Re: Question on early detection for relay spam

2020-03-02 Thread Benny Pedersen

Ted Mittelstaedt skrev den 2020-03-03 08:26:


What do other people do for this problem?


https://www.abusix.com/abusix-mail-intelligence

what more do you want to do ?

my own servers reject all clients not in danish ip space unless its sasl 
authed


strong leaked passwords does not help much

hope to see 2fa auth login to dovecot not only dovecot pro ox

as it is now we all have already loosed


Question on early detection for relay spam

2020-03-02 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

I know this is probably off topic but I'm getting desperate enough to ask.

I run a commercial mailserver that regularly seems to have spammers 
relay mail through it that have obtained stolen credentials for a user. 
 Many years ago I stopped allowing users to change passwords on it and 
I setup passwords for all users added to it, and the passwords are 
random strings of 8 characters or more.


The problem is of course that since the passwords are difficult to 
remember, once the users do remember them they merrily proceed to use

this "highly secure password that I can now remember" on every stupid
website out on the Internet that they care to login to.  The problem
isn't really the people using Thunderbird or Outlook or their cell 
phones or whatever, because they save the password in the email client 
and then immediately forget it, which is what I want.  It is the people 
who use the webmail interface on multiple different systems, kiosk

computers and the like, who are the problem.  When hosts out on the
Internet get busted into, the spammers get their passwords and
email addresses and start relaying.  I've confirmed this with several
users I've called and it's always the same story.

By the time I see what's going on the server is blacklisted everywhere
and I have to waste time delisting it, and asskissing all of the
little tiny blacklists run by little pricks who want me to pay money
or wait a month to be delisted, etc.  (no I'm NOT talking about
spamcop, or barracuda or anyone professional - THEY know what they are
doing and don't look at this as a chance for a shakedown)

I estimate that last year this happened around 5 times and I just
lost an afternoon today answering the passle of help requests from
users because it happened again.

What I am wondering is how to tighten up my monitoring on my servers to
more rapidly identify when this starts happening.  What I'm doing now is
a kludge but I run mailq  (this is a sendmail system) and when I see the
number of pending mail mesages in there exceed a threshold I send an 
alert to my cell.  It is a kludge and the problem is that

the mailq doesn't start filling up until my server gets blacklisted.

I've considered several ideas like running a script out of cron that
checks the number of authid's per hour but all of these seem like even
worse kludges.  The only idea that I have come up with that I really
like is taking an AK-47 to the spammers but unfortunately spammers
know that they are unloved and cowardly hide away in Russia and scummier
places and I can't reach 'em.  (maybe I could offer a bounty?  A nickle 
a head?  That would pay for the bullet at least.  I don't think those 
people are worth even that, though)


I do run a daily sendmail statistics report but by the time I read that
and see the bump in traffic it's too late.

What do other people do for this problem?

Ted


Re: From Spoofed

2020-03-02 Thread @lbutlr
On 02 Mar 2020, at 09:32, Robert A. Ober  wrote:
> On 2/26/20 9:54 AM, Bill Cole wrote:
>> 
>> Which puts you in the top 99.999th percentile of email server skills 
>> worldwide!

> Ha,  I hope that's wrong:-)

I’m sure it is, it’s more like 99.999%

Do we think there are 80,000 people in the world with decent email server 
skills? I don’t.

-- 
"Great art is as irrational as great music. It is mad with its own
loveliness." -  George Jean Nathan




Re: From Spoofed

2020-03-02 Thread Robert A. Ober

On 2/26/20 9:54 AM, Bill Cole wrote:

On 26 Feb 2020, at 10:16, Robert A. Ober wrote:

 don't participate because I'm just good enough to maintain my 
customers email servers,


Which puts you in the top 99.999th percentile of email server skills 
worldwide!



––

Ha,  I hope that's wrong:-)

BTW,  removing the line I had overlooked in the whitelist along with the 
rules did solve the issue.  Think I will remove the extremeshok stuff 
and see what happens.


Y'all take care,
Robert