sneaky spams w/zipped URL file, easily caught by "Thread-Index"

2018-03-27 Thread Rob McEwen
Today, MUCH sneaky spams are being sent with an attached zipped 
malicious URL/shortcut file.


Most or all of these are easily caught by Thread-Index, as follows:

Thread-Index: AdBx5/5UsdSTxflQTPi+FyODmVaqhA==

Perhaps someone can make a rule for this and post it here?

I already set this in another non-SA part of my anti-spam system, but 
the rule might help others here. There are also other attributes that 
could become an SA rule that would cause a hit even if the Thread-Index 
changed, but that will require a little bit more effort.


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Rob McEwen
https://www.invaluement.com




Re: sneaky spams w/zipped URL file, easily caught by "Thread-Index"

2018-03-27 Thread Pedro David Marco
 Thanks Rob, can you pastebin a sample??

PedroD
  

Re: sneaky spams w/zipped URL file, easily caught by "Thread-Index"

2018-03-27 Thread David Jones

On 03/27/2018 08:24 AM, Pedro David Marco wrote:

Thanks Rob, can you pastebin a sample??



PedroD



Looks like ClamAV UNOFFICIAL sigs are detecting this:

Clamd: message was infected: Sanesecurity.Foxhole.Zip_url.UNOFFICIAL
Clamd: Purchase Order_4014053_27032018.zip was infected: 
Sanesecurity.Foxhole.Zip_url.UNOFFICIAL


https://pastebin.com/WwUbWCQY

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Lots of money, score of 0??

2018-03-27 Thread Robert Boyl
Guys,

Do you usually tune up Lots of money rule? Strange, our spamassassin/EFA
scores 0 and false negative. Imho it should score at least something, few
people would write Million dollars in an email, why not add up score?

LOTS_OF_MONEY 0.00

See https://pastebin.com/dY6iFeYL

Thanks!
Rob


Re: sneaky spams w/zipped URL file, easily caught by "Thread-Index"

2018-03-27 Thread Rob McEwen

On 3/27/2018 9:48 AM, David Jones wrote:

Looks like ClamAV UNOFFICIAL sigs are detecting this:
Clamd: message was infected: Sanesecurity.Foxhole.Zip_url.UNOFFICIAL 



David,

Excellent... except for one potential problem... this is in their 
"foxhole_all.cdb" file which they label as "high false positive risk" - 
which could scare some away!


For those who don't score very high on ClamAv and/or who are able to 
score DIFFERENTLY based on different types of Sanesecurity and/or ClamAv 
results, this is probably OK. But for others who prefer to either 
outright block or score high on ClamAv, that MIGHT present a problem. On 
the other hand, maybe Sanesecurity is just being overly cautious (or 
considering more theoretical FNs?), and such actual FPs in real world 
mail flow are actually extremely rare?


Any Thoughts? Anyone know?

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Rob McEwen
https://www.invaluement.com



Re: Lots of money, score of 0??

2018-03-27 Thread David Jones

On 03/27/2018 09:24 AM, Robert Boyl wrote:

Guys,

Do you usually tune up Lots of money rule? Strange, our spamassassin/EFA 
scores 0 and false negative. Imho it should score at least something, 
few people would write Million dollars in an email, why not add up score?


LOTS_OF_MONEY 0.00

See https://pastebin.com/dY6iFeYL

Thanks!
Rob



I score it about 2 points in my MailScanner instances with a block 
threshold of 6.0.  My local rules have a huge list of whitelist_auth 
entries to cover the trustworthy senders that might hit this and other 
"spammy" rules that aren't definite spam/poison pills.


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David Jones


Re: sneaky spams w/zipped URL file, easily caught by "Thread-Index"

2018-03-27 Thread David Jones

On 03/27/2018 09:37 AM, Rob McEwen wrote:

On 3/27/2018 9:48 AM, David Jones wrote:

Looks like ClamAV UNOFFICIAL sigs are detecting this:
Clamd: message was infected: Sanesecurity.Foxhole.Zip_url.UNOFFICIAL 



David,

Excellent... except for one potential problem... this is in their 
"foxhole_all.cdb" file which they label as "high false positive risk" - 
which could scare some away!


For those who don't score very high on ClamAv and/or who are able to 
score DIFFERENTLY based on different types of Sanesecurity and/or ClamAv 
results, this is probably OK. But for others who prefer to either 
outright block or score high on ClamAv, that MIGHT present a problem. On 
the other hand, maybe Sanesecurity is just being overly cautious (or 
considering more theoretical FNs?), and such actual FPs in real world 
mail flow are actually extremely rare?


Any Thoughts? Anyone know?



That's interesting because I probably wouldn't have started using 
foxhole_all.cdb if it had been classified like that then.  I am not 
getting any reports or finding any problems with FPs.


3,110,729 total messages* since March 15th
112,477 spam blocked
2,071 total viruses found
8 Foxhole viruses found

*After MTA rejects based on RBLs and other DNS checks

--
Dave Jones
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David Jones


Re: Lots of money, score of 0??

2018-03-27 Thread John Hardin

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, Robert Boyl wrote:


Do you usually tune up Lots of money rule? Strange, our spamassassin/EFA
scores 0 and false negative. Imho it should score at least something, few
people would write Million dollars in an email, why not add up score?

LOTS_OF_MONEY 0.00


It's not *intended* to score by itself, it's intended to be used in metas 
with other suspicious indicators. It's scored informative by itself just 
to give an indicator in the rule hits list that a mention of large sums of 
mney was present.


You are welcome to assign a score locally if you feel that way. I don't 
think it's justified in the default rules.


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Re: sneaky spams w/zipped URL file, easily caught by "Thread-Index"

2018-03-27 Thread Dave Wreski

Hi,

Excellent... except for one potential problem... this is in their 
"foxhole_all.cdb" file which they label as "high false positive risk" 
- which could scare some away!


For those who don't score very high on ClamAv and/or who are able to 
score DIFFERENTLY based on different types of Sanesecurity and/or 
ClamAv results, this is probably OK. But for others who prefer to 
either outright block or score high on ClamAv, that MIGHT present a 
problem. On the other hand, maybe Sanesecurity is just being overly 
cautious (or considering more theoretical FNs?), and such actual FPs 
in real world mail flow are actually extremely rare?


Any Thoughts? Anyone know?



That's interesting because I probably wouldn't have started using 
foxhole_all.cdb if it had been classified like that then.  I am not 
getting any reports or finding any problems with FPs.


foxhole_all is just a few dozen(?) lines of rules to tag file types 
within zip/rar/7z/arj/exe files.


Perhaps because you're outright rejecting many of these file types already?

Regards,
Dave



3,110,729 total messages* since March 15th
112,477 spam blocked
2,071 total viruses found
8 Foxhole viruses found

*After MTA rejects based on RBLs and other DNS checks

--
Dave Jones


Re: Lots of money, score of 0??

2018-03-27 Thread Bill Cole

On 27 Mar 2018, at 10:24, Robert Boyl wrote:


Guys,

Do you usually tune up Lots of money rule? Strange, our 
spamassassin/EFA
scores 0 and false negative. Imho it should score at least something, 
few

people would write Million dollars in an email, why not add up score?

LOTS_OF_MONEY 0.00

See https://pastebin.com/dY6iFeYL


I see a very large number of legitimate and definitely wanted messages 
hitting the LOTS_OF_MONEY rule. 849 in my own mail in the past year, 
excluding mail with quoted spam. This includes YOUR message asking about 
it.