As I said, I tried to add the ActiveSync support to my SOGo setup. So I installed sogo-activesync and in my Apache configuration I uncommented ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync retry=60 connectiontimeout=5 timeout=360. I did't change the ActiveSync SOGo configuration, I put just more workers. Next I tried to connect my Nokia E6 (with Nokia Bell) to SOGo by ActiveSync. After having configured it, when I try to do a synchronization, I have an error (which tells me Error of the Exchange server. Retry later.). On my server, in the logs, I can read : 2015-01-21 23:57:05.595 sogod[21352] -[WEClientCapabilities initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='NokiaE600/1.00(0)ActiveSync 3gpp-gba' 2015-01-21 23:57:05.603 sogod[21352] Sleeping 15 seconds while detecting changes... 2015-01-21 23:57:20.606 sogod[21352] Sleeping 15 seconds while detecting changes... 127.0.0.1 - - [21/Jan/2015:23:57:35 GMT] POST /SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync?User=usernameDeviceId=IMEIIMEIDeviceType=NokiaEmailCmd=Sync HTTP/1.1 200 0/82 30.015 - - 0 What did I forget ? Is Samba, MAPI, or anything else required ? On an other hand, I also wanted to install Funambol for having SyncMl. However, I wasn't able to find the SOGo connector for this, and I didn't find any official documentation about it. Is SyncML with Funambol still supported ? Best Regards Alexandre Schifano On 19/01/2015 15:38, Alexandre Schifano wrote: Hi guys, I try to install ActiveSync on my server. As far as I understand, I only need to install sogo-activesync, to add/uncomment the good Apache proxy configuration, and to restart Apache and Sogo. I made a test with the Microsoft tool, where I had the known error/bug about the authentication step, and I also tried with my Nokia E6, without success. With my smartphone, I can read in the SOGo logs : IP address - - [timestamp] POST /SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync?User=usernameDeviceId=IMEIsome numbersDeviceType=NokiaEmailCmd=Sync HTTP/1.1 200 0/82 30.020 - - 0 So I think that the 200 code means that the request what correct, but what does 0/82, 30.020 and the last number mean ? And my phone is not synchronised, I only have a popup with an error message, without explainations, so, what did I miss ? BR Alexandre Schifano -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] BTS activities for Wednesday, January 21 2015
Title: BTS activities for Wednesday, January 21 2015 BTS Activities Home page: http://www.sogo.nu/bugs Project: SOGo For the period covering: Wednesday, January 21 2015 idlast updatestatus (resolution)categorysummary 3070 2015-01-21 07:44:57 updated (open) Web Calendar Calendar Problem: "Print view" with layout "daily" 3000 2015-01-21 11:29:24 updated (open) Web Mail Wrong attachment name displayed in webmail - extra space inserted 2570 2015-01-21 08:35:37 updated (open) with external server Multiple emails not synchronized 3063 2015-01-21 16:46:41 updated (open) with SOGo Timestamps in used in sogo.log 3067 2015-01-21 16:46:06 resolved (suspended) ActiveSync Moving mail from INBOX to other folder in Thunderbird/webmail does not synchronize to Outlook 2013 1941 2015-01-21 10:03:14 resolved (fixed) Backend Calendar Set individual reminders 13 2015-01-21 10:03:37 resolved (fixed) Web Calendar Attendees can't set an alarm on an invitation
Re: [SOGo] sogo-integrator
Hello, yes, it is ssl and an unsigned cert. By installing manually the modules, TB 31.4 asked for the cert, so now it has it. Next we uninstalled all and tried to reinstall by integrator 31.0.1 : that don't work better, after the first restart, no modules are installed and TB don't restart automatically. And it worked on my TB 31.3 (it had the cert added by the previous install, same server). Le 20/01/2015 19:29, J. Echter a écrit : Am 20.01.2015 um 17:33 schrieb fso...@systea.net: I add on thing : we tried to install manually each module on TB 31.4. All seems to be installed, but the address books are not sync and there is no button synchronize in the contact window, like on my TB 31.3. ssl or plain? if ssl and an unsigned cert, add it manually to thunderbird -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] Activesync socket shutdown
Hi, I try to sync an iOS device and the log shows: (X-GUID aecda51f656dbe50x0x7fb41e22d548[WOHttpTransaction] client disconnected during delivery of response for WORequest[0x0x7fb41e2a4e08]: method=POST uri=/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync? User=u...@domain.comDeviceId=NPKT7PLS6D6GJ123SSF456789KSDeviceType=iPadCmd=Ping app=SOGo rqKey=Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync rqPath=(null) (len=13): the socket was shutdown This makes the iPad hang in a sync loop. What could be the reason for the socket shutdown? -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Sogo
Thanks for the Docs. This implies PostGRE SQL is mandatory? Or is this just for Archlinux and this particular tutorial? From: users-requ...@sogo.nu on behalf of jacek burghardt Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:06 PM To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Sogo Well I am running arch linux and I had followed this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenChange_Server. I am using samba 4.14 as a domain controller. Well you need to setup both databases -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Sogo
On 21/01/2015 06:26, Dave wrote: Thanks for the Docs. This implies PostGRE SQL is mandatory? Or is this just for Archlinux and this particular tutorial? PostgreSQL isn't mandatory in SOGo. One can use MySQL, PostgreSQL or Oracle. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] sogo-integrator
On 21/01/2015 03:31, Frank Soyer wrote: yes, it is ssl and an unsigned cert. By installing manually the modules, TB 31.4 asked for the cert, so now it has it. Next we uninstalled all and tried to reinstall by integrator 31.0.1 : that don't work better, after the first restart, no modules are installed and TB don't restart automatically. And it worked on my TB 31.3 (it had the cert added by the previous install, same server). Do you see any errors in the Thunderbird error console after a restart? -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Activesync socket shutdown
I am using nginx with these Settings:
location ^~ /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync {
client_max_body_size 10m;
client_body_buffer_size 4k;
proxy_connect_timeout 90;
proxy_send_timeout 90;
proxy_read_timeout 90;
proxy_buffers 4 32k;
proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync;
proxy_redirect http://127.0.0.1:2/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync /;
}
Am 21.01.2015 um 13:40 schrieb Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca:
On 21/01/2015 01:51, lis...@outlook.de wrote:
This makes the iPad hang in a sync loop. What could be the reason for the
socket shutdown?
That normally happens (the message you pasted) if the client (iPad) or Apache
closes the connection to SOGo before it's able to deliver its response. What
are you Apache settings for EAS?
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Re: [SOGo] ERROR MySQL4Channel - TB 31.4 / Lightning 3.3.2 / SOGo 2.2.13
No way, problem is not solved. Downgrading to 3.3.1 works . Il 19/01/15 23:03, Manfred ha scritto: Right klick on the calendar and a 'Reset Calendar Cache' worked on my lightning 3.3.2, also additional calendars are synced again - Try it :-) Am 19.01.2015 um 12:29 schrieb Davide Bozzelli: -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] TB 34 - coresponding SoGo Connector version existing
On 1/21/2015 8:59 AM, christian_ja...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, by when will a Connector version for TB 34 be available? SOGo only supports RELEASE versions of Thunderbird - so, for now, it is 31... -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] 'Reset Calendar Cache' doesn't work
No one? On 1/20/2015 7:39 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Hello all, I have noticed a problem where a users Calendars stop syncing. They 'seem' to be working - ie, you can see old events etc, but new ones don't show up, and changes made by others don't show up. Normally I would reset the calendar cache, but in these new instances, right-clicking on a Calendar and clicking 'Reset Calendar Cache' doesn't seem to do anything. From the few times I've used it successfully in the past, it should cause Thunderbird to restart and - supposedly - reset the calendar cache. But for the 5th time now in the last month, I've tried to do this on one of our users PCs, and it just doesn't do anything, Thunderbird never restarts, etc, and when this happens I've had to recreate the users profile to fix it. Thunderbird 31.1 or 31.3 Lightning 3.3.1 Connector/Integrator 24.0.5 Anyone seen this before? -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] 'Reset Calendar Cache' doesn't work
On 21/01/2015 09:52, Charles Marcus wrote: No one? Do you see any errors in the Thunderbird error console you click on the option Reset Calendar Cache? Thunderbird should NOT restart anymore but the cache will be re-recreated (unless you have an error in your console). -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Activesync socket shutdown
On 21/01/2015 01:51, lis...@outlook.de wrote: This makes the iPad hang in a sync loop. What could be the reason for the socket shutdown? That normally happens (the message you pasted) if the client (iPad) or Apache closes the connection to SOGo before it's able to deliver its response. What are you Apache settings for EAS? -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] TB 34 - coresponding SoGo Connector version existing
Hi, by when will a Connector version for TB 34 be available? Thx -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] SOGo and CAS
Hi All, I'm new to SOGo. I try to install it on debian jessie. I want to authenticate users using CAS. I had inserted in the cas keystore the cert of the apache that is in front of SOGo. However, I have a cas error when I try to log in and the mailbox appears empty. The cas error : 2015-01-21 10:49:25,735 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.ticket.registry.DefaultTicketRegistry] - Ticket [TGT-1-bmLPtKJbhpV5hDBdjhKsrESdgsbxSu002oIQVDmBoSITqwnJbf-cas.mydomain.fr] found in registry. 2015-01-21 10:49:25,742 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.web.flow.CasFlowExecutionKeyFactory] - Removing flow execution '[Ended execution of 'login']' from repository 2015-01-21 10:49:25,742 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.web.flow.CasFlowExecutionKeyFactory] - Removing flow execution '[Ended execution of 'login']' from repository 2015-01-21 10:49:25,959 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.web.support.CasArgumentExtractor] - Extractor generated service for: https://webmail.mydomain.fr/SOGo/so/index 2015-01-21 10:49:25,962 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.authentication.handler.support.HttpBasedServiceCredentialsAuthenticationHandler] - Attempting to resolve credentials for [callbackUrl: https://webmail.mydomain.fr/SOGo/casProxy] 2015-01-21 10:49:26,261 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.util.HttpClient] - Response Code did not match any of the acceptable response codes. Code returned was 403 2015-01-21 10:49:26,262 INFO [org.jasig.cas.authentication.AuthenticationManagerImpl] - AuthenticationHandler: org.jasig.cas.authentication.handler.support.HttpBasedServiceCredentialsAuthenticationHandler failed to authenticate the user which provided the following credentials: [callbackUrl: https://webmail.mydomain.fr/SOGo/casProxy] 2015-01-21 10:49:26,263 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.ticket.registry.DefaultTicketRegistry] - Attempting to retrieve ticket [ST-1-hyppJtF9qvogghaPr9Yg-cas.mydomain.fr] 2015-01-21 10:49:26,263 DEBUG [org.jasig.cas.ticket.registry.DefaultTicketRegistry] - Ticket [ST-1-hyppJtF9qvogjhaZr9Yg-cas.mydomain.fr] found in registry. 2015-01-21 10:49:26,264 ERROR [org.jasig.cas.web.ServiceValidateController] - TicketException generating ticket for: [callbackUrl: https://webmail.mydomain.fr/SOGo/casProxy] org.jasig.cas.ticket.TicketCreationException: error.authentication.credentials.bad at org.jasig.cas.CentralAuthenticationServiceImpl.delegateTicketGrantingTicket_aroundBody6(CentralAuthenticationServiceImpl.java:300) at org.jasig.cas.CentralAuthenticationServiceImpl.delegateTicketGrantingTicket_aroundBody7$advice(CentralAuthenticationServiceImpl.java:44) at org.jasig.cas.CentralAuthenticationServiceImpl.delegateTicketGrantingTicket(CentralAuthenticationServiceImpl.java:1) [...] Please help ! what can I do or test ? thanks in advance Bruno Some points of my configuration : /etc/sogo/sogo.conf [...] SOGoAuthenticationType = cas; SOGoCASServiceURL = https://cas.mydomain.fr/cas;; WOWorkersCount = 10; [...] /etc/apache/conf-enabled/SOGo.conf [...] ProxyPass /SOGo/casProxy http://localhost/cgi-bin/cas-proxy-validate.py Proxy http://localhost/cgi-bin/cas-proxy-validate.py Order deny,allow Allow from all /Proxy ProxyPass /SOGo http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo retry=0 Proxy http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo RequestHeader set x-webobjects-server-port 443 RequestHeader set x-webobjects-server-name webmail.mydomain.fr RequestHeader set x-webobjects-server-url https://webmail.mydomain.fr; RequestHeader set x-webobjects-server-protocol HTTP/1.0 AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 Order allow,deny Allow from all /Proxy [...] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] 'Reset Calendar Cache' doesn't work
On 1/21/2015 9:57 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote: On 21/01/2015 09:52, Charles Marcus wrote: No one? Do you see any errors in the Thunderbird error console you click on the option Reset Calendar Cache? Thunderbird should NOT restart anymore but the cache will be re-recreated (unless you have an error in your console). Oh... was this (no more restarting Thunderbird) from a server or Integrator upgrade? If so, which versions no longer force a restart? We are still on SOGo 2.2.9a, and Connector/Integrator 24.0.5 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] 'Reset Calendar Cache' doesn't work
On 21/01/2015 10:11, Tanstaafl wrote: We are still on SOGo 2.2.9a, and Connector/Integrator 24.0.5 It was added in SOGo Connector 24.0.6. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
