Re: whitelist_from_rcvd not working

2008-04-08 Thread SM

Hi Victor,
At 22:02 08-04-2008, Victor Sudakov wrote:

I have the following rule in local.cf:
whitelist_from_rcvd [EMAIL PROTECTED] dtdm.tomsk.ru

Please help me figure out why the rule does not work. Below is a sample
message where I think the rule should work but actually does not.


[snip]


Received: from mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]
by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.8)
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (single-drop); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 
15:08:02 +0700 (OMSST)

Received: from gw.dtdm.tomsk.ru ([213.183.100.11] verified)
  by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13)
  with ESMTPS id 9838562 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 
15:05:54 +0700


That rule does not match the host in the Received: header.  The host 
shows up as an IP address.


You could use:

whitelist_auth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

as the domain has SFP records.  Don't forget to enable the 
Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugins::SPF plugin if you use the above.


Regards,
-sm 



whitelist_from_rcvd not working

2008-04-08 Thread Victor Sudakov
Colleagues,

I have the following rule in local.cf:
whitelist_from_rcvd [EMAIL PROTECTED] dtdm.tomsk.ru

Please help me figure out why the rule does not work. Below is a sample
message where I think the rule should work but actually does not.
Perhaps someone with experience could run it through "spamassassin -D".


>From sudakov  Tue Apr  8 15:08:02 2008
X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.91.2 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on meow.tomsk.su
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MISSING_HEADERS,
MISSING_SUBJECT,TRACKER_ID,TVD_SPACE_RATIO autolearn=no version=3.2.4
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]
by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.8)
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (single-drop); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:08:02 +0700 
(OMSST)
Received: from gw.dtdm.tomsk.ru ([213.183.100.11] verified)
  by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.13)
  with ESMTPS id 9838562 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:05:54 +0700
Received-SPF: pass
 receiver=relay2.tomsk.ru; client-ip=213.183.100.11; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from root by gw.dtdm.tomsk.ru with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD))
(envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
id 1Jj8pm-00033X-KY
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:05:38 +0700
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:05:38 +0700
X-SpamProbe: GOOD 0.0003774 1cae503bd9d0b131eaddef3cb3f12c45
Status: RO
Content-Length: 37
Lines: 1

93202240-0542-11dd-9f2c-00016cd36bbf




Thanks in advance for any input.

I am using SpamAssassin-3.2.4_2 from the FreeBSD ports collection,
perl-5.8.8, FreeBSD 6.2.

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Bored girls spams

2008-04-08 Thread Igor Chudov
A while ago I asked what was the scam about those "I am a boored
grrl, pleas write me". 

I have finally found the answer. 

http://ikillspammers.blogspot.com/

The answer is that they get men to talk to them and then start
concocting various stories about how they were beaten up, raped
anally, and so on, and beg for money. That's the business.

i


Re: Returned mail spam

2008-04-08 Thread McDonald, Dan

On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 12:36 -0700, ahgu wrote:
> They forged the header with my email addr as the return address. 
> When it get bounced back by a server, everything is valid. Since the server
> strip off most of the content, it can pass the spamassassin very easily. I
> wonder if anyone got this problem?

Of course, it is very common.

SPF does a reasonable job of stopping it, since it is not worth the
spammer's time to forge when a good portion will be ditched as violating
spf.

the vbounce plugin is also useful for identifying the bad bounces and
discarding them.

Amavisd-new 2.6 has a new pen-pals feature that checks all DSN's
received to see if there is a corresponding outbound e-mail.  That would
virtually eliminate your receipt of spoofed bounces.

The other solution is to convince every computer owner in the world to
replace their infected BOTs with a clean machine and stable OS, and to
maintain it properly.  That one has considerably higher time investments
needed.

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Re: Returned mail spam

2008-04-08 Thread ahgu

They forged the header with my email addr as the return address. 
When it get bounced back by a server, everything is valid. Since the server
strip off most of the content, it can pass the spamassassin very easily. I
wonder if anyone got this problem?




Benny Pedersen wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, April 8, 2008 21:10, ahgu wrote:
> 
>> Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:
>>
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Message will be retried for 2 more day(s)
> 
> what mta have 2 days of notifying  as default ?
> 
> solutiion is more to stop notifying :-)
> 
> its imho not a spam problem, just a notifying
> 
> 
> Benny Pedersen
> Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Returned mail spam

2008-04-08 Thread Benny Pedersen

On Tue, April 8, 2008 21:10, ahgu wrote:

> Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:
>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Message will be retried for 2 more day(s)

what mta have 2 days of notifying  as default ?

solutiion is more to stop notifying :-)

its imho not a spam problem, just a notifying


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Re: Returned mail spam

2008-04-08 Thread Benny Pedersen

On Tue, April 8, 2008 21:04, Evan Platt wrote:
> SPF is a good start...
> http://spf.pobox.com/

moved to http://openspf.org/


Benny Pedersen
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Re: Returned mail spam

2008-04-08 Thread ahgu

Another email:

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Re: Returned mail spam

2008-04-08 Thread Evan Platt

SPF is a good start...
http://spf.pobox.com/

Do you actually have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] account? If not, don't 
accept mail for invalid e-mail addresses.


ahgu wrote:

somebody is using my email as the bounce-back return email.
How do I avoid the problem?

thanks
Andrew

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Returned mail spam

2008-04-08 Thread ahgu

somebody is using my email as the bounce-back return email. 
How do I avoid the problem?

thanks
Andrew

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Re: SA 3.2.4 speedup

2008-04-08 Thread jp
> >Aha. Well, since network rules are run in parallel, I don't think turning
> >off some of them will help you much. And what I say is still valid, even if
> >it applies only in some cases :)
> 
> I see your point, problem is the new SA is taking a much larger load, 
> and catching less spam. I am getting complaints from clients. So now I 
> am hesitant to remove any rules.
> 
> I wanted to check the Wiki to refresh my SA performance knowledge, but 
> it is down today 8^(

If you need to run more spamds in parrallel because of network tests 
delays, increase the amount of RAM you have and the number of spamd 
processes. 

> Dave

> >>Which was why I asked. I read through the rules to see what was doing a 
> >>lookup and where it looked up the URI. I do not want to check sorbs or 
> >>spamhaus, we do that at the MTA. I do not what to lookup anything via 
> >>spamcop, njabl, or bl.whois.
> >
> >I think that should not cause any problems to you. We use blacklist at MTA 
> >level too, and SA still hits some of them (of those
> >same lists!). SA just may check different IPs.

We blacklist some stuff at the MTA too, but figure it's probably cached 
in our nameserver if it has to check it again, so no big penalty. We 
have our own rsync feed to some of those services, so it would 
definitely be a local network check.

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Re: SA 3.2.4 speedup

2008-04-08 Thread DAve

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

On 08.04.08 10:52, DAve wrote:
We recently upgraded to SA 3.2.4 and are experiencing much slower 
processing. After watching my rule hits for a few days I would like to 
remove some rules (set score to 0) to gain back some speed.


Ami I correct in believing that the below rules will not be run and no 
lookup will be made if skip_rbl_checks is set to 1? Looking at my 
dnscache I think this is true.



Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

if you want to turn those off, simply disable network rules. Many rules
have different scores when used with network and without it, and simply
disabling network rules would increase FN (maybe even FP) rate for you.


On 08.04.08 11:34, DAve wrote:
But I want some network rules, some of the URIBL tests are my golden 
bullets, by far the most effective rules we run. Your spam may vary of 
course.


Aha. Well, since network rules are run in parallel, I don't think turning
off some of them will help you much. And what I say is still valid, even if
it applies only in some cases :)


I see your point, problem is the new SA is taking a much larger load, 
and catching less spam. I am getting complaints from clients. So now I 
am hesitant to remove any rules.


I wanted to check the Wiki to refresh my SA performance knowledge, but 
it is down today 8^(


Dave




However, if you can afford it, do run those tests. They are much effective
than most of static rules in SA. They don't take much CPU time, just some
network traffic and a few seconds more. And they increase efficiency very
much


... and I still say this ;)

I would also like to not run the following rules, they hit, but in less 
than 1% of my spam do they make any difference. The lookups are not 
worth it, at least not for our mail, not today. That all may change. I 
am assuming I will need to set each one to zero to stop any lookups?



those were network too.


Which was why I asked. I read through the rules to see what was doing a 
lookup and where it looked up the URI. I do not want to check sorbs or 
spamhaus, we do that at the MTA. I do not what to lookup anything via 
spamcop, njabl, or bl.whois.


I think that should not cause any problems to you. We use blacklist at MTA 
level too, and SA still hits some of them (of those
same lists!). SA just may check different IPs.




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Botnet plugin?

2008-04-08 Thread Yves Goergen

Hi,

what's the current status of the Botnet plugin for SpamAssassin? I used 
it in my old SA 3.1.8 and think it was doing a good job. I heard that it 
should be part of SA now, but I couldn't find it by grepping the default 
rule files. Nor did I find it at SARE or elsewhere on the web. All I see 
is that web folder with the tarballs, latest from Nov 2007 or so.


How can I enable it in SA 3.2.4? Do I still need to get that 3rd party 
file and install it? Is there a status/news website anywhere?


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Re: SA 3.2.4 speedup

2008-04-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> >On 08.04.08 10:52, DAve wrote:
> >>We recently upgraded to SA 3.2.4 and are experiencing much slower 
> >>processing. After watching my rule hits for a few days I would like to 
> >>remove some rules (set score to 0) to gain back some speed.
> >>
> >>Ami I correct in believing that the below rules will not be run and no 
> >>lookup will be made if skip_rbl_checks is set to 1? Looking at my 
> >>dnscache I think this is true.

> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> >if you want to turn those off, simply disable network rules. Many rules
> >have different scores when used with network and without it, and simply
> >disabling network rules would increase FN (maybe even FP) rate for you.

On 08.04.08 11:34, DAve wrote:
> But I want some network rules, some of the URIBL tests are my golden 
> bullets, by far the most effective rules we run. Your spam may vary of 
> course.

Aha. Well, since network rules are run in parallel, I don't think turning
off some of them will help you much. And what I say is still valid, even if
it applies only in some cases :)

> >However, if you can afford it, do run those tests. They are much effective
> >than most of static rules in SA. They don't take much CPU time, just some
> >network traffic and a few seconds more. And they increase efficiency very
> >much

... and I still say this ;)

> >>I would also like to not run the following rules, they hit, but in less 
> >>than 1% of my spam do they make any difference. The lookups are not 
> >>worth it, at least not for our mail, not today. That all may change. I 
> >>am assuming I will need to set each one to zero to stop any lookups?

> >those were network too.

> Which was why I asked. I read through the rules to see what was doing a 
> lookup and where it looked up the URI. I do not want to check sorbs or 
> spamhaus, we do that at the MTA. I do not what to lookup anything via 
> spamcop, njabl, or bl.whois.

I think that should not cause any problems to you. We use blacklist at MTA 
level too, and SA still hits some of them (of those
same lists!). SA just may check different IPs.

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Re: http://www.nk.ca/blog/

2008-04-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:32:05PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > On 08.04.08 07:43, The Doctor wrote:
> > > http://www.nk.ca/blog/ .
> > > 
> > > In that blog, there is a section for Spam and Phish for your reasearch.
> > 
> > whose research?

On 08.04.08 09:50, The Doctor wrote:
> Anyone doing anti-spam research.

please stop thread hijacking then. It you're writing new post, send it as
new mail and not as a reply to other mail. I am not doing antispam research,
plest don't answer my mails as if I were...

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Re: http://www.nk.ca/blog/

2008-04-08 Thread The Doctor
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:32:05PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> On 08.04.08 07:43, The Doctor wrote:
> > http://www.nk.ca/blog/ .
> > 
> > In that blog, there is a section for Spam and Phish for your reasearch.
> 
> whose research?
>

Anyone doing anti-spam research.
 
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Re: SA 3.2.4 speedup

2008-04-08 Thread DAve

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

On 08.04.08 10:52, DAve wrote:
We recently upgraded to SA 3.2.4 and are experiencing much slower 
processing. After watching my rule hits for a few days I would like to 
remove some rules (set score to 0) to gain back some speed.


Ami I correct in believing that the below rules will not be run and no 
lookup will be made if skip_rbl_checks is set to 1? Looking at my 
dnscache I think this is true.


if you want to turn those off, simply disable network rules. Many rules have
different scores when used with network and without it, and simply disabling
network rules would increase FN (maybe even FP) rate for you.


But I want some network rules, some of the URIBL tests are my golden 
bullets, by far the most effective rules we run. Your spam may vary of 
course.




However, if you can afford it, do run those tests. They are much effective
than most of static rules in SA. They don't take much CPU time, just some
network traffic and a few seconds more. And they increase efficiency very
much

I would also like to not run the following rules, they hit, but in less 
than 1% of my spam do they make any difference. The lookups are not 
worth it, at least not for our mail, not today. That all may change. I 
am assuming I will need to set each one to zero to stop any lookups?


those were network too.



Which was why I asked. I read through the rules to see what was doing a 
lookup and where it looked up the URI. I do not want to check sorbs or 
spamhaus, we do that at the MTA. I do not what to lookup anything via 
spamcop, njabl, or bl.whois.


Thanks,

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Help with these errors

2008-04-08 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
All,

I posted a question regarding SpamAssasssin errors which MailScanner --lint 
seemed to detect.  It was suggested to me that this is an SA issue so, with 
your indulgence, I'd like to ask here.

I'm now running mailscanner-4.68.8-1 on a CentOS 3 box, along with 
spamassassin-3.2.4-1.el3.rf from the Dag repository.  When I run MailScanner 
--lint, I get the following:

Checking for SpamAssassin errors (if you use it)...
SpamAssassin temporary working directory 
is /var/spool/MailScanner/incoming/SpamAssassin-Temp
SpamAssassin temp dir = /var/spool/MailScanner/incoming/SpamAssassin-Temp
Using SpamAssassin results cache
Connected to SpamAssassin cache database
Use of uninitialized value in addition (+) 
at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 371.
plugin: eval failed: Can't locate object method "log_lookups_timing" via 
package "Mail::SpamAssassin::AsyncLoop" 
at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 381.
SpamAssassin reported no errors.

spamassassin -D --lint returns no errors.

My mail system seems to work fine, but I'd like to know what these errors mean, 
and to eliminate them if possible.

Thanks.

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Re: SA 3.2.4 speedup

2008-04-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 08.04.08 10:52, DAve wrote:
> We recently upgraded to SA 3.2.4 and are experiencing much slower 
> processing. After watching my rule hits for a few days I would like to 
> remove some rules (set score to 0) to gain back some speed.
> 
> Ami I correct in believing that the below rules will not be run and no 
> lookup will be made if skip_rbl_checks is set to 1? Looking at my 
> dnscache I think this is true.

if you want to turn those off, simply disable network rules. Many rules have
different scores when used with network and without it, and simply disabling
network rules would increase FN (maybe even FP) rate for you.

However, if you can afford it, do run those tests. They are much effective
than most of static rules in SA. They don't take much CPU time, just some
network traffic and a few seconds more. And they increase efficiency very
much

> I would also like to not run the following rules, they hit, but in less 
> than 1% of my spam do they make any difference. The lookups are not 
> worth it, at least not for our mail, not today. That all may change. I 
> am assuming I will need to set each one to zero to stop any lookups?

those were network too.

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SA 3.2.4 speedup

2008-04-08 Thread DAve

Good morning,

We recently upgraded to SA 3.2.4 and are experiencing much slower 
processing. After watching my rule hits for a few days I would like to 
remove some rules (set score to 0) to gain back some speed.


Ami I correct in believing that the below rules will not be run and no 
lookup will be made if skip_rbl_checks is set to 1? Looking at my 
dnscache I think this is true.


 RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY
 RCVD_IN_NJABL_SPAM
 RCVD_IN_NJABL_MULTI
 RCVD_IN_NJABL_CGI
 RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SMTP
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_BLOCK
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_ZOMBIE
 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL
 RCVD_IN_SBL
 RCVD_IN_XBL
 RCVD_IN_PBL
 DNS_FROM_RFC_DSN
 DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX
 RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS
 RCVD_IN_WHOIS_HIJACKED
 RCVD_IN_WHOIS_INVALID
 RCVD_IN_DSBL
 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL
 DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE
 RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET
 RCVD_IN_MAPS_RBL
 RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL
 RCVD_IN_MAPS_RSS
 RCVD_IN_MAPS_NML
 RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED
 RCVD_IN_BSP_OTHER
 RCVD_IN_IADB_VOUCHED
 HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI
 HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI
 HABEAS_CHECKED
 SPF_PASS
 SPF_NEUTRAL
 SPF_FAIL
 SPF_SOFTFAIL
 SPF_HELO_PASS
 SPF_HELO_NEUTRAL
 SPF_HELO_FAIL
 SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL
 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI
 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW
 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED
 RCVD_IN_DOB
 RCVD_IN_IADB_DK
 RCVD_IN_IADB_DOPTIN
 RCVD_IN_IADB_DOPTIN_GT50
 RCVD_IN_IADB_DOPTIN_LT50
 RCVD_IN_IADB_EDDB
 RCVD_IN_IADB_EPIA
 RCVD_IN_IADB_GOODMAIL
 RCVD_IN_IADB_LISTED
 RCVD_IN_IADB_LOOSE
 RCVD_IN_IADB_MI_CPEAR
 RCVD_IN_IADB_MI_CPR_30
 RCVD_IN_IADB_MI_CPR_MAT
 RCVD_IN_IADB_ML_DOPTIN
 RCVD_IN_IADB_NOCONTROL
 RCVD_IN_IADB_OOO
 RCVD_IN_IADB_OPTIN
 RCVD_IN_IADB_OPTIN_GT50
 RCVD_IN_IADB_OPTIN_LT50
 RCVD_IN_IADB_OPTOUTONLY
 RCVD_IN_IADB_RDNS
 RCVD_IN_IADB_SENDERID
 RCVD_IN_IADB_SPF
 RCVD_IN_IADB_UNVERIFIED_1
 RCVD_IN_IADB_UNVERIFIED_2
 RCVD_IN_IADB_UT_CPEAR
 RCVD_IN_IADB_UT_CPR_30
 RCVD_IN_IADB_UT_CPR_MAT

I would also like to not run the following rules, they hit, but in less 
than 1% of my spam do they make any difference. The lookups are not 
worth it, at least not for our mail, not today. That all may change. I 
am assuming I will need to set each one to zero to stop any lookups?


 URIBL_SBL
 URIBL_COMPLETEWHOIS
 URIBL_RHS_ABUSE
 URIBL_RHS_AHBL
 URIBL_RHS_BOGUSMX
 URIBL_RHS_DOB
 URIBL_RHS_DSN
 URIBL_RHS_POST
 URIBL_RHS_TLD_WHOIS
 URIBL_RHS_WHOIS
 WHOIS_1AND1PR
 WHOIS_AITPRIV
 WHOIS_CONTACTPRIV
 WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY
 WHOIS_DOMESCROW
 WHOIS_DOMPRIVCORP
 WHOIS_DREAMPRIV
 WHOIS_DROA
 WHOIS_DYNADOT
 WHOIS_FINEXE
 WHOIS_GKGPROXY
 WHOIS_IDSHIELD
 WHOIS_IDTHEFTPROT
 WHOIS_KATZ
 WHOIS_LISTINGAG
 WHOIS_LNOA
 WHOIS_MAPNAME
 WHOIS_MONIKER_PRIV
 WHOIS_MYPRIVREG
 WHOIS_NAMEKING
 WHOIS_NAMESECURE
 WHOIS_NETID
 WHOIS_NETSOLPR
 WHOIS_NOLDC
 WHOIS_NOMINET
 WHOIS_PRIVACYPOST
 WHOIS_PRIVDOMAIN
 WHOIS_PRIVPROT
 WHOIS_REGISTER4LESS
 WHOIS_REGISTERFLY
 WHOIS_REGTEK
 WHOIS_SAFENAMES
 WHOIS_SECINFOSERV
 WHOIS_SECUREWHOIS
 WHOIS_SPAMFREE
 WHOIS_SRSPLUS
 WHOIS_UNLISTED
 WHOIS_WHOISGUARD
 WHOIS_WHOISPROT

Thanks,

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Re: http://www.nk.ca/blog/

2008-04-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 08.04.08 07:43, The Doctor wrote:
> http://www.nk.ca/blog/ .
> 
> In that blog, there is a section for Spam and Phish for your reasearch.

whose research?

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Re: SA-UPDATE How often new updates?

2008-04-08 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:05:55AM +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> /usr/share/spamassassin < this dir is maintained by some package managers
> /var/lib/spamassassin is entirely done by spamassassin :-)
> 
> i belive it was the real reason not to overwrite files

The slightly longer version:

- originally, sa-update was going to store stuff in /etc/mail/spamassassin (or
  whatever your site rules dir is), in much the same setup as now.  and the
  updates were going to be just that -- updates to the current rule set,
  scores, new rules, etc, but the standard rules would still be used.

- certain folks had issues with something downloading updates to /etc, because
  via the LSB, etc, that kind of stuff goes in /var.

- somewhere in there, it got decided that instead of just updates we should
  allow distribution of the entire rule set.  this allows for people to be
  able to be more flexible with their installations, but also means that
  people need to understand "updates" are really an alternate ruleset (so get
  updates.spamassassin.org if you expect to keep those rules when adding a new
  channel).

So in the end, that's why /usr/share/spamassassin isn't used anymore -- people
have the ability to override the entire standard SA ruleset if they don't want
to use it, and that's why /var is used instead of /usr or /etc.

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http://www.nk.ca/blog/

2008-04-08 Thread The Doctor
http://www.nk.ca/blog/ .

In that blog, there is a section for Spam and Phish for your reasearch.

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Re: Low Scores on Bounce Backs

2008-04-08 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 12:33 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> Sorry for previous mail, I accidentally hit send...
> 
> > On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 23:25 -0400, Jeff Koch wrote:
> > > Thanks for the reply.  I thought the purpose of adding the
> > > 
> > > 'whitelist_bounce_relays mailserver_name.com'
> > > 
> > > in local.cf was so that SA could assign a higher score to bounces that 
> > > never originated at your own mailserver. Thereby identifying return 
> > > address 
> > > forgery.
> 
> On 07.04.08 12:17, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> > Actually quite the opposite. :)  Rather than increasing a score, it is
> > used to 'rescue' legitimate bounce messages. See the docs [1].
> 
> I don't think it's "opposite". I think he said the same as you - the
> whitelist_bounce_relays identify bounces originating on own mailserver,
> while the others, matching ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE indicate forgery.

Well, I stand to what I said.  *shrug*

> > Basically, it serves two purposes:  (a) Setting this option enables the
> > VBounce plugin, and  (b) it prevents legit bounces from being marked
> > with the ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE and friends rules.
> 
> does whitelist_bounce_relays really turn on VBounce? Does that mean that
> *BOUNCE* won't match when it's not set up?

Yes -- IIRC, no time to dig through the code again, today.

> > Of course, we can't stop you from assigning a custom, absurdly high
> > score to ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE to abuse the existing score based filtering.
> 
> I guess score e.g. 1 is not absurdly high. Especially not when he uses
> SPF/DKIM and his users send mail through his servers.

Please read the context again. Neither me nor the OP mentioned setting a
score like 1. Actually, this thread started, because the assigned 0.2
"doesn't help much" in crossing the spam threshold. Neither does a score
of 1.

VBounce detects backscatter. And it does so, even without the original
spam attached. It does detect backscatter with a score of 0 or less,
too. (Coincidentally, the backscatter I get just raised dramatically a
few days ago.)

VBounce is not intended to raise the score anyway. It's the sole
triggering of these rules and thus flagging. NOT marking as spam, as I
explained earlier. A score of -1 would do just the same. The only reason
to set a score at all is, so SA does not skip these tests, as it would
do with a neutral score of 0.


> > However, the purpose of this plugin and the low default score is to not
> > weigh in into classifying spam, but to provide a nice handler (see my
> > previous post) to identify bounces and treat them specially.
> 
> However, this plugin can be easily used to detect backscatter and it's
> probably what users will use it for.
 ^^
Exactly. *Detect* backscatter, not mark it as spam.

Moreover, it is an understatement to claim VBounce "can be easily used
to detect backscatter". That's its purpose. That is all it does.


Please see the most important part of the docs again, how VBounce is
intended and document to be used:

$ grep -A 2 procmail /usr/share/spamassassin/20_vbounce.cf

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Re: Low Scores on Bounce Backs

2008-04-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Sorry for previous mail, I accidentally hit send...

> On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 23:25 -0400, Jeff Koch wrote:
> > Thanks for the reply.  I thought the purpose of adding the
> > 
> > 'whitelist_bounce_relays mailserver_name.com'
> > 
> > in local.cf was so that SA could assign a higher score to bounces that 
> > never originated at your own mailserver. Thereby identifying return address 
> > forgery.

On 07.04.08 12:17, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> Actually quite the opposite. :)  Rather than increasing a score, it is
> used to 'rescue' legitimate bounce messages. See the docs [1].

I don't think it's "opposite". I think he said the same as you - the
whitelist_bounce_relays identify bounces originating on own mailserver,
while the others, matching ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE indicate forgery.

> Basically, it serves two purposes:  (a) Setting this option enables the
> VBounce plugin, and  (b) it prevents legit bounces from being marked
> with the ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE and friends rules.

does whitelist_bounce_relays really turn on VBounce? Does that mean that
*BOUNCE* won't match when it's not set up?

> Of course, we can't stop you from assigning a custom, absurdly high
> score to ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE to abuse the existing score based filtering.

I guess score e.g. 1 is not absurdly high. Especially not when he uses
SPF/DKIM and his users send mail through his servers.

> However, the purpose of this plugin and the low default score is to not
> weigh in into classifying spam, but to provide a nice handler (see my
> previous post) to identify bounces and treat them specially.

However, this plugin can be easily used to detect backscatter and it's
probably what users will use it for.

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Re: Low Scores on Bounce Backs

2008-04-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 07.04.08 12:17, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> From: Karsten Bräckelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:17:36 +0200
> Subject: Re: Low Scores on Bounce Backs
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> 
> On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 23:25 -0400, Jeff Koch wrote:
> > Thanks for the reply.  I thought the purpose of adding the
> > 
> > 'whitelist_bounce_relays mailserver_name.com'
> > 
> > in local.cf was so that SA could assign a higher score to bounces that 
> > never originated at your own mailserver. Thereby identifying return address 
> > forgery.
> 
> Actually quite the opposite. :)  Rather than increasing a score, it is
> used to 'rescue' legitimate bounce messages. See the docs [1].
> 
> Basically, it serves two purposes:  (a) Setting this option enables the
> VBounce plugin, and  (b) it prevents legit bounces from being marked
> with the ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE and friends rules.

> Of course, we can't stop you from assigning a custom, absurdly high
> score to ANY_BOUNCE_MESSAGE to abuse the existing score based filtering.

assign a score about 1 doesn't abuse the filtering :)

> However, the purpose of this plugin and the low default score is to not
> weigh in into classifying spam, but to provide a nice handler (see my
> previous post) to identify bounces and treat them specially.

bounces that contain original spam as mime attachment could
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Efficiency of Bayes filter SA vs. Thunderbird

2008-04-08 Thread Alex Woick
Almost all (>95%) of my spam is tagged as BAYES_99 by SA (which is 
great), but only  approx. 60% of my spam is classified as spam by my 
Thunderbird 2.0.0.12. Thunderbird also uses a a bayesian filtering 
system. I always learn all of my spam and all of my ham in both systems 
perhaps once a week, not only FP/FN.


I'm just curious: is there any explanation for this big difference? Why 
is the SA implementation that much better? One year ago Thunderbird 
scored much better than nowadays, while SA is still at maximum efficiency.


Tschau
Alex


Re: SA-UPDATE How often new updates?

2008-04-08 Thread Benny Pedersen

On Tue, March 25, 2008 15:27, Patrick Sherrill wrote:
> Is there any reason not to put the updates in /usr/share/spamassassin using
> sa-update with the --updatedir parameter?

/usr/share/spamassassin < this dir is maintained by some package managers
/var/lib/spamassassin is entirely done by spamassassin :-)

i belive it was the real reason not to overwrite files


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